Something doesn't feel right about BLM

[BNR32FAN]

Perhaps you can show us some examples and then show us how common it is for white people to be killed on the street by strangulation by police officers vs black people. That would be much appreciated.

George Floyd died of a heart attack not strangulation. This might interest you.

27 CR 20 12646 Complaint

George Floyd refused to enter the police vehicle claiming that he was claustrophobic and saying several times “I can’t breathe” while he was still standing in the door of the vehicle. Then when they tried to put him in the vehicle he dropped to the ground resisting the officers. So he didn’t appear to be claustrophobic when they removed him from the vehicle he was in when they found him and he was claiming he couldn’t breathe while he was still standing before ever going to the ground. The coroner specifically stated that he died of a heart attack not asphyxia or strangulation.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Perhaps you can show us some examples and then show us how common it is for white people to be killed on the street by strangulation by police officers vs black people. That would be much appreciated.

Tony Timpa 2016

 

[istodolez]

Why don't you find them. You won't be able to find them because it's not news worthy. It's no splashy. It's much more antagonistic to create stories on blacks being killed. No one cares if it's a white guy. It doesn't fit the cops are racist agenda.

YOU made the claim, YOU support it. Sorry, that's how ALL of this works.

 

[istodolez]

Could be any number of reasons. Physically incapable, mental health issues, drugs, wanted by the authorities, laziness, not willing to take something outside of their area of expertise. These are just a few possibilities but I’m sure there are more.

And you think this applies to the majority of black people MORESO than to white people?

 

[BNR32FAN]

I think we all have to be honest and say that the black community absolutely has it more difficult than the white community as a whole. There has been severe racism in the past by white Democrats.

And the current state of the African American community can still be laid squarely at the feet of Democrats as well. They have had the power of local government in these communities and often in the states for years. Yet not much has changed.

Police are heavily involved in these communities due to there is more crime there which leads to higher rates of police contacts.

Fewer blacks graduate
Fewer go to college
High rate of single moms
High rate of absentee fathers
Higher crime rates

The question is why? Is it all due to racism or is there something else at play?

Rap music?

 

[BNR32FAN]

And you think this applies to the majority of black people MORESO than to white people?

I think these reasons could be the cause of many people of all races who are unemployed. I mean how many homeless people do you see with jobs? How many of them do you see on drugs? I think the homeless represent a large number of those who are unemployed.

 

[istodolez]

I think these reasons could be the cause of many people of all races who are unemployed

So, again, why is the RATE higher in the black community than in the white community?

 

[jardiniere]

I hear that all the time, but it's not much of an argument. A guy like Biden who makes claims that counter what his cheerleaders say they like in a president isn't much of an alternative to Trump. If we end up with Biden, then his supporters will end up with what they say they don't like. But at least they'll be able to continue complaining for another 4 years. Perhaps that's what they like.

Eh. And the republicans complain too when the tides turn, so your comment just doesn't have the pithy impact you might hope for. Also, Biden actually apologized for his needlessly clueless* gaffe, which brings him to a higher level of ethical behavior than Trump.

*and dumb, and disgusting, and cringe-worthy.

 

[LostMarbels]

#BLM #StatueRemoval #DC
HAPPENING TOMORROW! Rioters Want To Tear Down Emancipation statue in Lincoln Park

 

[jardiniere]

Ok, think about someone like Candace Owens. Or any black individual that speaks out against BLM. How are they received by the black community, and how does that tie into social control?

I don't know how Candace Owens is received by the "black community". I did watch part of a video by her, her argument was specious, so I stopped engaging.

I did watch a couple of videos praising her, and they were from a black person. Is he the black community?

 

[LostMarbels]

I don't know how Candace Owens is received by the "black community". I did watch part of a video by her, her argument was specious, so I stopped engaging.

I did watch a couple of videos praising her, and they were from a black person. Is he the black community?

Why do people play games if they are honestly interested in solutions? Are we going to play the whole game that no one knows what I am referring to again? Like as if no one actually knows what I am saying?

 

[LostMarbels]

George Floyd died of a heart attack not strangulation. This might interest you.

While I understand your point, no one deserves to be held down begging for their lives like that. I will not give that a pass no matter what the circumstance of that case may be.

 

[istodolez]

Eh. And the republicans complain too when the tides turn, so your comment just doesn't have the pithy impact you might hope for. Also, Biden actually apologized for his needlessly clueless* gaffe, which brings him to a higher level of ethical behavior than Trump.

*and dumb, and disgusting, and cringe-worthy.

One of the things that fascinates me is that when Dems make terrible gaffes or something stupid is raised from their past (like in Al Franken's case) they always end up backing down and apologizing for it. Republicans take that as a sign of weakness that can be exploited. So they crow about and revel in every misstep a Dem makes. But their guy vomits out howlers and downright malevolent comments made in full knowledge of what they are and it's "crickets" from the Repubs.

Al Franken's photo disaster was an interesting experience. I liked Al a LOT. And when the photo came out my first thought was "Oh this is stupidity and juvenile to the extreme" and I feel in my heart of hearts he probably had less to apologize for (it was, after all, just a "motion" not actually doing the action) but I understand why women would be mortified and they have every right and in the end Al did what he HAD to do.

