Does believing Genesis is wrong make me a bad Christian?

[Andrewn]

I will leave all that with those people and pray God guides their study. I know God is real, Christ is the only way to eternal life and the Holy Spirit comforts us, teaches us, instructs us. My facts are based on faith, for others it might be through a microscope, that's upto them.

For some of us, God shows Himself in a microscope, a telescope, a cell culture, a human being, a blade of grass, etc. And of course, in the Bible and in a million other physical and spiritual forms.

Mat 6:22 “The eye is the lamp of the body. So then if your eye is sincere, your whole body will be full of light.

May He give us eyes to see.

 

[coffee4u]

So you’re saying that you don’t actually know what a science theory is . I’m going to suggest that instead of pandering to that unfair and inaccurate stereotype you’ve had , that you actually learn what a scientific theory is . First thing you need to learn is that they’re based on facts. There would be no theory of gravity, no germ theory, and no evolution theory, if there weren’t a lot of facts to support them .
And keep in mind that if a bit of data is found to be false , then it’s not a fact

Brightmoom it doesn't matter.
The only thing that matters is God.
Matthew 22:37
Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'
That is all that matters.
Proverbs 19:21
Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the Lord that will stand.
All this science of yours will be one day be burnt up and gone.
We don't need it.

 

[Brightmoon]

It does matter because that kind of ignorance can cost lives . There’s a true story movie called Something the Lord Made about the Black researcher Vivien Thomas who was instrumental in discovering how to save the lives of blue babies with holes in their hearts . He did surgical research in dogs . The movie focused on how racism blighted that man’s life but they did show him doing the surgical research. . If he hadn’t thousands of children would have died . And the only reason they used dogs was because they ARE related to us and their hearts are almost identical to a humans except for size. The movie isn’t on YouTube anymore but you can google him . Despite not actually being an MD he taught at Johns Hopkins and his portrait is in the front hall with other renowned doctors.

 

[coffee4u]

It does matter because that kind of ignorance can cost lives . There’s a true story movie called Something the Lord Made about the Black researcher Vivian Thomas who was instrumental in discovering how to save the lives of blue babies with holes in their hearts . He did surgical research in dogs . The movie focused on how racism blighted that man’s life but they did show him doing the surgical research. . If he hadn’t thousands of children would have died . And the only reason they used dogs was because they ARE related to us and their hearts are almost identical to a humans except for size. The movie isn’t on YouTube anymore but you can google him . Despite not actually being an MD he taught at Johns Hopkins and his portrait is in the front hall with other renowned doctors.View attachment 278743

I am all for medical research.

No, you (and others with your belief) say they are related to us through evolution, we do not. We believe all God's creation shows similarities because the same creator made all of us out of the same materials. You do not need a belief in evolution to do this research. The person just needs to have the skills and know that a dogs heart is very similar to a humans, that is all.
We have no issue with a dogs heart being nearly the same, its the story behind why its the same that matters. You see it as evolution, we see it as God being the creator, this background belief does not impact the research into saving babies, but it may impact the person's reasoning for doing the research.

 

[Andrewn]

It does matter because that kind of ignorance can cost lives . There’s a true story movie called Something the Lord Made about the Black researcher Vivian Thomas who was instrumental in discovering how to save the lives of blue babies with holes in their hearts .

The person just needs to have the skills and know that a dogs heart is very similar to a humans, that is all.

It's not a matter of skill but a matter of vision. People like DaVinci, Galileo, Newton, Jenner, Pasteur, Edison, Tesla and many many other scientists are true prophets who did great favors to humanity. I cannot separate their gifts from the Gift-Giver.

 

[coffee4u]

It's not a matter of skill but a matter of vision. People like DaVinci, Galileo, Newton, Jenner, Pasteur, Edison, Tesla and many many other scientists are true prophets who did great favors to humanity. I cannot separate their gifts from the Gift-Giver.

A person only needs a vision of saving lives. Their belief in creation or evolution should have nothing to do with the outcome of their work.

You are claiming those people are prophets? What do you have to back that up with?

 

[Brightmoon]

It's not a matter of skill but a matter of vision. People like DaVinci, Galileo, Newton, Jenner, Pasteur, Edison, Tesla and many many other scientists are true prophets who did great favors to humanity. I cannot separate their gifts from the Gift-Giver.

. Creationists seem to think that just because someone is an atheist that that makes him/her wrong and if someone is a creationist that makes him/her correct especially when it comes to science. And that’s definitely not true .Atheist Richard Dawkins is correct about evolution whether you agree with his stance on religion or not. Creationists Kent Hovind and Ken Ham are blatantly incorrect about science in general whether you are Christian or not . Biologists Francis Collins and Ken Miller are both devout Christians. They both accept an old earth and evolution and their science information is correct. None of their religious beliefs matter to the science information they present . Their science information is either confirmed as correct or not.

