[moved] Where does God's Wrath begin in Revelation?

[Timtofly]

When the Bible talks about 3.5 "times" and 3.5 "days" and
3.5 years (42 months) and 3.5 "watches of the night"...
please tell me WHY in the world you think the 3.5 "years"
is a literal time period?
Do you just IGNORE the other 3.5 periods?
Is THAT how you harmonize Scripture?

I was not focused on time periods, but Jesus. Are you refuting that Jesus spent literal time on earth?

 

[Timtofly]

WOW: this angel must have some set of lungs!

Can we just follow the scriptures? God has "marked" the 70th week with 7's: the 7th seal begins the week, the 7th trumpet marks the midpoint and the 7th vial ends it. The 7th trumpet is a very special event, for it is sounded to mark the day Satan is kicked off his throne as the god of this world. It is the day Jesus Christ gets his planet back. It is NOT the day Jesus returns to earth. there is NO COMING at the 7th trumpet.

God has given the Beast (And Satan behind the Beast) 42 months of authority over planet earth. Jesus is not coming back until those 42 months are up. This is His coming as shown in Rev. 19. (His coming FOR His church will be over 7 years before this.)

The end of what? It is true, the 7th vial will end the week. But the first six vials are poured out to "shorten" those days of GT. Therefore they most certainly ARE in the last half of the week. The last half of the week will go from the 7th trumpet to the 7th bowl: from chapter 11 to chapter 16. The vials are written in chapter 16. There will be TIME between the 6th vial and the 7th: days to fill out the 1260 days or 42 months, but NOT days of GT.

This is pretty much myth. There is not one hint that this trumpet sound is extended past the capacity of the lungs (supposing an angel breathes).
The two witnesses will die just 3 1/2 days before the end of the week, and will lay dead to the end of the week - to the 7th bowl. the 7th trumpet will have LONG SINCE quit sounding. It marked the midpoint of the week. The vials are poured out late in the last half of the week.

The rest of this post is mostly (if not completely) MYTH.

It cannot be myth, it has not happened yet. Do you not think God has a sense of humor, in letting Satan listen to God’s celebration Trumpet, while Satan makes a fool of himself? It will all be over in around 6.4 years anyways.

 

[BABerean2]

You are trying to force the Book of Revelation into a chronological sequence to make your doctrine work,

Correction: I am FORMING my doctrine from what is written. This seems a difficult task for many here. They form a doctrine, then rearrange Revelation to fit. There is no forcing in my doctrine.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


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[Timtofly]

Timtofly, the Day of the Lord includes the 1000 years. The Day of the Lord also extends forever into eternity.

It is the first beginning years of the Day of the Lord when all of the bad stuff happens during the Great Tribulation.

The Day of the Lord begins with the Transgression of Desolation act by the Antichrist in 2Thessalionians2:3-4.

Then a short time later, when the Abomination of Desolation statue image of the beast is placed on the temple grounds, that the beginning of the Great Tribulation is triggered,
Here is a chart of mine showing the beginning of he Day of the Lord, and its extension through the great tribulation and into eternity.
View attachment 280018

What about 2 Peter 3:7-11?

7 It is by that same Word that the present heavens and earth, having been preserved, are being kept for fire until the Day of Judgment, when ungodly people will be destroyed.
8 Moreover, dear friends, do not ignore this: with the Lord, one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like one day
9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some people think of slowness; on the contrary, he is patient with you; for it is not his purpose that anyone should be destroyed, but that everyone should turn from his sins.
10 However, the Day of the Lord will come “like a thief.” On that Day the heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will melt and disintegrate, and the earth and everything in it will be burned up.

Peter explains the concept of what 1000 years is. To the Lord it is one day. Then Peter explains this one day (1000 years) starts like a thief. Paul says the thief event is the Rapture. Daniel says it is a 7 year period split in half by a 7 day period. As a part of the church, I add the last Sunday, and now 8 days. So this "thief" is what leads up to this 1000 year period. But Peter says it all ends in fire. John says in Revelation, at the end of this 1000 years, there will be a New Heavens and earth, a New Jerusalem. It will be a brand new reality. It does not evolve better. It is completely a new reality.