So when I see folks on the Right belaboring any gaffe Biden makes or in fact ANY Dem makes it really drives home the gross hypocrisy and shows me that the Republican party has fully embraced the "bully" attitude Trump models. If anyone has a DECENT BONE IN THEIR BODY it must be exploited as a weakness.

Trump has, this week, doubled down on a gross and offensive racist comment. He's seemingly PROUD of it.

There is no "moral equivalency" here. The Right has lapped the Left in terms of awfulness in this arena.

 

[istodolez]

Ok, think about someone like Candace Owens. Or any black individual that speaks out against BLM. How are they received by the black community, and how does that tie into social control?

The best model is what happens when a Republican speaks out against Trump. They are immediately labeled a "RINO" and their opinion denigrated...shortly thereafter they are "Primaried" and their job is taken from them.

People are free to disagree. But that doesn't mean that everyone must like their position. If one feels strongly about a position then it shouldn't matter what others say about them.

 

[istodolez]

Excellent question. I’m anxious to hear about these laws.

They have been discussed on this very thread at length.

But by all means please keep "demanding" them to be repeated for you.

 

[istodolez]

#BLM #StatueRemoval #DC
HAPPENING TOMORROW! Rioters Want To Tear Down Emancipation statue in Lincoln Park

Well, at first blush this sure seems to be concerning. Have you read any history about the French Revolution and the ensuing Terror that came after it? It was not humanity's finest hour. This kind of excess and push for "idealistic purity" (tearing down statues marking a good event because they are not ideologically pure, in this case "racially degrading") is bound to happen on the edges of the movement.

The real risk here is we are going to lose our chance to make meaningful changes in our society and this kind of excess will only get worse. It is always what happens when people are pushed to the limit decade after decade after decade and there are people within that group who are on the extremes.

This is like "global warming". We waste so much time trying to convince the obtuse of the facts that are clearly available and hard to disagree with. And in so doing we lose valuable time while the situation gets worse and worse.

There's a valid point for "skepticism" of any given massive change but after a while the pent-up energy of the actual problem overwhelms everything. And very bad extremes start to happen.

NOW is our time to act. Before this sort of thing gets much, much worse. Remember: those who feel they have nothing to lose will not be easy to "bargain" with.

 

[LostMarbels]

The best model is what happens when a Republican speaks out against Trump. They are immediately labeled a "RINO" and their opinion denigrated...shortly thereafter they are "Primaried" and their job is taken from them.

People are free to disagree. But that doesn't mean that everyone must like their position. If one feels strongly about a position then it shouldn't matter what others say about them.

Yeah, but I'm trying to point out the difference between racial and ideological. BLM does not represent the entire race as a whole or even the majority in my opinion. If it was about blacks, then blacks as a race would be considered. However, when blacks do not hold the same ideology they are discredited and not part of that collective group. At some point I hope to get this to click in peoples heads.

Look at MLK. He was marching for blacks. Not just his own ideological view. He was racially unifying his people. There is a difference.

 

[rjs330]

YOU made the claim, YOU support it. Sorry, that's how ALL of this works.

Nice try if you can't prove me wrong then I guess my assertion stands.

Where are all these websites and news articles about all the white people killed by police? Where are they all about unarmed whites being killed? Hmmm...? They don't exist do they.

I guess every white person killed by police was armed and dangerous then. Or perhaps the real reason is because the media doesn't care. It's not as exciting and divisive as black people being killed.

I will take it back if you prove me wrong.

 

[rjs330]

They have been discussed on this very thread at length.

But by all means please keep "demanding" them to be repeated for you.

Just give us a post number, because I have been reading the thread and haven't seen one yet.

 

[LostMarbels]

Well, at first blush this sure seems to be concerning. Have you read any history about the French Revolution and the ensuing Terror that came after it? It was not humanity's finest hour. This kind of excess and push for "idealistic purity" (tearing down statues marking a good event because they are not ideologically pure, in this case "racially degrading") is bound to happen on the edges of the movement.

Yes, this is ideological. Tribal. It is this own groups beliefs or nothing, and that does not exactly align with the black communities.

The real risk here is we are going to lose our chance to make meaningful changes in our society and this kind of excess will only get worse. It is always what happens when people are pushed to the limit decade after decade after decade and there are people within that group who are on the extremes.

Sorry, that is a false pretense. This has nothing more to do with black lives mattering then saving the whales.

The actual grievances, and actual message has been hijacked by this extremist group that by their own words in the clip want to bring down capitalism.

There's a valid point for "skepticism" of any given massive change but after a while the pent-up energy of the actual problem overwhelms everything. And very bad extremes start to happen.

Ending capitalism by pulling down a statue that is a tribute to emancipating the slaves; does what exactly for black lives?

NOW is our time to act. Before this sort of thing gets much, much worse. Remember: those who feel they have nothing to lose will not be easy to "bargain" with.

Sorry, this is lunacy in my point of view. I no longer care what BLM's message is at this point. I would rather stand with blacks that are arguing for actual issues in their communities.