Something doesn't feel right about BLM

[istodolez]

FYI there are more whites living in poverty in America than all other races combined.

Meaningless. Sorry. But if you want to talk about poverty and ethnicity you have to talk about them in relation to their proportion of the population.

In other words: OF WHITE PEOPLE what percentage are in poverty? OF BLACK PEOPLE what percentage are in poverty?

Here's your answer:

Source: Poverty Facts

Now, I'll explain to you why this consideratiOn is IMPORTANT. Because in America there are MORE WHITE PEOPLE THAN BLACK PEOPLE by a LONG SHOT. Black people only make up less than 15% of the US population. So OF COURSE there's more white people in poverty. But the key is that there's a HIGHER RATE OF BLACK POVERTY THAN WHITE POVERTY.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Some of them do. Others just have "excuses". To dismiss the challenges they face and reject the possibility that not everyone is capable of overcoming those challenges (for whatever reason) is pretty myopic.

Yes but this isn’t limited to only blacks. That’s just life in general for anyone of any race.

 

[LostMarbels]

Meaningless. Sorry. But if you want to talk about poverty and ethnicity you have to talk about them in relation to their proportion of the population.

Who is keeping them in poverty? Who is burning down their communities? Who is enacting legislation specifically targeting them? Encouraging youths to throw away their lives by committing felonies, and disincentivizing neighborhoods to economic growth? What business wants to start in an area where it might get burned to the ground?

Who is encouraging these actions? It has been going on for so long it appears as if they are kept in dependency of the state on purpose. (over a century actually)

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Yes but this isn’t limited to only blacks. That’s just life in general for anyone of any race.

And yet black people go to college at a lower rate than white people. This leads to a few hypotheses:

1. Black people face (on a percentage basis) more challenges than white people when it comes to getting to college.

2. Black people value education less than white people.

3. Black people are lazy.

The first hypothesis is held up by statistics, as has already been pointed out.

The second is certainly debatable. I would say that it's generally true in my experience, but that then begets the question "Why?" The answer to that ties back into the first hypothesis, I think.

The third hypothesis is racist. And that's the one that you seem to have adopted.

 

[jardiniere]

What race has not been incredibly violent and aggressive towards other races? Can you name one?

Can't read well? I'm sorry about that.

 

[istodolez]

Who is keeping them in poverty?

To no small extent: systemic racism.

Who is burning down their communities?

The people who have been shown decade after decade after decade that systemic racism is an integral part of our society and will not be changing anytime soon.

You know, people don't destroy their homes unless they are convinced that they don't actually have a stake in their home.

YOU wouldn't...so why would you assume THEY would?

Who is enacting legislation specifically targeting them?

Well, just off the top of my head, the GOP has done a LOT to push legislation that specifically disenfranchises black votes. You need look no further than the state of Alabama who, after the voting rights act was modified back a few years ago and pushes were made to increase voter ID the state of Alabama closed a bunch of DMV offices that, guess what? were in predominantly black rural areas meaning it was one step from openly saying "Black people, don't bother trying to vote here..."

Encouraging youths to throw away their lives by committing felonies

As noted earlier, an example is drug crime. White kids use and sell drugs (esp things like marijuana) at rates as high or higher than black kids...but black kids will systemically get harsher sentences than white kids.

Same crime, different justice.

Who is encouraging these actions?

Those of us in white America. WE are responsible for telling black people that they are not fully "us". We broke the social contract now we want them to honor it? Would YOU if it were being done to you?

It has been going on for so long it appears as if they are kept in dependency of the state on purpose. (over a century actually)

A century? You don't read much US history do you?

 

[BNR32FAN]

1. You appear to have misread the chart. There are 15.7 million whites in poverty, and 21.4 million for all other races combined. So you're wrong there.

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2. Your premise is wrong because it's useless to compare raw numbers when there are more white people in the United States than all other races combined (which is true - see the first column).

Yes my mistake I did misread the numbers. You prefer the percentages because they support your view but the numbers indicate that racism is not the cause of poverty because there are by far a lot more whites living in poverty than any other race. Why do you ignore this fact?

 

[jardiniere]

That is not really true. What we have in America are political factions/ideologies. It's not really about white or black. You bring up the KKK as if it is a racial thing, when in historical fact it was created by the Democratic Party to intimidate, and even murder people that were going to vote Republican. It became a racial issue because of slavers acting out against formers slaves. But, whites are/have been killed by the KKK.

Neo Nazis are white supremacist. The KKK is a Democratic political faction that uses fear to influence politics and votes.

The KKK are white supremacists. It doesn't matter if it was the Democrats doing it back then, or the Republicans doing it today -- it was, and is, white supremacy. That's terrorism and killing over the color of someone's god damn skin pigmentation.

 

[istodolez]

Yes my mistake I did misread the numbers. You prefer the percentages because they support your view but the numbers indicate that racism is not the cause of poverty because there are by far a lot more whites living in poverty than any other race. Why do you ignore this fact?

RATE is the key factor here.

It's called SYSTEMIC RACISM for a reason.

Look, I get it. You're not a numbers guy, you're not a stats person, you don't do statistical models for a living but why would you think that racism can only be shown if there are more black people by raw numbers in poverty than white people????

That's just weird.

If we have 100 people: 87 white and 13 black and we have 15% poverty rate in both populations then you'd have 13 poor white people and 2 poor black people. Would you then conclude that black people are BETTER OFF than white people???? That's absurd! They have the same poverty rate!!!