Now some want to say Peter is just talking about a 24 hour period. It all takes place in one day and all is over. People say the same thing about Adam, that he sinned on the 7th day, even before God created the Garden of Eden. There was a Lord's Day at the beginning, a perfect 1000 years. There is a Lord's Day at then end. A glorified 1000 years. There were 6000 years of Adam's punishment placed in the middle of 2 Lord's Days.

Now the church age is at an end, and the 6000 years of death is at an end. It is the final harvest that Jesus taught over and over again in the 4 Gospels. That is what John himself witnesses and wrote down, and sent 7 letters to 7 churches in the 1st century. But it is happening today. The thief in the night is still a sure thing, and can still happen at anytime.

11 Since everything is going to be destroyed like this, what kind of people should you be? You should lead holy and godly lives,

 

[Douggg]

What about 2 Peter 3:7-11?

7 It is by that same Word that the present heavens and earth, having been preserved, are being kept for fire until the Day of Judgment, when ungodly people will be destroyed.
8 Moreover, dear friends, do not ignore this: with the Lord, one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like one day
9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some people think of slowness; on the contrary, he is patient with you; for it is not his purpose that anyone should be destroyed, but that everyone should turn from his sins.
10 However, the Day of the Lord will come “like a thief.” On that Day the heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will melt and disintegrate, and the earth and everything in it will be burned up.

Peter explains the concept of what 1000 years is. To the Lord it is one day. Then Peter explains this one day (1000 years) starts like a thief. Paul says the thief event is the Rapture. Daniel says it is a 7 year period split in half by a 7 day period. As a part of the church, I add the last Sunday, and now 8 days. So this "thief" is what leads up to this 1000 year period. But Peter says it all ends in fire. John says in Revelation, at the end of this 1000 years, there will be a New Heavens and earth, a New Jerusalem. It will be a brand new reality. It does not evolve better. It is completely a new reality.

If we placed the 2Thessalonians2:3-4 act on a scaled 1000 year timeline, the act would be like a dot right before. So what Peter wrote regarding the Day of the Lord coming like a thief, is essentially the same as what Paul wrote in 1Thessalonians5 about the Day of the Lord coming like a thief.

The Day of the Lord begins with the totally unexpected move by the Antichrist to stop the daily sacrifice, go into the temple sit, claim to be God.

What we can not nail down on the 7 year 70th week timeline is the exact day that the Antichrist commits the act. But what we can nail down is what follows shortly thereafter is the day the Great Tribulation begins as day 1185 on the timeline.

I show the ToD act by the Antichrist, and also the beginning of the great tribulation on my chart.

It gets very confusing in discussing these matter person to person because the issues are complex. Which is why I made the chart, as a visual aid for everyone.

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[5thKingdom]

The litte horn is a king. One of the four prominent kings of the four kingdoms, Daniel 7:17.

Once again the Bible proves you wrong.
It is amazing how often the Bible proves you wrong.
The four "kings" represent four "kingdoms"... do you not EVER
try to HARMONIZE ALL RELATED VERSES? Or do you think that
you can find Bible Truth by IGNORING related passages?
You are acting that you are a rookie at Bible study.

(1) First...Contrary to your "theory" the "Little Horn" is NEVER
called a "king" in Daniel 7... you would know that if you had read
just a few verses below verse 7:17 which you used as your
PROOF... but which NEVER said the "Little Horn" was a "king"
it says the Fourth BEAST is a "king" or a "kingdom"

Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings,
which shall arise out of the earth.

Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the
fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from
all [the other three] kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth,
and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

(2) Secondly... you ignore so much Scripture that I have to
wonder if it is intentional. The "Little Horn" arises AFTER the
"ten horns" arise. So when the Bible talks about the Fourth
KINGDOM on earth it is talking about the "ten horns" and
NOT just the "Little Horn".

