LDS Mormons Take Satan's Deception From Genesis

[Jamesone5]

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 9:10)

10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.

Endure---you only hope to be able to endure.
Which is far different than the Bible guaranteeing love will endure all things as in:
1 Corinthians 13:7
bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things

JS blindly referenced this verse now you Mormons have to live with it.

Andm if you still are not convinced here is another verse on endure


1 Corinthians 4:12
And we labor, working with our own hands. Being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we endure;

No hope about it at all.





You want to pretend to follow the Bible, deny that false Article of Faith, but then you would have to deny the whole church structure.

 

[He is the way]

Endure---you only hope to be able to endure.
Which is far different than the Bible guaranteeing love will endure all things as in:
1 Corinthians 13:7
bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things

JS blindly referenced this verse now you Mormons have to live with it.

Andm if you still are not convinced here is another verse on endure


1 Corinthians 4:12
And we labor, working with our own hands. Being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we endure;

No hope about it at all.





You want to pretend to follow the Bible, deny that false Article of Faith, but then you would have to deny the whole church structure.

This is what the Bible states:

(New Testament | 1 Thessalonians 5:8)

8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

 

[Jamesone5]

This is what the Bible states:

(New Testament | 1 Thessalonians 5:8)

8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

We hope to be able to endure all things

Joseph Smith

 

[He is the way]

We hope to be able to endure all things

Joseph Smith

That is indeed " the hope of salvation." as testified by the Bible.

 

[Jamesone5]

I have looked on the internet, and the best Hebrew concept would be:
Jesus is the complete revelation of God's person. Jesus Christ is God's very Self revealed.

So if God the Father is in heaven and has given Jesus all the power and authority to create and govern the world, how do we come to know God the Father?

Well, God the Father has sent his Son to the earth to help people get to know Jesus's God and Father (John 20:17). And the way that Jesus can do that is by being in God's express image, IOW his earthly body is revealing the very Person of God Himself. So that if you see Jesus, you in fact are seeing what God the Father is like.

Do you have another Hebrew answer for "express image"?

The answer is right there in what you quoted.

Christ is God's very "Self revealed". How can another God be revealing a complete revelation of God's Person?

 

[Jamesone5]

That is indeed " the hope of salvation." as testified by the Bible.

You are getting way ahead of yourself----we need to endure before we can find the hope of salvation. People that have not endured in their Faith are a evidence of that. Like the Parable of the Four soils -----do you think someone who first found Christ and then did not endure temptation have the right to then hope for salvation?

As I said "what a wacky Religion of Mormonism"

 

[He is the way]

You are getting way ahead of yourself----we need to endure before we can find the hope of salvation. People that have not endured in their Faith are a evidence of that. Like the Parable of the Four soils -----do you think someone who first found Christ and then did not endure temptation have the right to then hope for salvation?

As I said "what a wacky Religion of Mormonism"

Why would we want to endure if there is no HOPE? You are getting the cart before the horse. We need hope:

(New Testament | Romans 15:13)

13 Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.

 

[Jamesone5]

Why would we want to endure if there is no HOPE? You are getting the cart before the horse. We need hope:

(New Testament | Romans 15:13)

13 Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.

Indeed, why would anyone want to endure if they cannot find true hope? or even recognize it?

Those thing like true joy and peace IN believing are the product of hope. That ye may [then] abound in hope.

Once again and with the Biblical example:


Matthew 13:20-21
20 But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles

Although this man received the word with a certain joy ---he stumbled because he could not endure tribulation or persecution.

 

[He is the way]

Indeed, why would anyone want to endure if they cannot find true hope? or even recognize it?

Those thing like true joy and peace IN believing are the product of hope. That ye may [then] abound in hope.

Once again and with the Biblical example:


Matthew 13:20-21
20 But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles

Although this man received the word with a certain joy ---he stumbled because he could not endure tribulation or persecution.

So far I have been able to endure the tribulation and persecution in my life because of my hope in Christ and the resurrection:

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:16 - 22)

16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

 

[Jamesone5]

So far I have been able to endure the tribulation and persecution in my life because of my hope in Christ and the resurrection:

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:16 - 22)

16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

You say "so far".

And then you have just hope you can make it rest of the way?

Remember your A of Faith says

We hope to be able to endure all things

Joseph Smith

 

[He is the way]

You say "so far".

