4 Reasons John was writing a gospel sermon about suffering under Rome

[jgr]

You place Apostle Paul above Jesus, something that Paul himself never did.

That is why you also cannot grasp that Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 was warning about the same false one that Lord Jesus warned of in Matthew 24:23-26 while upon the Mount of Olives with His disciples.

Paul's epistles were inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Something you're evidently unable to understand.

Because it requires spiritual discernment.

 

[jgr]

So you do believe that the spiritual temple made up of the Apostles, and the prophets, and Lord Jesus as its Chief Cornerstone can... be corrupted!

Why was the Reformation necessary?

Or do you think that the apostate papacy's sale of indulgences to forgive sins was perfectly OK?

 

[Davy]

Paul's epistles were inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Something you're evidently unable to understand.

Because it requires spiritual discernment.

Well, I know Apostle Paul's teachings are NOT above what my Lord Jesus taught. Sad that you think otherwise, which shows you aren't really listening to Lord Jesus in HIS WORD, because everything Jesus and His Apostles taught aligns perfectly with what Apostle Paul taught. I'm well aware of the Hyper-Dispensationalist doctrines of men that try to separate Paul's Epistles from the rest of God's Word and say only Paul's writings apply to the Church. That is a stupid and ignorant doctrine of devils, and those pushing it will answer for it.

 

[Davy]

Why was the Reformation necessary?

Or do you think that the apostate papacy's sale of indulgences to forgive sins was perfectly OK?

Why can't you answer my question? Do you really think the spiritual temple, which is made up of the Apostles, the prophets, and Lord Jesus as its Cornerstone, can be corrupted? A simple yes or no will suffice.

 

[jgr]

Why can't you answer my question? Do you really think the spiritual temple, which is made up of the Apostles, the prophets, and Lord Jesus as its Cornerstone, can be corrupted? A simple yes or no will suffice.

The foundation cannot be corrupted.

But the superstructure can.

Your turn to answer my question.

Why was the Reformation necessary?

 

[Davy]

The foundation cannot be corrupted.

But the superstructure can.

Your turn to answer my question.

Why was the Reformation necessary?

There's no such thing written about a "superstructure", only the foundation of the spiritual temple being made up of the Apostles, the prophets, and Jesus Christ as The Cornerstone (Eph.2). Those in Christ are to be 'lively stones' in it per Peter (1 Peter 2).

The Reformation is a different subject.


Thus the matter is, can the Antichrist, or any antichrist, corrupt the true spiritual temple, which always... includes its foundation? The answer of course is a BIG NO! that simply because it would mean the foundation (Apostles, the prophets, and Jesus Christ) could become corrupted. That of course is impossible and beyond all doubt.

That is why the idea that the false one of 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 sitting in the "temple of God" CANNOT be about the corruption of the spiritual temple. And that leaves only one other choice... for the meaning of that "temple of God" phrase Paul gave. It means a literal stone temple in Jerusalem, what the Jews have always called it, and what they will call it again once they build their desired temple in today's Jerusalem for the end.

 

[jgr]

There's no such thing written about a "superstructure", only the foundation of the spiritual temple being made up of the Apostles, the prophets, and Jesus Christ as The Cornerstone (Eph.2). Those in Christ are to be 'lively stones' in it per Peter (1 Peter 2).

1 Peter 2:5
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

That's the superstructure, atop the foundation.

Sadly, it was and is corruptible. (2 Peter 2:1-3)

The Reformation is a different subject.

Why are you afraid to answer the question?

Why was the Reformation necessary?

Thus the matter is, can the Antichrist, or any antichrist, corrupt the true spiritual temple, which always... includes its foundation? The answer of course is a BIG NO! that simply because it would mean the foundation (Apostles, the prophets, and Jesus Christ) could become corrupted. That of course is impossible and beyond all doubt.

That is why the idea that the false one of 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 sitting in the "temple of God" CANNOT be about the corruption of the spiritual temple. And that leaves only one other choice... for the meaning of that "temple of God" phrase Paul gave. It means a literal stone temple in Jerusalem, what the Jews have always called it, and what they will call it again once they build their desired temple in today's Jerusalem for the end.

Antichrist occupying Christ's animal abattoir.

There's no sight like it.

 

[timothyu]

Why was the Reformation necessary?

It certainly didn't rectify the anti-Christ move of rejoining the world of man and abandoning God's Kingdom in favour of it's own in the 4th century, aligning itself with the contrary institutions of man.

 

[Davy]

1 Peter 2:5
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

That's the superstructure, atop the foundation.

Sadly, it was and is corruptible. (2 Peter 2:1-3)

Why are you afraid to answer the question?

Why was the Reformation necessary?

Antichrist occupying Christ's animal abattoir.

There's no sight like it.

You have left common sense and just don't get it. If any... believer falls away from Christ, they are CUT OFF from the spiritual temple, period. And once again, what did Paul say in Eph.2 the foundation of that spiritual temple is? He said it's made up of the Apostles, prophets, and Jesus Christ as The Chief Cornerstone. The spiritual temple CANNOT be corrupted, which is 'why' it is called the 'spiritual' temple. It is involving The Spirit, not man's fleshy sin nature.

