THE SABBATH TRUTH!

[Andre_b]

Jesus said David was unlawful in what he did. Are you saying that David did not breach the law?

Which directly implies the disciples were behaving unlawfully.

If I am hungry can I go shopping, prepare the meal, then eat it with a good glass of red wine?

Of course not, I can't prepare a meal on the Sabbath. You guys would be all over me like a pandemic. Why did not go shopping on Friday, your breaking the Sabbath.

You know that too well and that's exactly what you would do.
This event, the disciple gathering grain was prohibited not by the Pharisees but by the law. Have you not read; on the preparation day you will gather two shares of manna. The disciples were breaching the Sabbath because they were hungry.Jesus said, MERCY and COMPASSION. He said they were innocent, plainly because the Lord of the Sabbath was being merciful to them.That's not correct, the Pharisees enforced the sharp edge of the law also.

It's incredible how you do not understand. You tell people not be legalistic yet you become one quickly when people talk about the Sabbath. Jesus clearly explained this yet you deny it. I won't bore you with another wall of text trying to explain to you since you already deny straightforward scripture. It's disappointing to speak to you at times since you mocked God's coveting commandment about coveting an oxen, multiple times in older posts.

 

[klutedavid]

It's incredible how you do not understand. You tell people not be legalistic yet you become one quickly when people talk about the Sabbath. Jesus clearly explained this yet you deny it. I won't bore you with another wall of text trying to explain to you since you already deny straightforward scripture. It's disappointing to speak to you at times since you mocked God's coveting commandment about coveting an oxen, multiple times in older posts.

Are you saying that you can prepare a meal on the Sabbath, if your hungry?

 

[Andre_b]

Are you saying that you can prepare a meal on the Sabbath, if your hungry?

How were the disciples preparing a meal? I'm sure you know what involves preparing a meal. You should prepare all your meals the day before. What's difficult about that? Don't you prepare your meals to go to work or school when you were a kid? Yet you can't do that for the Sabbath a few hours before?

 

[Andre_b]

Are you saying that you can prepare a meal on the Sabbath, if your hungry?

Also don't you always have snacks and foods ready for a quick bite like the disciples were doing? Don't forget those days were very different and doing what they did was common.

 

[Andre_b]

Are you saying that you can prepare a meal on the Sabbath, if your hungry?

I know people that prepare many of their meals for the week for work and freeze some of them to last until Friday, etc. That's very proactive, lol, not for me though. That's a little extreme.

 

[klutedavid]

How were the disciples preparing a meal? I'm sure you know what involves preparing a meal. You should prepare all your meals the day before. What's difficult about that? Don't you prepare your meals to go to work or school when you were a kid? Yet you can't do that for the Sabbath a few hours before?

The disciples were breaking the husks of the grain in order to eat it, and that was on the Sabbath day. That is preparing a meal in order to eat it.

Jesus overlooked this transgression because they were hungry, that is compassion. Jesus overlooks your sin too and that is what Jesus does. He does not take our sin into account.

Blessed is the man whose sin, the Lord, does not take into account. Jesus is merciful and compassionate towards you, and forgives you of all your sin.

John 3:18
He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.


Acts 26:18
That they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.

Romans 4:7
Blessed are those whose lawless deeds have been forgiven, And whose sins have been covered.

 

[Word and Spirit]

Exactly and he was dead on the cross Luke 22:20
And then they proceeded the following day to REST THE SABBATH DAY ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENT. Luke 23:56 Recorded by Luke DECADES after HIS DEATH. The death of the testator is Jesus on the cross. How is this not clear?

That doesn't matter. What mattered was the Resurrection. Then it was complete.

 

[Andre_b]

The disciples were breaking the husks of the grain in order to eat it, and that was on the Sabbath day. That is preparing a meal in order to eat it.

Jesus overlooked this transgression because they were hungry, that is compassion. Jesus overlooks your sin too and that is what Jesus does. He does not take our sin into account.

Blessed is the man whose sin, the Lord, does not take into account. Jesus is merciful and compassionate towards you, and forgives you of all your sin.

John 3:18
He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.


Acts 26:18
That they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.

