Something doesn't feel right about BLM

[BNR32FAN]

Well, perhaps if you are white you have the privilege to simply throw your hands up, call it an unsolvable mystery and ignore the problem. It's easy enough to do. But when black people tell you repeatedly and constantly that these things impact them (even well-to-do black people) then there's your clue!

But by all means, let's just throw up our hands, give up paying attention to it, assume it is a "mysterious unknown force" and watch our cities burn. That sounds like a solid plan. "Let them eat cake" if you will.

Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. And there's no better way to not know history or not see what is coming than to simply throw our hands up and ignore the problems.

How many black people say that Floyd died as a result of racism? So let’s just get this straight the reason blacks hold the highest unemployment of all other races is because they can’t get a job because of racism? And yet the vast majority of blacks can get a job despite racism? I don’t get it, most of them can get a job but a small portion of them can’t because they’re being discriminated against? And surely you wouldn’t think that there might be a small amount who are just lazy and want to make excuses for their laziness? That would just be an impossible scenario now wouldn’t it?

 

[LostMarbels]

Floyd was saying I can’t breathe and saying mama while he was still standing. That sounds like hysterical delusion or possibly intoxication. You have to take into consideration how many times officers deal with this type of behavior. It’s something they deal with on almost a daily basis.

I like a lot of your post and agree with you often, but this I cannot. I cannot justify this. Even cops in my own family are appalled. All of them have presented more reasonable, and plausible ways to have dealt with him that might not have resulted in death.

 

[istodolez]

Thanks for pointing that out and please forgive me for not noticing those discussions buried somewhere in the 400+ posts in this thread.

Hey, from what I've heard on this thread laziness should not be supported. People who want something should work for it. No hand outs, dontcha know.

 

[istodolez]

How many black people say that Floyd died as a result of racism?

Turn on your TV.

So let’s just get this straight the reason blacks hold the highest unemployment of all other races is because they can’t get a job because of racism?

There is reason to believe that systemic racism plays a significant role in this. Yes.

And yet the vast majority of blacks can get a job despite racism? I don’t get it

Hmm, I think I need to explain this differently. Cigarettes cause cancer. This is known. Incontrovertible fact. BUT, not all who smoke develop cancer. Does that help?

And surely you wouldn’t think that there might be a small amount who are just lazy and want to make excuses for their laziness?

There are truly lazy people in all populations: white, black, hispanic, etc. The key then is to ask "What is the RATE of laziness in these populations?" IF laziness were the primary explanatory variable then you would have to figure out why "laziness" is different by different races.

So...why is there higher unemployment in the black community per your hypothesis? Are you of the opinion that there is a difference by race in the rate of laziness?

Say what you mean clearly. Just say it....

 

[Aldebaran]

#BLM #StatueRemoval #DC
HAPPENING TOMORROW! Rioters Want To Tear Down Emancipation statue in Lincoln Park

It's amazing and ironic how they claimed they wanted to tear down "symbols of oppression" and are now tearing down so many of the symbols of their own liberation. Me thinks they must have some sort of irrational fear of statues--or an irrational love of destroying things.

 

[Aldebaran]

Trump has, this week, doubled down on a gross and offensive racist comment. He's seemingly PROUD of it.

And just what "gross and offensive racist comment" did he make that was so earth shattering?

 

[LostMarbels]

It's amazing and ironic how they claimed they wanted to tear down "symbols of oppression" and are now tearing down so many of the symbols of their own liberation. Me thinks they must have some sort of irrational fear of statues--or an irrational love of destroying things.

BLM is a Marxist revolution. The narrative and message of George Floyd has been hijacked.

 

[Aldebaran]

BLM is a Marxist revolution. The narrative and message of George Floyd has been hijacked.

It sure has! Those who have exploited his death to hijack the cause for their own are the ones being exploited by the DNC.