But in the case of the US and poverty we have 10% poverty rate in the white community and 2X that (20%) in the black community.

So raw numbers have no bearing on this discussion. Why would you assume they do????????

 

[LostMarbels]

To no small extent: systemic racism.

What system? What legislation? Who is creating the laws and system behind these racist actions?

YOU wouldn't...so why would you assume THEY would?

That is exactly my point. Minorities aren't idiots... they don't want their own communities razed either.

Who... is pushing for the violent, and illegal acts to continue at their expense?

Well, just off the top of my head, the GOP has done a LOT to push legislation that specifically disenfranchises black votes. You need look no further than the state of Alabama who, after the voting rights act was modified back a few years ago and pushes were made to increase voter ID the state of Alabama closed a bunch of DMV offices that, guess what? Were in predominantly black rural areas meaning it was one step from openly saying "Black people, don't bother trying to vote here..."

ID's.... that's the issue? ID's...

Why are ID's such an issue for black people? What am I to assume by this accusation? How is it blacks can't get an ID?

Not Jim Crow, black codes, segregation, yeah... none of that. The true issue of black communities is requiring ID to vote.

Those of us in white America. WE are responsible for telling black people that they are not fully "us". We broke the social contract now we want them to honor it? Would YOU if it were being done to you?

I wouldn't want to blame innocents... just whole hock blame each any every thing I can instead of the politicians that actually sign this legislation into law. That makes no sense. "White people" do not enact legislation. Congress and your state does. It is the people in our government that enact these legislatively racist issues that are to blame.

So again... in our American Government, who is pushing for these actions to continue?

As noted earlier, an example is drug crime. White kids use and sell drugs (esp things like marijuana) at rates as high or higher than black kids...but black kids will systemically get harsher sentences than white kids.

Same crime, different justice.

No kidding... Do you realize that even tho I am white, I did not legislate that? Whites do not have some secret bat phone they pick up, and order harsher legislation against blacks like they were ordering a pizza. Not how it works.

 

[LostMarbels]

The KKK are white supremacists. It doesn't matter if it was the Democrats doing it back then, or the Republicans doing it today -- it was, and is, white supremacy. That's terrorism and killing over the color of someone's god damn skin pigmentation.

They killed you to keep you from voting republican. Then they killed white republicans because they were attempting to get Blacks rights that undermined their ability to control that voting block. The KKK went after blacks that did not follow their rules. Called them 'uppity' and set examples. They are terrorist arm of the Democratic Party.

It wasn't that you were black. It was that you should still be someone's slave or property, and they were determined to continue 'owning them', one way or another. Arians and the like, actually believe in racial purity and superiority.

 

[gaara4158]

No there will be a difference when you separate statistics by race. They’ll be different every time. You can’t expect all races to have the exact same numbers across the board. That’s just ridiculous.

Why not? Why would one race’s performance differ significantly on average from any other race? What is it about race that determines so much of someone’s future?

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Yes my mistake I did misread the numbers. You prefer the percentages because they support your view but the numbers indicate that racism is not the cause of poverty because there are by far a lot more whites living in poverty than any other race. Why do you ignore this fact?

I prefer percentages because that's the scientific way of doing things. It has nothing to do with my views.

Nobody has claimed that racism is THE cause of poverty. Many things cause poverty. However, the fact that minorities experience poverty at a much greater rate than whites suggests that there is a racial factor in play as well. Statistics tell us that if you are black, you are more than twice as likely to be poor than if you were white. Why do you think that is?

 

[bèlla]

Why can't someone get an ID? Most states allow numerous documents to prove identity. I've never met anyone who didn't have a state ID or driver's license.

~Bella

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Why can't someone get an ID? Most states allow numerous documents to prove identity. I've never met anyone who didn't have a state ID or driver's license.

~Bella

Here's some reading on the topic: The Challenge of Obtaining Voter Identification

 

[Strathos]

What then would you think they could represent?

It's a figure of speech, meaning the far reaches of the earth, its entire extent. They could also represent the four cardinal directions.

 

[bèlla]

However, the fact that minorities experience poverty at a much greater rate than whites suggests that there is a racial factor in play as well.

If race is a factor. How do you account for people of color who aren't impoverished or afflicted with the challenges you've addressed? Why do some progress and others don't if race is a barrier?

~Bella

 

[JIMINZ]

It's a figure of speech, meaning the far reaches of the earth, its entire extent. They could also represent the four cardinal directions.

Could be, anything is possible, it's more than likely a metaphor.

 

[bèlla]

Here's some reading on the topic: The Challenge of Obtaining Voter Identification

Are you suggesting they lack the $8-$25 to obtain an ID or have limited access to transportation? They don't know a soul who could drive them there at all? Never ever?

There were always cars for hire in areas where taxis weren't plentiful. Or people who provided the service on the side. The Amish can get a ride!

~Bella

 

[RocksInMyHead]

If race is a factor. How do you account for people of color who aren't impoverished or afflicted with the challenges you've addressed? Why do some progress and others don't if race is a barrier?

~Bella

The same way I account for white people who are poor or otherwise afflicted with those challenges: there are other factors besides race in play. Race just happens to be a significant one, given the disparity in percentages.

If race isn't a factor, how do you account for the fact that people of color are disproportionately affected by poverty and the other challenges addressed?