Romans 4:7
Blessed are those whose lawless deeds have been forgiven, And whose sins have been covered.

Breaking the husk to eat it was preparing a meal according to you... Too funny. So you quote everywhere else about forgiveness of sin yet no where in those verse was Jesus agreeing with the Pharisees.

Jesus then highlighted the fact that the priests profane the Sabbath yet were blameless for doing so.
Matthew 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

Again Jesus is explaining that certain situations is not actually breaking the Sabbath. Yet you don't get it. Seems like you agree with the Pharisees that you can barely even move on the Sabbath. How many words are you able to speak to your family on the Sabbath? How many steps can you take? You clearly do not understand the meaning of the Sabbath as the Pharisees didn't as Jesus was stating in many other verses. Often the Pharisees rules were based on an oral tradition that didn’t really understand the meaning of the Law. And based on this I see you fall into this category which I don't want you to.

Exodus 12:16 And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.

 

[Andre_b]

That doesn't matter. What mattered was the Resurrection. Then it was complete.

Wow blatantly ignore scripture and say it doesn't matter? I understand now. Then claim the resurrection somehow which is not related to when the covenant started. It's not when the covenant came into force, it's the blood symbolism because it's exactly how it was done with Moses and his people. We all agree the resurrection is very important also, but so is the cross.

Same as:
Exodus 24:7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient. 8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord hath made with you concerning all these words.

 

[Word and Spirit]

Wow blatantly ignore scripture and say it doesn't matter? I understand now. Then claim the resurrection somehow which is not related to when the covenant started. It's not when the covenant came into force, it's the blood symbolism because it's exactly how it was done with Moses and his people. We all agree the resurrection is very important also, but so is the cross.

Same as:
Exodus 24:7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient. 8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord hath made with you concerning all these words.

It took both the death and resurrection to signify the New Covenant.

4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

 

[Andre_b]

It took both the death and resurrection to signify the New Covenant.

4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

I know you try hard to ignore Luke. Jesus said CLEARLY SAID IT'S THE BLOOD. It's the BLOOD that ATONES for the sins on the MERCY seat. The resurrection is proof that you will live and His power over death. The starting point of the Covenant is clearly said by Jesus by the blood just like in the old testament.

Matthew 26:28 "For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins." Simply confirming it there.

Hebrews 9:22 "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."

Baptism is the symbol of the events yes.

 

[Word and Spirit]

I know you try hard to ignore Luke. Jesus said CLEARLY SAID IT'S THE BLOOD. It's the BLOOD that ATONES for the sins on the MERCY seat. The resurrection is proof that you will live and His power over death. The starting point of the Covenant is clearly said by Jesus by the blood just like in the old testament.

Matthew 26:28 "For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins." Simply confirming it there.

Hebrews 9:22 "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."

Baptism is the symbol of the events yes.

I'm not ignoring Luke. I'm sorry, but I just know more about what I'm talking about than you do about what you are talking about. And I hope some of what I'm telling you will someday sink in.

The New Covenant is also the ministry of the Spirit which didn't come until the Day of Pentecost, the first day of the New Covenant, like the reading of a will.

And you are right about the blood. The sign of the Old Covenant was the Sabbath. The sign of the New Covenant is the Cup, which represents Christ's blood. New Covenant, New Sign of the Covenant.

 

[Andre_b]

It took both the death and resurrection to signify the New Covenant.

4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

The New Covenant is also the ministry of the Spirit which didn't come until the Day of Pentecost, the first day of the New Covenant, like the reading of a will.

And you are right about the blood. The sign of the Old Covenant was the Sabbath. The sign of the New Covenant is the Cup, which represents Christ's blood. New Covenant, New Sign of the Covenant.

Interesting. So an important sign was completely removed yet all the other 9 commandments had no sign and was kept. Usually when you give someone a sign it's pretty important, you'd think you would not get rid of it. But somehow you claim it's getting rid of it. You are trying so hard to find a reason... And now somehow the cup is this sign? Never heard of this...

Also we are part of Israel now spiritually, correct?

 

[Word and Spirit]

@Andre_b Good night.