Dan 7:8 I considered the [ten] horns, and, behold,
there came up among them another little horn, before whom
there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and,
behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth
speaking great things.

(3) Thirdly (and this is the MOST IMPORTANT point), Daniel 7
is NOT THE ONLY PLACE in the Bible that talks about these
"ten horns". You have not even ATTEMPTED to harmonize
ALL RELATED SCRIPTURES. Instead you have just repeated
what someone told you, who was repeating what he was told.

The "ten horns/kings" of Daniel 7 are the SAME PEOPLE as the
"ten horns/kings" of Revelation 17 and the SAME PEOPLE as the
"ten kings" of Daniel 2:44 and the SAME PEOPLE as the "ten virgins"
of Matthew 25:1-13.

And we can know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case)
they are the PEOPLE living on earth when the Lord Returns.

(a) The ten "kings/horns" of Daniel 7 are living on earth
when the Lord Returns

(b) The ten "kings/horns" of Revelation 17 are living on earth
when the Lord Returns

(c) The ten "kings" of Daniel 2:44 are living on earth
when the Lord Returns

(d) The ten "virgins" of Matthew 25:1-13 are living on earth
when the Lord Returns

So you made a ROOKIE MISTAKE of not even trying to harmonize
ALL RELATED Scripture... therefore you are not qualified or
capable of offering and "informed opinion" on these PEOPLE.

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[Douggg]

Once again the Bible proves you wrong.
It is amazing how often the Bible proves you wrong.
The four "kings" represent four "kingdoms"

17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

The four kings do not represent 4 kingdoms. They are the four most prominent kings of those four kingdoms.

 

[Douggg]

(1) First...Contrary to your "theory" the "Little Horn" is NEVER
called a "king" in Daniel 7... you would know that if you had read
just a few verses below verse 7:17 which you used as your
PROOF... but which NEVER said the "Little Horn" was a "king"
it says the Fourth BEAST is a "king" or a "kingdom"

But the little horn is implied to be a king in Daniel 8.

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

 

[Douggg]

(3) Thirdly (and this is the MOST IMPORTANT point), Daniel 7
is NOT THE ONLY PLACE in the Bible that talks about these
"ten horns". You have not even ATTEMPTED to harmonize
ALL RELATED SCRIPTURES. Instead you have just repeated
what someone told you, who was repeating what he was told.

The little horn person is in Daniel 8. The other ten kings in Daniel 7 are part of the group of transgressors who be part and parcel of stoppinng the daily sacrifice in Daniel 9:27, as well as in Daniel 8, itself.

In Daniel 8:23, the transgressors coming to the full is meaning the ten kings will have come to power near the end of their kingdom, which is the EU. And the little horn person, the leader of them, the leader of the EU, a king of fierce countenance who "stands up" and idiom for prepares to go to war.

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

 

[5thKingdom]

I said:
I have heard a lot of "private interpretations" in my time...
please tell me WHY you think the False Prophet of Revelations
is NOT the same man as the "Little Horn" of Daniel 7 and WHY
you think he will claim to be Elijah?

Do you have any SCRIPTURE to support those claims...
or are they just from your vivid imagination?

Differently, the false prophet is a prophet, who makes fire come down from (Revelation 13:13), in similitude to what Elijah did in his (speaking on behalf of God) challenge to the prophets of Baal.

But Dougggg... you have not quoted the Bible at all.
The Bible NEVER SAYS the False Prophet makes fire come
down from heaven and (contrary to your false statement above)
the False Prophet NEVER claims to be Elijah. You continue to
incorrectly quote the Bible and to ADD things the Bible never said:


Rev 13:11-13
And I beheld another beast [not the False Prophet] coming
up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he
spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the
first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which
dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound
was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh
fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,


(1) If you ever bothered to harmonize ALL RELATED Scripture
you find Revelations consists of TWO WOES and TWO TRUMPETS
and TWO "Heads/Kings" and TWO BEASTS.