 

[rturner76]

Floyd was saying I can’t breathe and saying mama while he was still standing. That sounds like hysterical delusion or possibly intoxication. You have to take into consideration how many times officers deal with this type of behavior. It’s something they deal with on almost a daily basis.

If they deal with it daily should they be good at what they do? Is a knee on the throat a standard hold? When someone in on the ground, in compliance, do they need further restraint? I don't care how many times you see it, when someone says they can't breathe, take your knee of his windpipe.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I like a lot of your post and agree with you often, but this I cannot. I cannot justify this. Even cops in my own family are appalled. All of them have presented more reasonable, and plausible ways to have dealt with him that might not have resulted in death.

I absolutely agree Chauvin could’ve dealt with the situation a lot better but my whole point is did he intentionally kill Floyd and was it the result of racism? Did Chauvin turn and look right at the person taking a video of him intentionally kill George Floyd? What’s his motive? Is it because Floyd resisted arrest? Was it because Floyd was black? I’m sure you would agree that he encountered these situations countless times in his 19 years of service. If I’m not mistaken he has only killed one person in the line of duty in which he was justified. Chauvin was inflicting pain on Floyd in order to force him to submit and get in the police vehicle. Now I may be mistaken and please correct me if I’m wrong here but police officers do have the authority to do that right? I think this was a tactic that he had probably successfully used before without resulting in an incident. I think he wanted Floyd to cooperate and agree to get in the vehicle and that was his entire plan.

 

[whatbogsends]

Why not? Why would one race’s performance differ significantly on average from any other race? What is it about race that determines so much of someone’s future?

What is your explanation as to why statistically asians consistently outperform whites on educational achievement and income levels? (the chart shown in post #196 on this thread is one such example)

Do you believe there is systemic pro-Asian racism or could it possibly be that their culture values hard work and education more?

There are plenty of examples of real world statistics which make it clear that racism isn't the only cause for statistical differentiation between different ethnic groups. Additionally, while charts show distinctions between racial groups, they often reflect a composite of several racial/cultural/ethnic groups. In other words, the application of racial statistics are often misleading as the statistics often fail to articulate meaningful differences.

Institutional racism no doubt plays a significant factor (i would even consider it the dominant factor) in explaining statistical differences, but it's hardly the only factor. When examined thoroughly (which people on either side of these discussions rarely do), it becomes even more difficult to untangle, as cause and effect become intertwined and compounded over generational institutional racism. Racist policies and adverse impacts to black people lead to a culture in which adhering to other social norms is rejected.

 

[istodolez]

And just what "gross and offensive racist comment" did he make that was so earth shattering?

You MUST know, right? You MUST. "Kung flu".

Oh sure you may not be offended by it, but apparently a lot of Asian Americans find it offensive.

I know you're gonna drag this out and parse it down to the last phoneme to try to explain how it isn't racist or offensive or how you have talked to an asian person and they weren't offended, or whatever, but just save your breath. It's racist and offensive.

The real issue is NOT whether you are offended or not...it is whether OTHER PEOPLE ARE OFFENDED.

HEre's a simple test: GO TO YOUR WORK and say the things Trump says and count the milliseconds before you find yourself in HR.

 

[Aldebaran]

You MUST know, right? You MUST. "Kung flu".

Oh sure you may not be offended by it, but apparently a lot of Asian Americans find it offensive.

I know you're gonna drag this out and parse it down to the last phoneme to try to explain how it isn't racist or offensive or how you have talked to an asian person and they weren't offended, or whatever, but just save your breath. It's racist and offensive.

Only to those who are easily offended, and those who enjoy being offended because it gives them a weapon to use to try to portray someone they don't like as a villian.

The real issue is NOT whether you are offended or not...it is whether OTHER PEOPLE ARE OFFENDED.

HEre's a simple test: GO TO YOUR WORK and say the things Trump says and count the milliseconds before you find yourself in HR.

That statement comes from a position of black privilege.

