THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

[FineLinen]

God’s Spirit is not poetic metaphor because it describes the essence of God from the very beginning.

There is nothing of the God of splendour which is poetic metaphor!

His essence of Spirit, Love, Light & Fire has been from the very beginning, in fact before time began, (before aionios began).

Can the love of God be defeated?

Do you believe the unchanging love of God can be defeated?

"I believe implicitly in the ultimate and complete triumph of God, the time when all things shall be subject to Him and when God will be everything to everyone (1 Cor 15:24-28). For me, this has certain consequences. If one man remains outside of the love of God at the end of time, it means that one man has defeated the love of God—and that is impossible. Further, there is only one way in which we can think of the triumph of our God. If God was no more than a King or judge, then it would be possible to speak of his triumph, if His enemies were agonizing in hell or were totally and completely obliterated and wiped out. But God is not only king and Judge, God is Father—He is indeed Father more than anything else. No father could be happy while there were members of his family for ever in agony. No father would count it a triumph to obliterate the disobedient members of his family. The only triumph a father can know is to have all of his family back home again. –Dr. William Barclay-

 

[a-lily-of-peace]

Is the reason you keep trying to rephrase “the Lake of Fire” into “the Lake of God” because you believe the fire is an aspect of God rather than a part of creation?

And to answer your question no I don’t believe God’s love can be defeated and again I will repeat that I find the topics on this website questioning whether “God is a monster” or “Jesus is a failure” if your interpretation is incorrect to be taking things beyond the pale.

 

[FineLinen]

Is the reason you keep trying to rephrase “the Lake of Fire” into “the Lake of God” because you believe the fire is an aspect of God rather than a part of creation?

The Lake of Fire radiates with theion and theioo. Theion and theioo are both rooted in Theos.

Again:

Fire is NOT an aspect of God, Fire is the essence of God in union with Spirit, Love, and Light.

 

[a-lily-of-peace]

The Lake of Fire radiates with theion and theioo. Theion and theioo are both rooted in Theos.

Again:

Fire is NOT an aspect of God, Fire is the essence of God in union with Spirit, Love, and Light.

Fire requires fuel outside of itself to be sustained, fire requires oxygen from outside itself to be sustained, fire can be starved and suffocated.

Fire is part of creation, not more, not less. The presence of God, interacting with creation, can create fire, but God himself, prior to the creation of carbon, prior to the creation of oxygen, is not fire.

 

[FineLinen]

Fire requires fuel outside of itself to be sustained, fire requires oxygen from outside itself to be sustained, fire can be starved and suffocated.

My dear girl: the God of Glory requires nothing outside of Himself! He IS, He always has been, and He always will be.

He IS the Source, the Guide, the Goal of the all.

 

[FineLinen]

And to answer your question no I don’t believe God’s love can be defeated...

If you believe this fact you cannot subscribe to the dogma of annililation.

Not only one man has defeated the love of the Love God, the vast, vast lost and broken sinners from every age has been successful as well.

Every knee, every tongue, every dimension of the heavens, earth & underworld, IN/EN worship.

 

[a-lily-of-peace]

My dear girl: the God of Glory requires nothing outside of Himself! He IS, He always has been, and He always will be.

He IS the Source, the Guide, the Goal of the all.

God doesn’t. Fire does.

God created fire.

 

[Der Alte]

Fire requires fuel outside of itself to be sustained, fire requires oxygen from outside itself to be sustained, fire can be starved and suffocated.
Fire is part of creation, not more, not less. The presence of God, interacting with creation, can create fire, but God himself, prior to the creation of carbon, prior to the creation of oxygen, is not fire.

Normally unless God decrees otherwise. Exodus 3:2 Daniel 3:26-27

 

[FineLinen]

God doesn’t. Fire does.

God created fire.

Yup, and all dimensions of it out of the essence of Himself!

 

[Blade]

Not sure what to post. Seems this thread went of the tracks.

I don't believe in Universalism. Christ has already died for the worlds sin. Not sure what SIN made it past the blood of Jesus. Christ is the door. What keeps you out is not sin.. its knowing Christ. The word says.. we have sin if we say we don't then we are deceived. What do we really believe every one that has died confess all there sins? lol no. This flesh has never been changed. It loves to sin.

Yet.. there are millions upon millions that are blind "if you were blind you would have no sin. You say you see your sin remains." And who ever calls in the name of the lord shall be saved. So for me.. praise GOD man has no say in who is or is not saved.

For me.. its not easier to read the text when its in all caps.

 

[FineLinen]

Not sure what to post. Seems this thread went of the tracks.

I don't believe in Universalism.

This thread went off the tracks from the first post.

I also do not believe in universalism. Universalism no, restitution of all yes. Universalism no, apocatastasis yes!

Universal Salvation? Bible Supports Apocatastasis

“Having made known unto us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He has purposed in Himself: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of Him who works all things after the counsel of His own will..."

 

[a-lily-of-peace]

Normally unless God decrees otherwise. Exodus 3:2 Daniel 3:26-27

That’s because God has absolute control over his creation. He created the sun and the moon and the stars for signs and seasons and appointed times then “stopped the clock” for Joshua (Joshua 10:12-13) but that doesn’t mean he is the sun, any more than he is the fire in the burning bush which he created at his will.