You cannot simply ADD the words "False Prophet" to Rev 13:11-13
and you CERTAINLY cannot claim (truthfully) that the False Prophet
CLAIMED to be Elijah. You are ADDING and TAKING AWAY from
the Words of this Book... what does the Bible say about people
who do such a thing? Oh yeah... here is what the Bible says:


Rev 22:18-19
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


(2) Secondly, Does the BIBLE say the "Beast" and the "False Prophet"
are the SAME PERSON (that is what you are pretending... but that
is NOT what the Bible says):


Rev 16:13
And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth
of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.


Rev 19:20
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet
that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them
that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped
his image. These both [the Beast AND the False Prophet]
were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.


Rev 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and [that means also]
the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night
for ever and ever.


So we see that CONTRARY TO YOUR CLAIM... the "Beast" and
the "False Prophet" are NOT the same. You are just pretending
(good thing you still have your chart)


(3) Finally... BEFORE you start talking about the words in the Book...
why don't you at least DEFINE those words:

(a) What does the "Beast" represent?
(b) What does the "image" of the Beast represent?
(c) What does the "mark of the Beast" represent?

If you cannot DEFINE the words you are talking about then
you cannot possibly offer an "informed opinion" on those words.
No matter how hard you try and no matter whether you have
made a chart or not.

And Douggg... please be a man and do not IGNORE these
mistakes you made (especially your contention the False Prophet
CLAIMED to be Elijah). Please do not run away and HIDE in order
to save face.

Just answer the questions (#a, #b and #c) above.
And show me WHERE in Scripture the False Prophet CLAIMED
to be Elijah. Thank you.

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[BABerean2]

The other ten kings in Daniel 7 are part of the group of transgressors who be part and parcel of stoppinng the daily sacrifice in Daniel 9:27,

The following is from the 1599 Geneva Bible, which is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.

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Dan 9:27 And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate.


Daniel 9:27
And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

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[Douggg]

Rev 13:11-13
And I beheld another beast [not the False Prophet] coming
up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he
spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the
first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which
dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound
was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh
fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

Do you not know that (true) prophets speaking on behalf of God?

The false prophet speaks on behalf of Satan.

 

[Timtofly]

If we placed the 2Thessalonians2:3-4 act on a scaled 1000 year timeline, the act would be like a dot right before. So what Peter wrote regarding the Day of the Lord coming like a thief, is essentially the same as what Paul wrote in 1Thessalonians5 about the Day of the Lord coming like a thief.

The Day of the Lord begins with the totally unexpected move by the Antichrist to stop the daily sacrifice, go into the temple sit, claim to be God.

What we can not nail down on the 7 year 70th week timeline is the exact day that the Antichrist commits the act. But what we can nail down is what follows shortly thereafter is the day the Great Tribulation begins as day 1185 on the timeline.

I show the ToD act by the Antichrist, and also the beginning of the great tribulation on my chart.
It gets very confusing in discussing these matter person to person because the issues are complex. Which is why I made the chart, as a visual aid for everyone.
View attachment 280030

It is rather simple. What is hard are the rules of this forum.

Without setting dates, let's pretend where a 7 year period falls. It is the 7 years before the end of a 2000 year period, that started on the cross. The cross was the end of one and the start of the next. So we have 7 years prior to the next 1000 years. Now God says the time is shortened so we work with the easiest division, half of 7. Now we have two 3.5 year periods. What gets shortened? We have no other reference to narrow down any further, so we will nix the last 3.5 years. This means the Second Coming week. Inferring that Jesus had a First Coming week. The first one started on Palm Sunday. The Second one will start on a Sunday. Now if we shorten time, that means we shortened the 2000 years. It is now 1996.5 years. So how can we add any time at all? There is only 3.5 years for the Seals to be opened, the Trumpets to sound, and the Thunders to judge the Nations. We are not even to be looking for an Antichrist. But the Lamb and God on the throne. That is what Paul says those alive in Christ should be doing. Titus 2:13
"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;"

 

[Douggg]

So we see that CONTRARY TO YOUR CLAIM... the "Beast" and the "False Prophet" are NOT the same. You are just pretending
(good thing you still have your chart)

False accusation you are making. I naver claimed the beast, the king in Revelation 13:1 is the false prophet.

