Donald's Fourth of July message

[Oompa Loompa]

And it worked:

Southern strategy - Wikipedia

Now the counter argument that nobody wants to listen to.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

You mean "The War of Northern Aggression?" They always have been.

The South fighting the “abolitionist terrorists” as the educational display said in the building that sold tickets for a boat ride to Fort Sumter.

 

[Allandavid]

You don't sound like you're a REAL American. We don't learn from history. We do our level best not to learn from anything! We are forged from the rugged individualism of our pioneer forebears who didn't need to know nothin' to tame an entire continent! And there was never ever any bad thing that came out of that that we have to deal with today.

I’m a real Australian...

 

[Oompa Loompa]

You're an American. You're not proud of that racist history or anything, are you?

As an American of color, why would I be proud of the Democrat racist past and their revised "soft racism" and pandering of today? Now don't get me wrong, Trump and the GOP have their own bundle of issues and racism isn't one of them. But as far as I can tell, Trump and the GOP have done more for me in the last 3 years than the DNC has done in 20 years.

 

[istodolez]

And if they have their ways the South might have been the "good guys" in the Civil War.

At that point we'd have a President fiercely defending statues of the leaders of the South's military! (Or at least the 1920's era statues erected by various white supremacist groups)

 

[istodolez]

I’m a real Australian...

Well, THERE'S YER PROBLEM! Sorry, we cain't fix "Australian".

 

[Subduction Zone]

Now the counter argument that nobody wants to listen to.

Prager "U" "Nuff said.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Prager "U" "Nuff said.

I told you that you wouldn't listen. Its called willful ignorance.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I told you that you wouldn't listen. Its called willful ignorance.

Incorrect. PragerU is abysmally wrong in every video of theirs that I have ever seen. You used a compromised source. Try to find a valid one if you want anyone to take you seriously.

In fact you are projecting a bit. The largest part of PragerU's audience appears to be the willfully ignorant. One should always try to find at least a neutral source. When one can only find terribly biased ones it tells us that the argument is all but certainly not valid.

 

[Hank77]

The Sioux, for whom the Black Hills is sacred ground, have been actively at war with the US in the 20th century. So it's not like this is an accepted "thing" for them.

It's actually kind of interesting doing geology field work in parts of South Dakota. There are areas you go into and realize that these are still actively used for ritual for the Native Americans. These are sacred lands to them.

Don't get me wrong: I love Mt Rushmore, it's beautiful. And amazing. But it is kind of an affront to people. Kind of like someone coming in and carving their graffitti on OUR most precious cathedrals (say, like Notre Dame or Chartres).

It is our privilege to assume that Mt. Rushmore is just fine. It is not necessarily so.

The white settlers had no interest in the Black Hills until gold was discovered there, then they had to take the hills away, too.

 

[Kentonio]

Now don't get me wrong, Trump and the GOP have their own bundle of issues and racism isn't one of them.

Yeah, I’m sure their overt attempts to suppress the black vote have nothing to do with racism..

 

[loveofourlord]

I told you that you wouldn't listen. Its called willful ignorance.

No it's refusing to listen to a propaganda mill that posts the same videos every few days that are just lies and fear mongering about liberals.

 

[TLK Valentine]

As an American of color, why would I be proud of the Democrat racist past and their revised "soft racism" and pandering of today? Now don't get me wrong, Trump and the GOP have their own bundle of issues and racism isn't one of them. But as far as I can tell, Trump and the GOP have done more for me in the last 3 years than the DNC has done in 20 years.

I'm not talking Democrat or Republican... I'm talking (assuming such a thing still exists) American.

I'm talking about America's racist history... or is it your contention that it's all the Democrats' fault?

 

[FireDragon76]

PBS News Hour just had an interview with the chief of the Oglala Sioux. Hari Sreenavasan pointed out at one point in the interview the US Supreme Court has recognized the land Mt. Rushmore sits on belongs to the Oglalla Sioux. So it seems to me the issue is mainly, according to the chief, that Trump decided to go to Sioux lands uninvited, disrespecting their sacred lands, disrupting the quarantine zone his tribe had placed around their lands, and inviting in guests who could be infected with COVID-19.

Chief Iron Horse didn't say he favored destroying the statues. He said he favors a national conversation on white injustices and the significance of the monuments in light of that, but he seems to respect that people venerate the images on the side of the mountain. He sounded like a very reasonable man, there was absolutely nothing extreme in his words.

 

[TLK Valentine]

 

[Oompa Loompa]

I'm not talking Democrat or Republican... I'm talking (assuming such a thing still exists) American.

I'm talking about America's racist history... or is it your contention that it's all the Democrats' fault?

As an American I am proud of what Mount Rushmore represents and the personal and political views of the sculptor has nothing to do with anything.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Who does this sound like?

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States

 

[FireDragon76]

As an American I am proud of what Mount Rushmore represents and the personal and political views of the sculptor has nothing to do with anything.

What does it represent? Taking other peoples sacred lands and building your own religious images on them?

 

[TLK Valentine]

As an American I am proud of what Mount Rushmore represents and the personal and political views of the sculptor has nothing to do with anything.

Certainly an improvement on his previous work... both artistically and morally.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

What does it represent? Taking other peoples sacred lands and building your own religious images on them?

What are you talking about? BTW...the most racist part of Mount Rushmore is the president who built the "religious image". Which last i checked was a Democrat.