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Breaking Mask Requirements to Red States

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That's not what Fauci said. Fauci said Trump did what the experts advised him to do, Everytime. He also said if the experts told him not to do something he didn't. So Trump did listen.
The fact that this President hasn't met with Dr. Fauci since the beginning of June and that he has been conspicuous by his absence when Trump gives a briefing on the Pandemic speaks volumes as to how much he values the nation's foremost expert's advise!

Dr. Fauci has not been allowed to appear on CNN and MSNBC - members of the White House and Peter Navarro from the Trump Cabinet have been part of an orchestrated attempt to undermine the public's confidence in his medical opinions!

The problem is that the more the White House attempts to sideline Dr Fauci, the more the media and the healthcare community rush to his defense, because he possesses that rarest of all qualities in the Trump Administration - a willingness to "speak truth to power!"
 
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What's the point of this 4-month-old, outdated video?

The efficacy does not change. The inability to remove contagion from the air, or keep it from spreading did not 'go out of date'.
 
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The efficacy does not change. The inability to remove contagion from the air, or keep it from spreading did not 'go out of date'.
What we know about the efficacy can change and it did since then. We know more now how effective they are.

Do you like to eat at restaurants where the cooks use the bathroom and then don't wash their hands before handling your food?
 
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The efficacy does not change. The inability to remove contagion from the air, or keep it from spreading did not 'go out of date'.

Masks are effective at reducing the spread of COVID-19. We know this from studying COVID-19 transmission in countries that have actually mandated the wearing of masks in public. But at the time Dr. Fauci made that statement, it wasn't clear, the evidence wasn't conclusive. This is how science works, we build on knowledge as things become more certain, we don't jump to conclusions based on limited evidence.
 
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The efficacy does not change. The inability to remove contagion from the air, or keep it from spreading did not 'go out of date'.
Fauci doesn't really comment on the efficacy of masks in that video. His primary reason for not recommending them was to prevent a shortage. As he says, they are MOST effective at preventing the spread from infected individuals, and at the time that video was made, there were relatively few known infected individuals in the US, so people wearing them while not sick weren't doing much to protect themselves and were taking needed masks away from healthcare workers. We also weren't really sure whether or not asymptomatic transmission was something to worry about.

Masks work:
BWH Press Release - Brigham and Women's Hospital
 
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It's delusional. Honest question because I find it important. How many here are APR/PAPR/SCBA certified or licensed for hazmat at or above IDLH warm zone response?

Why is that important? People who have had zero training, have never sat in a class, or have never been in a lethal environment are running around thinking they are safe by improperly using paper respirators, PPE's, and cloth masks. The entire notion is feeding off of fear from ignorance.

What is being discussed... is a paper or cloth mask used to keep a contagion from spreading. Why don't professionals/first responders use paper masks when working with level C3 contagion? This is half/full mask APR/PAPR territory. Paper masks are level D. No IDLH. (Immediately Dangerous to Life or Health) A contagion, is at, or above IDLH.

Have you ever actually looked at how many people do not wear a mask correctly? The bridge of their nose, or their nose is outside of the mask. And if you got a beard, or large enough mustache you are breathing through your facial hair.

Then there are the masks themselves. How many days have you been breathing your warm, most breath through that filter? How many germ and bacteria colonies are you rebreathing? How about sweat? If you have a washable mask, what are you washing it in? What chemicals are you inhaling all day from that laundry detergent and fabric softener that smells so good?

How about contaminates and decontamination? Whenever you leave a contaminated area you need to throw away whatever PPE you utilized in that area, wash up, and use new PPE for the next area. Is that being adhered to? If not, you are doing nothing except carrying that contamination with you. And putting it right back on your face in the next area. And then you have people that wear the same gloves, that have everything they have ever came in contact with all day long all over them, going from one place to the next touching things. Brilliant!!

This is a nightmare in the terms of actually spreading a virus.
 
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And everyone walking around maskless would be an improvement?

Yes. People are much better off adhering to social distancing, and proper hygiene. People have a false sense of security behind a mask that lets them act in ways they wouldn't if they felt how vulnerable they still were.

If you wear gloves or a mask... it's once and done. If not, all you are doing is contaminating other areas, and rebreathing whatever you felt you filtered from a contaminated area.

I mean if this was truly 'airborne', where air filtration is necessary... it is in your hair. On your skin and clothes. Getting in your eyes... your ears... it's just silly to think a paper mask is keeping you safe from an airborne pathogen. It's not even 'scientific'. There are reasons there are different levels and/or classifications to different threats to personal health.

The level they are talking about you should be decon showered after going to your local Walmart. It is ridiculous on the face of it. This thing is supposedly so dangerous the air must be filtered but skin contact is just fine. No need to worry about mucus membranes of the ears or eyes either. It's 'airborne', but can only affect you if you don't wear a paper mask. It's just crazy.
 
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Would you rather they didn't?

In a perfect, ideal world, everything would always be right the first time and no one would ever need to correct anything. But this is not a perfect, ideal world. People make mistakes. And personally, I feel a heck of a lot better when people acknowledge their mistakes and correct them.
What makes you think the corrections were right?

It's now a scientific fact....masks don't work.
 
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They don't work.
That's why 57 always complains when the doctors wear a mask when he's going in for major surgery. He likes it when they cough into his open surgical wounds. The doctors wearing gloves when they're poking around inside his body bothers him as well.
 
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That's why 57 always complains when the doctors wear a mask when he's going in for major surgery. He likes it when they cough into his open surgical wounds. The doctors wearing gloves when they're poking around inside his body bothers him as well.

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I've debated creationists for years (57 included). I know what a strawman is.

57 made a blanket statement saying masks don't work (would you like me to repost his post for you?). I just gave an example of where and why doctors wear them (because they DO work) and the fact that patients would be mortified if doctors didn't wear them.

Since 57 made such a broad and general statement (about masks not working), my taking his statement to a logical and reasonable "conclusion" (since masks don't work, why do doctors in operating theaters use them?) is not a strawman argument.
 
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Yes. People are much better off adhering to social distancing, and proper hygiene. People have a false sense of security behind a mask that lets them act in ways they wouldn't if they felt how vulnerable they still were.
Here's a crazy idea: how about we do all three? I can wear a mask, practice social distancing, and practice proper hygiene all at the same time. Coincidentally, that's what the CDC recommends as well. Do you have any evidence that wearing masks is causing people to take unnecessary risks that they wouldn't otherwise?

I mean if this was truly 'airborne', where air filtration is necessary
My understanding is that it's not really airborne on that level. It's mainly carried on droplets of saliva and mucus that you experience when you breathe/talk/sing/cough/sneeze/etc. These don't stay in the air very long and are relatively easy to filter out.

It's 'airborne', but can only affect you if you don't wear a paper mask. It's just crazy.
What was that you were just saying about strawmen?
 
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What makes you think the corrections were right?
What makes you think they're wrong?

It's now a scientific fact....masks don't work.
Citation needed. You certainly haven't provided any scientific facts in this thread so far.
 
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