The first beast in Revelation 13:1 is a King, over the fourth kingdom in the end times.
The second beast in Revelation 13 is the false prophet, who is not a king.

It is so simple. I don't understand how you could be getting so confused.

 

[Douggg]

The following is from the 1599 Geneva Bible, which is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.

You are reading and going by commentary.

 

[Douggg]

Without setting dates, let's pretend where a 7 year period falls. It comes 7 years before the start of a 2000 year period on the cross. The cross was the end of one and the start of the next. So we have 7 years prior to the next 1000 years. Now God says the time is shortened so we work with the easiest division, half of 7. Now we have two 3.5 year periods. What gets shortened?

The 7 year 70th week doesn't get shortened. It is meaning that the great tribulation will be halted by Jesus's return at the end of the 7 years. Otherwise, all life on the planet will be wiped out.

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

 

[5thKingdom]

I said:
The Abomination of Desolation "standing" (ruling) in the
"Holy Place" (Body of Believers of the Fourth Kingdom) is
the same as the "Man of Sin" who is "sitting" (ruling) in the
"Temple" (Body of Believers of the Fourth Kingdom) so the
answer of WHERE this occurs is in the "Body of Believers"
during the Fourth "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1]

It is unclear what you mean.

Let me say this S-L-O-W-L-Y so you can understand English:


The Abomination of Desolation is the SAME EVENT as the Man of Sin.


The Abomination "standing" means he is RULING
The Man of Sin "sitting" means he is RULING


The "Holy Place" represents the "Body of Believers"
The "Temple" represents the "Body of Believers"


All these thing OCCUR during Daniel's Fourth Beast/Kingdom...
which is the SAME period as the Revelation Beast and the
SAME period as the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".


BTW... It was JESUS (not me) that specifically NAMED the
Great Tribulation as a "Kingdom of Heaven".


Mat 25:1
Then shall the Kingdom of Heaven be likened unto ten virgins,
which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

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BTW... I know that you like to REJECT Scripture that is told
as a "parable". I know that you like to PRETEND they do not
represent actual EVENTS. But even the rookie Bible student
knows that "parables" are also "prophecies" and thet DO show
actual events in history (usually, but not always, the FUTURE)

So, before you embarrass yourself AGAIN, let's TEST your
DENIAL of Scripture on the parable/prophecy of the "ten virgins"


Mat 25:1-13

1 Then shall the Kingdom of Heaven be likened unto ten virgins,
which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

2-4 And five of them were wise [the last saved "wheat"], and five
were foolish [the last unsaved "tares"]. They that were foolish [tares]
took their lamps [Gospels], and took no oil [Holy Spirit] with them:
But the wise [wheat] took oil [Holy Spirit] in their vessels
[since they were "indwelt"] with their lamps [their Gospel].

5-7 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And
at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh;
go ye out to meet him. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed
their lamps.

8-9 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps
are gone out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest
there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them
that sell, and buy for yourselves.

10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom [Jesus] came; and
they that were ready [the wise virgins] went in with him to the
marriage [in the Final Harvest]: and THE DOOR WAS SHUT.

11-13 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord,
open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know
you not. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.


Verse 1: It is obvious that the CONTEXT of Matthew 24 and 25
is the Great Tribulation. Therefore, it is JESUS (and not me) that
specifically NAMED the Great Tribulation a "Kingdom of Heaven"
If you decided to REJECT fact then you are REJECTING Scripture.


Verse 1: The "ten virgins" actually "went forth" from somewhere
and they went into somewhere different. The "ten virgins" actually
"went forth" from the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" shown
in Matthew 13, in 8 different verses...as they went forth into the
(4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".

Just like the LAST Jewish Saints "went forth" from the (2nd) Jewish
"Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 22:2] when they followed Jesus and
His disciples into the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven"

So we see Verse 1 represents actual historical EVENTS.
This "parable" shows Bible "prophecy" as any rookie knows.