 

[istodolez]

Only to those who are easily offended, and those who enjoy being offended because it gives them a weapon to use to try to portray someone they don't like as a villian.

...and here we go. (You forgot to tell me about an Asian person who wasn't offended that you read about.)

That statement comes from a position of black privilege.

No idea what that statement means. Sorry!

 

[Aldebaran]

...and here we go. (You forgot to tell me about an Asian person who wasn't offended that you read about.)

You're the one who predicted I would do that. It's not my job to carry out your wishes.

No idea what that statement means. Sorry!

I'm sure.

 

[istodolez]

You're the one who predicted I would do that. It's not my job to carry out your wishes.

I am always fascinated by how resistant some people are to accepting that others might be offended by something.

You seem to think that if YOU are not personally offended by something that no one has a right to be. So you assume that people being offended by Trump's virulent bigoted comments means they just "have it out" for good ol' Trump.

Like I said: you can prove to me how much you BELIEVE this truly and deeply by going into work (when you are allowed back on site after this COVID thing) and saying things like calling COVID "Kung Flu" in front of any Asian American you work with. I really would love to hear how you made it through your trip to HR.

Now, I'm not going to lie..."kung flu" is funny. But offensive. And, sadly, Trump is PRESIDENT OF ALL AMERICANS, not just the white ones he likes the most. There are OTHER types of Americans that Trump probably doesn't care much for, but sadly his job description is one of representing ALL OF US.

Not just the deplorables like him.

So, how brave are you REALLY? How much do you REALLY believe Trump's comments are pure as the driven snow? I'll believe YOU the minute you try saying these Trumpisms in front of various ethnic groups.

Until that time I'll just assume that, like most Trump supporters, you talk a good game.

 

[Sparagmos]

Do you think more whites graduated college being less motivated than Hispanics or blacks?[/QUOTE

Can you rephrase that? I’m not sure I understand it.

 

[gaara4158]

What is your explanation as to why statistically asians consistently outperform whites on educational achievement and income levels? (the chart shown in post #196 on this thread is one such example)

Do you believe there is systemic pro-Asian racism or could it possibly be that their culture values hard work and education more?

Systemic racism clearly doesn’t keep Asians from outperforming other demographics. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Perhaps a good work ethic is especially valued in Asian cultures. Is that answer satisfactory to you, or do you want to know why many Asian immigrants bring an outstanding work ethic with them?

There are plenty of examples of real world statistics which make it clear that racism isn't the only cause for statistical differentiation between different ethnic groups. Additionally, while charts show distinctions between racial groups, they often reflect a composite of several racial/cultural/ethnic groups. In other words, the application of racial statistics are often misleading as the statistics often fail to articulate meaningful differences.

Institutional racism no doubt plays a significant factor (i would even consider it the dominant factor) in explaining statistical differences, but it's hardly the only factor. When examined thoroughly (which people on either side of these discussions rarely do), it becomes even more difficult to untangle, as cause and effect become intertwined and compounded over generational institutional racism. Racist policies and adverse impacts to black people lead to a culture in which adhering to other social norms is rejected.

No one, and I mean no one is arguing that institutional racism is the only explanation for the statistical differences between different racial demographics. The goal here is to get people to acknowledge that it exists, and that it’s worth fixing.

 

[BNR32FAN]

If they deal with it daily should they be good at what they do? Is a knee on the throat a standard hold? When someone in on the ground, in compliance, do they need further restraint? I don't care how many times you see it, when someone says they can't breathe, take your knee of his windpipe.

First of all he wasn’t complying he was refusing to get in the vehicle and second your windpipe isn’t in the back of your neck. You can’t strangle someone from the back of their neck. If his windpipe was being crushed or obstructed he wouldn’t be able to speak.

 

[BNR32FAN]

sure what I was saying was can a larger number of whites possibly graduate college than Hispanics and blacks if less whites are motivated to do so?I don’t see how that could be possible.