Eph 2:19-22
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In Whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In Whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
KJV

So like God's Word shows there, that CANNOT be corrupted by any man, nor even by Satan and his angels. Jesus even told Peter that upon this rock He would build His Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it! (Matthew 16) Didn't you get the memo?!?

Thusly, the "temple of God" phrase Paul used in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 means the physical stone temple in Jerusalem. And for our times at the end of this world, the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem already have the materials ready to build it, and it must be rebuilt to fulfill the "abomination of desolation" prophecy for the end that Jesus forewarned His of in His Olivet discourse Signs of the end.

 

[JulieB67]

Paul's teachings in 2nd Thessalonians mirror Isaiah 14 about who will be sitting on the throne proclaiming to be God. This person will sit on the Mount of Congregation on the sides of the north. This hasn't happened yet and it is future. We're not talking about some past Babylonian king in those verses. They worshipped images and statues etc. No one ever proclaimed to be God.

Revelation 12 also makes note that it's Satan himself that will set out to deceive the nations.

And it will be God that sends the strong delusion because people would rather believe the lie. (2nd Thes)

Paul also teaches that Satan is transformed (disguised in the Greek) as an angel of light. (2nd Cor 11) Clearly, people are going to see him in the "disguise" and for what purpose? To pretend he is the true Savior. Why else for the disguise? No one can see him at this time.

That's why Paul also teaches us to have the full armour on so we can fight the wiles of the devil, not some human and to be able to stand in that "evil day" (Ephes 6)

Anyone believing the the role of Antichrist will be a human are in danger of being deceived...

 

[jgr]

You have left common sense and just don't get it. If any... believer falls away from Christ, they are CUT OFF from the spiritual temple, period. And once again, what did Paul say in Eph.2 the foundation of that spiritual temple is? He said it's made up of the Apostles, prophets, and Jesus Christ as The Chief Cornerstone. The spiritual temple CANNOT be corrupted, which is 'why' it is called the 'spiritual' temple. It is involving The Spirit, not man's fleshy sin nature.

Eph 2:19-22
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In Whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In Whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
KJV

So like God's Word shows there, that CANNOT be corrupted by any man, nor even by Satan and his angels. Jesus even told Peter that upon this rock He would build His Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it! (Matthew 16) Didn't you get the memo?!?

Thusly, the "temple of God" phrase Paul used in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 means the physical stone temple in Jerusalem. And for our times at the end of this world, the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem already have the materials ready to build it, and it must be rebuilt to fulfill the "abomination of desolation" prophecy for the end that Jesus forewarned His of in His Olivet discourse Signs of the end.

You ignored 2 Peter 2:1-3 that I posted previously. Why?

You're afraid to tell us why the Reformation was necessary. Why?

Let me help you.

Because both attest to corruption within the Church.

As does 2 Thessalonians 2:4.

Not to some Jabba antichrist squatting somewhere within Christ's animal abattoir.

Contrary to your misconceptions.

Get your common sense and memos from Scripture instead of deluded fantasies and fallacies.

 

[Davy]

You ignored 2 Peter 2:1-3 that I posted previously. Why?

You're afraid to tell us why the Reformation was necessary. Why?

Let me help you.

Because both attest to corruption within the Church.

As does 2 Thessalonians 2:4.

Not to some Jabba antichrist squatting somewhere within Christ's animal abattoir.

Contrary to your misconceptions.

Get your common sense and memos from Scripture instead of deluded fantasies and fallacies.

Blah, blah, you keep ignoring my simple question.

 

[jgr]

Blah, blah, you keep ignoring my simple question.

Who's wrong?

1. Peter
2. Paul
3. Davy

Easiest answer ever.

 

[keras]

Get your common sense and memos from Scripture instead of deluded fantasies and fallacies.

You are far from common sense and logical interpretation of the Words of prophecy, when you make 2 Thessalonians 2:4 to be something other than what is clearly described.
What makes you do that? Thinking it refers to the Reformation, is wrong as there have been many revivals and changes to doctrine over this all age.

 

[jgr]

You are far from common sense and logical interpretation of the Words of prophecy, when you make 2 Thessalonians 2:4 to be something other than what is clearly described.
What makes you do that? Thinking it refers to the Reformation, is wrong as there have been many revivals and changes to doctrine over this all age.

Why was the Reformation necessary?

Oh, and quote the post where I said that 2 Thessalonians 2:4 refers to the Reformation.

Why not least try to understand what a conversation is about before inserting yourself into it?

 

[Timtofly]

Why was the Reformation necessary?

It allowed common sense to once more take precedence. But then theological dogma just went from bad to worse.

 

[timothyu]

Without it there would be no political church services in arenas across America rooting for the world instead of the Kingdom.,

 

[jgr]

It allowed common sense to once more take precedence. But then theological dogma just went from bad to worse.

Yes, dogma in the form of deception originating in the apostate papacy's counter-reformation and subsequently embraced by dispensational futurism.

 

[Timtofly]

Without it there would be no political church services in arenas across America rooting for the world instead of the Kingdom.,

You think protesters fall miles away from the tree?

Yes, dogma in the form of deception originating in the apostate papacy's counter-reformation and subsequently embraced by dispensational futurism.

You think protesters fall miles away from the tree?

 

[timothyu]

You think protesters fall miles away from the tree?

Such are all of the world and not of the Kingdom. Priorities turn in on themselves instead of outwards towards others.