And then you have just hope you can make it rest of the way?

Remember your A of Faith says

We hope to be able to endure all things

Joseph Smith

That is right. How is your endurance holding up?

 

[Jamesone5]

That is right. How is your endurance holding up?

My endurance is holding up just fine, but then I have the strength of True Christ to help me. Just this week I had a flood in my basement which I finally got cleaned up with little damage and Christ gave me the strength to endure that little problem.

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me


While a Mormons just has hope in themselves to endure.

 

[He is the way]

My endurance is holding up just fine, but then I have the strength of True Christ to help me. Just this week I had a flood in my basement which I finally got cleaned up with little damage and Christ gave me the strength to endure that little problem.

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me


While a Mormons just has hope in themselves to endure.

That is the hope of salvation:

(New Testament | 1 Thessalonians 5:8)

8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

 

[Jamesone5]

That is the hope of salvation:

(New Testament | 1 Thessalonians 5:8)

8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

And you are holding up so far---as you said.

We'll both see in the end won't we?

 

[He is the way]

And you are holding up so far---as you said.

We'll both see in the end won't we?

Yes we will.

 

[Jamesone5]

Yes we will.

2 Timothy 2:3
You therefore must endure hardship as a good soldier of Jesus Christ

No mention of hope to endure in that verse.

 

[Peter1000]

A Mormon paraphrase--which means YOUR interpretation?
Give me a break as those verses do not mean what you think they mean

You are just trying to confuse the issue away from his own False expectations.
I deal with real words in this case, which are:

and hope to be able to endure all things--- Mormon A of Faith

Versus

endures all things.--Bible

Did you read any of those scriptures. They make your argument into mush.

Paul 'hopes' for salvation!!!!!!!
Paul 'hopes' for eternal life!!!!!!!


Do you 'hope' for salvation, OR is your salvation 'guaranteed'? Who do I believe, you or Paul?
Do you 'hope' for eternal life, OR is your eternal life 'guaranteed'? Who do I believe, you or Paul?

The theology of 'hoping to endure to the end', is similar to 'hoping' for savlation and eternal life. IOW JS and Paul are saying the same things and would agree with each other.

So enough of this silly endure to the end, vs we hope to endure to the end nonsense.

 

[He is the way]

2 Timothy 2:3
You therefore must endure hardship as a good soldier of Jesus Christ

No mention of hope to endure in that verse.

Well at least one of us has HOPE of salvation:

(New Testament | 1 Thessalonians 5:8)

8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

 

[Jamesone5]

Well at least one of us has HOPE of salvation:

(New Testament | 1 Thessalonians 5:8)

8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

Where did you get the false idea that I have no hope for salvation?

You trying to speak for me again?

And HOPE won't do you any good if you have false hope to be able to endure to the end.

You can hope for a lot of things but if you have not the True Christ and His Promise to strengthen you---it will all come crumbling down on you

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me

 

[Jamesone5]

Did you read any of those scriptures. They make your argument into mush.

Paul 'hopes' for salvation!!!!!!!
Paul 'hopes' for eternal life!!!!!!!


Do you 'hope' for salvation, OR is your salvation 'guaranteed'? Who do I believe, you or Paul?
Do you 'hope' for eternal life, OR is your eternal life 'guaranteed'? Who do I believe, you or Paul?

The theology of 'hoping to endure to the end', is similar to 'hoping' for savlation and eternal life. IOW JS and Paul are saying the same things and would agree with each other.

So enough of this silly endure to the end, vs we hope to endure to the end nonsense.

uh, On this site I recently put you on ignore and just clicked to the ignored messages and found this gem.

Seems as if you don't like your own hope to be able endure aspect in you very own Articles of Faith but yet argue against it for whatever reason you do. [could it be that truth hurts]?

So enough of this silly endure to the end, vs we hope to endure to the end nonsense.----Peter1000

I am still scratching my head on this one----as I did show you that you hope to be able endure as your Article of Faith says. Even quoted the exact words in bold. And are you the moderator who can tell me enough?

The solution is very simple---If you do not like my messages that seem to hurt you----simply put me on "Ignore". Obviously my post are taking some kind of effect, because you read part of them. And as I say, "truth hurts" but only for awhile until you find the True Christ.