 

[Word and Spirit]

Interesting. So an important sign was completely removed yet all the other 9 commandments had no sign and was kept. Usually when you give someone a sign it's pretty important, you'd think you would not get rid of it. But somehow you claim it's getting rid of it. You are trying so hard to find a reason... And now somehow the cup is this sign? Never heard of this...

Also we are part of Israel now spiritually, correct?

When a covenant is complete, the sign of that covenant is gone. Jesus was the fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant of promise, and the sign of circumcision stopped and was replaced by the spirit of circumcision, meaning of the heart. It is the same with the Old Covenant, engraved on stone. The letter of the law kills, but the Spirit of the law brings life. the letter of the law is kept by the flesh, and the Spirit of the law is kept by the Spirit. The letter of the Sabbath was kept by the flesh in keeping physically a day of the week. The Spirit of the Sabbath was the Lord of the Sabbath, Himself. Our trust is in the promise from the Abrahamic covenant. The Seed, Jesus.

I know the day is more important to you than the Lord of the Sabbath, but that is the difference between us.

 

[Andre_b]

I'm not ignoring Luke. I'm sorry, but I just know more about what I'm talking about than you do about what you are talking about. And I hope some of what I'm telling you will someday sink in.

The New Covenant is also the ministry of the Spirit which didn't come until the Day of Pentecost, the first day of the New Covenant, like the reading of a will.

And you are right about the blood. The sign of the Old Covenant was the Sabbath. The sign of the New Covenant is the Cup, which represents Christ's blood. New Covenant, New Sign of the Covenant.

I understand you try to escape it. No doubt more power came to them by the Holy Spirit. The Covenant was already made in effect though. Luke would have told us the Sabbath was according to the Old Covenant if that was the case. Or would have called it the Law of Moses or the Sabbath of the Jews just like some tried to call it this many centuries afterwards. Yet no where in the bible is it ever declared as Sabbath for the Jews. God calls it "MY HOLY DAY"

 

[Word and Spirit]

I understand you try to escape it. No doubt more power came to them by the Holy Spirit. The Covenant was already made in effect though. Luke would have told us the Sabbath was according to the Old Covenant if that was the case. Or would have called it the Law of Moses or the Sabbath of the Jews just like some tried to call it this many centuries afterwards. Yet no where in the bible is it ever declared as Sabbath for the Jews. God calls it "MY HOLY DAY"

Be happy in your day. I choose Jesus.

 

[Andre_b]

When a covenant is complete, the sign of that covenant is gone. Jesus was the fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant of promise, and the sign of circumcision stopped and was replaced by the spirit of circumcision, meaning of the heart. It is the same with the Old Covenant, engraved on stone. The letter of the law kills, but the Spirit of the law brings life. the letter of the law is kept by the flesh, and the Spirit of the law is kept by the Spirit. The letter of the Sabbath was kept by the flesh in keeping physically a day of the week. The Spirit of the Sabbath was the Lord of the Sabbath, Himself. Our trust is in the promise from the Abrahamic covenant. The Seed, Jesus.

Nice try again though. You clearly don't understand and use all these fancy ways of trying to explain one commandment away. We are led by the Spirit in obeying God. Yet Luke clearly calls it the commandment no matter how hard you try to find scripture to change the meaning of it. Luke clearly defined it for us.

Why would Jesus say walk the way he walked if he didn't want us to keep the Sabbath by example? Contradiction there. 1 John 2:6 "He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked."

 

[Andre_b]

Be happy in your day. I choose Jesus.

Yes, I indeed choose Jesus, also. Hence what I'm explaining. Billions claim the exact same thing... It's all in love.

 

[Word and Spirit]

Nice try again though. You clearly don't understand and use all these fancy ways of trying to explain one commandment away. We are led by the Spirit in obeying God. Yet Luke clearly calls it the commandment no matter how hard you try to find scripture to change the meaning of it. Luke clearly defined it for us.

Why would Jesus say walk the way he walked if he didn't want us to keep the Sabbath by example? Contradiction there. 1 John 2:6 "He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked."

We are not in the covenant of the Ten Commandments of murder and adultery. The New Covenant goes deeper to the core of iniquity the heart, thus hate and lust expelled by love.