 

[Job 33:6]

. Creationists seem to think that just because someone is an atheist that that makes him/her wrong and if someone is a creationist that makes him/her correct especially when it comes to science. And that’s definitely not true .Atheist Richard Dawkins is correct about evolution whether you agree with his stance on religion or not. Creationists Kent Hovind and Ken Ham are blatantly incorrect about science in general whether you are Christian or not . Biologists Francis Collins and Ken Miller are both devout Christians. They both accept an old earth and evolution and their science information is correct. None of their religious beliefs matter to the science information they present . Their science information is either confirmed as correct or not.

But of course if young earthers can conflate science with atheism, without actually talking about the science itself, while a deceptive act, they can win more points with audiences.

The best way to deny science is really to just not talk about it.

In the Ken Ham/ bill bye debate, Ken Ham didn't talk about science, he just replied with "well the Bible says". And if you can throw atheists in the mix, then it clearly can temporarily sway the less scientifically informed community. At least until they decide to investigate science. Then only the brazen few ultra science denialists remain.

 

[Brightmoon]

And you have been seeing that happening. Pew research has shown lower and lower numbers of young earth creationists over the years . Once they get over their fear and investigate that’s when science wins. Unfortunately the creationists stance on giving out pseudoscience means that people lose their faith once they realize the pseudoscience and the lies

 

[Job 33:6]

And you have been seeing that happening. Pew research has shown lower and lower numbers of young earth creationists over the years . Once they get over their fear and investigate that’s when science wins. Unfortunately the creationists stance on giving out pseudoscience means that people lose their faith once they realize the pseudoscience and the lies

Yea, pretty much.

It's a tough position for the Christian community. Some YECs of course see modern science as a threat to Christianity as a whole. Much like uniformitarianism had threatened catastrophism (and ultimately crushed it), science very much is a threat to conservative Christian views.

But much like Donald Trump trying to revive the coal industry, sometimes people just have to learn to proceed with life and the future. Sometimes fate just has to play itself out, even if we have concerns or uncertainty about that destiny. The best way to survive change, is to embrace it.

 

[NBB]

Yea, pretty much.

It's a tough position for the Christian community. Some YECs of course see modern science as a threat to Christianity as a whole. Much like uniformitarianism had threatened catastrophism (and ultimately crushed it), science very much is a threat to conservative Christian views.

But much like Donald Trump trying to revive the coal industry, sometimes people just have to learn to proceed with life and the future. Sometimes fate just has to play itself out, even if we have concerns or uncertainty about that destiny. The best way to survive change, is to embrace it.

I always will have 'beef' with evolution though, because they said it *alone* can create us, God not needed at all... that the biggest lie ever. If God used evolution that is design by his hands too not evolution.

 

[Brightmoon]

I always will have 'beef' with evolution though, because they said it *alone* can create us, God not needed at all... that the biggest lie ever. If God used evolution that is design by his hands too not evolution.

that’s because you don’t understand science . It’s a process that lets us understand natural phenomena. It’s not supposed to be used for supernatural stuff . In fact it can’t be used for supernatural phenomena .
I’ll leave you with this quote from Pierre Laplace

 

[Livingstones2020]

that’s because you don’t understand science . It’s a process that lets us understand natural phenomena. It’s not supposed to be used for supernatural stuff . In fact it can’t be used for supernatural phenomena

But what if the supernatural is the correct view? I agree that we test a lot of things with science. But if God wants to suspend the laws of science, He could do so.

 

[Brightmoon]

But what if the supernatural is the correct view? I agree that we test a lot of things with science. But if God wants to suspend the laws of science, He could do so.

fine ! Now show evidence of that and we’ll accept it as scientific

 

[Livingstones2020]

You asking me to show you evidence from science of things that God can suspend in doing of the same thing? I don't think that is how it works. If God is real, He can suspend anything He wanted to, couldn't He? But let me ask you this: Do you believe any of the miracles in the Bible?

 

[Brightmoon]

Ok but don’t conflate a belief without evidence with a confirmed scientific fact . I told y’all before, I think of religion and science as oil and water.

 

[Livingstones2020]

Still did't answer my question. Do you believe any of the miracles in the Bible, such as the virgin birth or the resurrection?

 

[NBB]

that’s because you don’t understand science . It’s a process that lets us understand natural phenomena. It’s not supposed to be used for supernatural stuff . In fact it can’t be used for supernatural phenomena .
I’ll leave you with this quote from Pierre LaplaceView attachment 278772

But is not science the pursue of the truth? that evolutoin alone can make us is not truth at all.

 

[Brightmoon]

I don’t believe in any woman being a “virgin” as it’s just a woman who isn’t pregnant in biological terms . It’s a silly misogynistic concept and it needs to stop. There is a big difference between dogmas and facts . There are no dogmas in science . A scientist might say that as a joke but again there are no dogmas in science

 

[NBB]

fine ! Now show evidence of that and we’ll accept it as scientific

There is more evidence for design than for evolution... i can see some people gnashing of teeth when others says this, they become brutal, luckily we are among christians here,

but the world can't take it because they need an explanation that they like.