How to choose between creation and evolution.

[AV1611VET]

Did you understand the article? It clearly says that resolution of a paradox takes one of three forms (none of which actually solve the paradox):
1. Impossibility, i.e. the paradoxical thing cannot exist.
2. Accept that it's just nonsense.
3. Ignore it.

Which one do you chose as resolution of God's omnipotence?

Let's simplify this and just call it a "question:"

Question: Can God make a rock so heavy He can't lift it?
Answer: Yes.

 

[SelfSim]

Question: Can God make a rock so heavy He can't lift it?
Answer: Yes.

... Such an elaborately supported explanation! Such eloquence, too!
Ahh believe!
Ahhm a believer now!!

 

[Kylie]

If you don't believe it he is likely not talking to you. God has to give you 'ears' to hear him.

Of course, one can say that about any deity, can't one?

 

[johneb]

Can God make a rock so heavy He can't lift it?
Answer: Yes.

If God made such a rock today how old would that rock be?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Its all quite amusing when one bothers to observe that its actually a mind doing the conceptualising all of: a deterministic world, free will and subjective experiences of decision making, in the first place!
Its all about a mind trying to rationalise how it itself, is capable of considering mutual exclusivity amongst these notions, even though that mind is obviously capable of conceiving a world where they all 'exist' and overlap simultaneously ... because that's actually exactly how that mind thinks!

No matter how hard we try, we cannot step outside of our own minds .. even by 'creating' omnipotent entities (using our subjective free will)!
Even referencing a objective scientific (QM) viewpoint, we have no idea where strict determinism breaks down .. so discussing what fundamental randomness does to these issues is pretty well irrelevant also.

True, but while acknowledging that, we all have lives to lead in societies built on and around reified mental constructs. I think the important thing is to recognise the benefits and problems with these intuitive and convenient fictions. Some, like free will, have an emotional dark side in society.

 

[driewerf]

I became a Christian first then some months later became a creationist, but I agonized over the two and tried to marry them together like a lot of people here do. It doesn't work. You cannot believe God's word is true as written and also believe in evolution. Before that I believed in the whole story of evolution, which has to be the greatest hoax ever perpetrated. Not that I expect you to understand as you are blind to the supernatural and it is as foolishness to you.

1 Corinthians 2:14
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
This verse is not an insult it is simply the plain truth. I said creation was foolishness myself some years before I became a Christian. I was never an atheist but more an agnostic.
As I have said here before, it's completely useless to argue with someone blind to the supernatural and to God because nothing can come out of it. Debating science about it is also foolishness because science only looks at the physical. Would science agree that a man can be born of a virgin, walk on water and raise again? No, they are oil and water. There is no physical evidence or back up for miracles, they are discerned only through the Spirit.

So your post

*waves*
Non-christian evolutionist of 25 years who became a Christian and then a creationist. Trust me we exist.

was misleading. You came to creationism due to a religious a priori belief. Nice to have seen this settled.

 

[AV1611VET]

So your post was misleading. You came to creationism due to a religious a priori belief. Nice to have seen this settled.

Man is made up of body, soul, and spirit.

The spirit is fed by the word of God and grows in faith.

Roman 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

What you call a "religious a priori belief" is, in fact, the Holy Spirit enlightening her.

 

[VirOptimus]

Man is made up of body, soul, and spirit.

The spirit is fed by the word of God and grows in faith.

Roman 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

What you call a "religious a priori belief" is, in fact, the Holy Spirit enlightening her.

By flowering, we self-actualize.
The goal of molecular structures is to plant the seeds of synchronicity rather than selfishness. Consciousness consists of supercharged waveforms of quantum energy. “Quantum” means an ennobling of the high-frequency.
The complexity of the present time seems to demand an ennobling of our auras if we are going to survive.
Wisdom is the knowledge of chi, and of us. The nexus is beaming with ultrasonic energy. Today, science tells us that the essence of nature is chi.

Nothing is impossible. We exist as sub-atomic particles. Nature is a constant.

To traverse the journey is to become one with it. Life-force requires exploration. This life is nothing short of a refining vector of unlimited faith.

If you have never experienced this paradigm shift on a cosmic scale, it can be difficult to exist.
We must ground ourselves and recreate others. The grid is approaching a tipping point. This vision quest never ends.

 

[SelfSim]

Amen!
Ah believe it all!
Ahm a believer now!
Ah've seen the light!

 

[AV1611VET]

If you have never experienced this paradigm shift on a cosmic scale, it can be difficult to exist.
We must ground ourselves and recreate others. The grid is approaching a tipping point. This vision quest never ends.

Do you believe this New Age stuff? if not, mind if I don't either?

 

[AV1611VET]

Amen!
Ah believe it all!
Ahm a believer now!
Ah've seen the light!

Chi is taught as universal energy that can be focused through our chakras.

It's demonic subterfuge.

 

[SelfSim]

Do you believe this New Age stuff? if not, mind if I don't either?
..
It's demonic subterfuge.

Such a Herbert outlook!

 

[AV1611VET]

Such a Herbert outlook!

I wasn't aware that you were a fan of the New Age Movement.

 

[SelfSim]

I wasn't aware that you were a fan of the New Age Movement.

I'm a fan of all human thinking!
There's no point in denying how thinking creates reality when we do it.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm a fan of all human thinking!

Right -- and I'm Genghis Khan.

Remember this?

Such a Herbert outlook!

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Let's simplify this and just call it a "question:"

Call it what you like it's still a paradox.

Question: Can God make a rock so heavy He can't lift it?
Answer: Yes.

Looks like you've chosen option 2 (accept that the paradox is nonsense) or perhaps God is not omnipotent.

 

[SelfSim]

.. and do you remember this Gengis?:

It's demonic subterfuge.

along with my 'Herbert' .. therewith are two glorious demonstrations of human thinking!

 

[AV1611VET]

(accept that the paradox is nonsense)

I can do that -- my pastor does!

 

[AV1611VET]

.. and do you remember this Gengis?:
along with my 'Herbert' .. therewith are two glorious demonstrations of human thinking!

Of which you claim to be a fan of, correct?

Is that how you describe your fans?

 

[SelfSim]

Is that how you describe your fans?

What I have objective evidence of, is that it takes a human thinking mind for them (and you) to describe their perceptions of me .. (and my mind, in order to describe my perceptions of them). Thinking that they exist independently (eg: as 'fans') from any of those minds, is just a belief.