Verses 2-4: Again, this is showing the "harvest" of the last
"wheat and tares" into the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
just like the last "wheat" (and some "tares") were "harvested" out of
the Jewish Kingdom into the Christian Kingdom when they followed Jesus and His disciples.

So again we see Verses 2-4 represent actual historical EVENTS
This "parable" shows Bible "prophecy" as any rookie knows.


Verses 8-9: This shows the parable/prophecy WAS NOT talking about
the time after Pentecost... at NO TIME during the Great Commission of
the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" do the SAVED tell the UNSAVED to
go to some other (unnamed group) to find their salvation. However,
that is EXACTLY what happened during the (4th) Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven".

So again we see Verses 8-9 shows actual historical EVENTS
and the parable/prophecy could NOT represent events during
the Christian Kingdom... but only events in the Fourth Kingdom


Verse 10: Obviously this verse shows the Final Harvest of the
LAST SAINTS from the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
and the "Door was Shut" shows (again) it's the Final Harvest

So we see again verse 10 shows actual historical EVENTS
as the Final Harvest happens from the (4th) Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven" (aka, the Revelation Beast)


Verses 11-13: Obviously these verses show what happens to the
unsaved AFTER the Final Harvest AND these verses are parallel
verses to Matthew 7:21-23 and Luke 13:23-30 which
are NOT "parables"... they are strictly "prophecies"

So again we see verses 11-13 show actual historical EVENTS
after the Final Harvest and they are parallel verses with
Matthew 7 and Luke 13 which are NOT "parables".


Dougg... when you PRETEND that "parables" are not "prophecies"
you only embarrass yourself and show you cannot offer an
informed opinion on the matter.

When you PRETEND that "parables" do not show actual EVENTS
you only embarrass yourself and show you do not understand
what any rookie Bible student already knows.

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[Douggg]

I said:
I have heard a lot of "private interpretations" in my time...
please tell me WHY you think the False Prophet of Revelations
is NOT the same man as the "Little Horn" of Daniel 7 and WHY
you think he will claim to be Elijah?

I have informed you already, because the false prophet call fire down from heaven, Revelation 13:13 as Elijah did in his battle with the false prophets of Baal.

In addition, the Jews are looking for Elijah to to come to make ready the nation of Israel for the coming of the messianic age. And of a known prophet to anoint the messiah the King of Israel.

The little horn is a different person than the false prophet. The little horn will be a King of the fourth kingdom, which in the end times is the EU.

The progression of the little horn to becoming the beast in Revelation 13:1 is......

Little horn king of the EU > prince who shall come following Gog/Magog > anointed the King of Israel by the false prophet becoming the Antichrist > revealed as the man of sin and not the messiah after all > is killed and brought back to life as the beast in Revelation 13:1.

 

[Douggg]

Let me say this S-L-O-W-L-Y so you can understand English:


The Abomination of Desolation is the SAME EVENT as the Man of Sin.

No, that is the Transgression of Desolation act.

The Man of Sin "sitting" means he is RULING


The "Holy Place" represents the "Body of Believers"
The "Temple" represents the "Body of Believers"

No, sitting means sitting as on a bench or chair. The holy place is in the temple, forthcoming.

Ezekiel 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

The seas is the nations. He will be claiming to the world that he has achieved God hood, by his act, to the nations of the world.

 

[5thKingdom]

1. The first beast in Revelation 13:1 represents both a kingdom and a man, who is king of that kingdom.

2. The second beast in Revelation 13:11 represents the false prophet, a man, who is not a king.

So you disagree with the BIBLE when it says these "Beasts"
represent "Kingdoms" of ten "kings/horns" or ten "virgins".
Gee... I wonder who is correct Dougggg or the Word of God?
I will go with the Word of God.


Dan 7:23
Thus he said, The Fourth Beast shall be the Fourth Kingdom
upon earth, which shall be diverse from all Kingdoms [Beasts],
and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and
break it in pieces.


Mat 25:1
Then shall the Kingdom of Heaven be likened unto ten virgins,
which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.