 

[FineLinen]

That’s because God has absolute control over his creation. He created the sun and the moon and the stars for signs and seasons and appointed times then “stopped the clock” for Joshua (Joshua 10:12-13) but that doesn’t mean he is the sun, any more than he is the fire in the burning bush which he created at his will.

Again Lily: The essence of the God of Glory is,

FIRE LOVE SPIRIT LIGHT

These are NOT characterstics of the Holy One, they are His very essence!

 

[a-lily-of-peace]

Again Lily: The essence of the God of Glory is,

FIRE LOVE SPIRIT LIGHT

These are NOT characterstics of the Holy One, they are His very essence!

Then since you’ve already said that the attributes of fire can not be applied to God, what are you imagining when you say the word fire?

 

[FineLinen]

Then since you’ve already said that the attributes of fire can not be applied to God, what are you imagining when you say the word fire?

Focus Lily, focus.

I never said the attributes of fire can not be applied to God!

I repeat: God in His essence is LOVE, SPIRIT, LIGHT & FIRE.

All of these qualities are His essence.

Is His light a poetic metaphor?

Is His love a poetic metaphor?

Is His spirit a poetic metaphor?

If so, His fire is as well.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Indeed our God is a flamming fire taking vengence on the unrepentant wicked after the second coming...

2 THESSALONIANS 1:6-10
[6], SEEING IT IS A RIGHTEOUS THING WITH GOD TO RECOMPENSE TRIBULATION TO THEM THAT TROUBLE YOU; [7], AND TO YOU WHO ARE TROUBLED REST WITH US, WHEN THE LORD JESUS SHALL BE REVEALED FROM HEAVEN WITH HIS MIGHTY ANGELS,

[8], IN FLAMING FIRE TAKING VENGEANCE ON THEM THAT KNOW NOT GOD, AND THAT OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST: [9], WHO SHALL BE PUNISHED WITH EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD, AND FROM THE GLORY OF HIS POWER;

[10], WHEN HE SHALL COME TO BE GLORIFIED IN HIS SAINTS, AND TO BE ADMIRED IN ALL THEM THAT BELIEVE BECAUSE OUR TESTIMONY AMONG YOU WAS BELIEVED IN THAT DAY.

Links to this one here and others elsewhere...

HEBREWS 10:26-27
[26], For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more a sacrifice for sins,
[27], BUT A FEARFUL LOOKING FORWARD TO OF JUDGMENT TO COME AND FIREY INDIGNATION THAT SHALL DEVOUR THE ADVERSARIES.

Not looking to good for the unrepentant wicked after the second coming..

 

[FineLinen]

Indeed our God is a flamming fire taking vengence on the unrepentant wicked after the second coming...

Our God is not a "flamming fire". He is fire, & His Fire changes the vilest sinner.

Apocatastasis =

Jesus the Christ came to save more than a few.

Universal Salvation? Bible Supports Apocatastasis

 

[FineLinen]

"It wasn’t so long ago that you were mired in that old stagnant life of sin. You let the world, which doesn’t know the first thing about living, tell you how to live. You filled your lungs with polluted unbelief, and then exhaled disobedience.

We all did it, all of us doing what we felt like doing, when we felt like doing it, all of us in the same boat.

It’s a wonder God didn’t lose his temper and do away with the whole lot of us. Instead, immense in mercy and with an incredible love, he embraced us.

He took our sin-dead lives and made us alive in Christ. He did all this on his own, with no help from us! Then he picked us up and set us down in highest heaven in company with Jesus, our Messiah." -MSG-

The abounding love & grace of God = perisseia =

Exceeding measure/ above the ordinary.

Overflowing.

 

[mmksparbud]

This thread went off the tracks from the first post.

I also do not believe in universalism. Universalism no, restitution of all yes. Universalism no, apocatastasis yes!

Universal Salvation? Bible Supports Apocatastasis

“Having made known unto us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He has purposed in Himself: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of Him who works all things after the counsel of His own will..."

So -- what is the difference?

 

[FineLinen]

"How blessed is God! And what a blessing he is! He’s the Father of our Master, Jesus Christ, and takes us to the high places of blessing in him.

Long before he laid down earth’s foundations, he had us in mind, had settled on us as the focus of his love, to be made whole and holy by his love.

Long, long ago he decided to adopt us into his family through Jesus Christ. (What pleasure he took in planning this!) He wanted us to enter into the celebration of his lavish gift-giving by the hand of his beloved Son.

Because of the sacrifice of the Messiah, his blood poured out on the altar of the Cross, we’re a free people—free of penalties and punishments chalked up by all our misdeeds. And not just barely free, either. Abundantly free!

He thought of everything, provided for everything we could possibly need, letting us in on the plans he took such delight in making.

He set it all out before us in Christ, a long-range plan in which everything would be brought together and summed up in him, everything in deepest heaven, everything on planet earth.

It’s in Christ that we find out who we are and what we are living for. Long before we first heard of Christ and got our hopes up, he had his eye on us, had designs on us for glorious living, part of the overall purpose he is working out in everything and everyone." -MSG-