Are You of Israel?

[ChetSinger]

as opposed to the 1050 commands of the NT?
1,050 New Testament Commands | Christian Assemblies International

Is it your claim that God has had a limit placed on what He can say now?

Those "600" commands include "do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7 and "Honor your father and mother" Ex 20:12 ... are those the parts of God's word that Christians need to avoid in your POV?

So do you follow all 600 of them or do you pick and choose?

 

[HARK!]

This tells me that you're not actually following the Mosaic law at all; you're picking and choosing. Am I right? There are ultra-orthodox Jews today who don't pick and choose, but labor to follow the entire thing. I think they're misguided but I do acknowledge their zeal.

If you understood the law you wouldn't have asked that. I thought that she made it perfectly cleat that not all laws apply to everyone; but since you're have difficulty understanding that concept I'll frame it a little more clearly.

At what time did Leviticus 16:24 ever apply to anyone but one man alone?

So if you're picking and choosing which of Moses' laws you're going to follow, why not make it easy on yourself by focusing on the laws set down by Jesus and the apostles in the new covenant, called the "law of Christ"? That's what my church teaches. What does yours teach?

The law of Christ is the law that he preached for his entire ministry. It is the law that he said will not pass away. It is the law that he was following; when he called us to follow his example. It is the law that he was obedient to, unto death, on the torture stake. It is his father's law. It is his father's nature. It's perfect. It's the law that YHWH gave to Moses.

 

[HARK!]

So do you follow all 600 of them or do you pick and choose?

The greatest commandment covers them all. If you love YHWH; you'll keep his commandments; so it is written.

The two great commandments are a summary of the Decalogue. The greatest commandment covers the first part of the Decalogue; and the second greatest commandment covers the second part of the Decalogue.

The Decalogue is a summary of the 613. The 613 are a summary of what should be written on our hearts.

Before you try to pick the speck from your brothers eye; why don't you tell us which ones you pick and choose?

 

[Davy]

How is it possible to read Hosea and conclude that God is talking about any but Israel, most notably the northern kingdom? The Gentile nations are only mentioned as "lovers" that Israel sought after?

I just showed you; I don't take time to quote Bible Scripture here for nothing...


Apostle Paul speaking to Roman Gentile believers:

Rom 9:24-26
24 Even us, whom He hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25 As He saith also in Osee, "I will call them My people, which were not My people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, 'Ye are not My people'; there shall they be called the children of the living God."
KJV

Paul was quoting from the Book of Hosea there. That "Osee" is just a Greek translation for Hosea.

Here's the Hosea passage Apostle Paul was quoting:

Hos 1:10
10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
KJV

Paul applied that ALSO to the Gentiles in the above Romans 9:24-26 Scripture.

 

[Davy]

You mention these verses like we don't believe knowing Yeshua is a great part of our Salvation story. We do and we believe also in His Kingdom which He announced on Mount Sinai. He will come to rule by those rules too. Those that were on parchment will have modifications like some mentioned in Hebrews. But those on stone are eternal, unmoveable, and in the hearts of His believers forever.

It's not just about 'also' believing on Him. It is... ALL ABOUT believing on Him.

The law and the prophets are not a replacement nor substitution for that belief, instead, the law and the prophets testify of Him so that the hearer can BELIEVE ON HIM and be saved. Therefore...

Until... one admits Him and believes on Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ, confessing Him with their tongue, then they are still doomed to perish.

 

[Randy777]

If you are not of Israel; you are not in covenant with YHWH.


(CLV) Hb 8:8
For, blaming them, He is saying, "Lo! the days are coming," the Lord is saying, "And I shall be concluding with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant,

Notice that it doesn't say one covenant for Jews and another for Pagans. There is only one covenant with Israel, in Yahshua. Let's read on:

(CLV) Hb 8:9
Not in accord with the covenant which I make with their fathers In the day of My taking hold of their hand To be leading them out of the land of Egypt, Seeing that they do not remain in My covenant, And I neglect them," the Lord is saying,

(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

If you are not of Israel Yahshua wasn't commissioned for you.

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, [Yahshua] answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

OH! OH! But WE'RE grafted IN! Grafted into what?

(CLV) Ro 11:17
Now if some of the boughs are broken out, yet you, being a wild olive, are grafted among them, and became joint participant of the root and fatness of the olive,

What is this olive tree?

(CLV) Jer 11:16
A flourishing olive tree, lovely with shapely fruit, Yahweh had called your name; But with the sound of a great din, He will ravage its leaves with fire, And its branches will be smashed.

(CLV) Jer 11:17
Yahweh of hosts Who planted you has decreed evil against you owing to the evil of the house of Israel and the house of Judah, which they have done for themselves to provoke Me to vexation by fuming incense to Baal.

We are Abraham's seed and heirs.
If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

You seemed obsessed with the law over and over again.

"God" gave the right for those who believe in Jesus to be called the children of God.

And the new covenant written on the heart is by the Spirit of Christ. As in the inward circumcision of the Spirit.

Those who have that circumcision know Jesus and the Father and are one with Jesus.

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

The covenant God spoke of beforehand.
No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, 'Know the Lord,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest

We are not free to sin.
The commandments Jesus testified to.
You know the commandments: 'You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.'"

 

[visionary]

It's not just about 'also' believing on Him. It is... ALL ABOUT believing on Him.

The law and the prophets are not a replacement nor substitution for that belief, instead, the law and the prophets testify of Him so that the hearer can BELIEVE ON HIM and be saved. Therefore...

Until... one admits Him and believes on Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ, confessing Him with their tongue, then they are still doomed to perish.

Agree, but in believing in Him, you are also to declare He is King of the Jews, Lord of the Sabbath, Lord of Lords, God in the flesh, and King of Israel. You see if all you believe is that He died to take the penalty of sin from you, you are missing out on the whole picture of who Yeshua is. You can not define sin without the Law of God [The Ten Commandments].
Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

 

[HARK!]

It's not just about 'also' believing on Him. It is... ALL ABOUT believing on Him.

Can you believe in him without knowing him?

(CLV) 1Jn 2:4
He who is saying that I know him, and is not keeping his precepts, is a liar; and the truth of The God, is not in this one.

 

[HARK!]

And the new covenant written on the heart is by the Spirit of Christ.

YHWH did not make a promise to write his covenant on your heart. Let's see what he said that he would write there:

(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

(CLV) 1Jn 2:4
He who is saying that I know him, and is not keeping his precepts, is a liar; and the truth of The God, is not in this one.

 

[Randy777]

YHWH did not make a promise to write his covenant on your heart. Let's see what he said that he would write there:

(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.



(CLV) 1Jn 2:4
He who is saying that I know him, and is not keeping his precepts, is a liar; and the truth of The God, is not in this one.

I know Jesus. Do you? I know the commandments Jesus spoke of as I read them in the NT did you?
So the covenant God is directly speaking of preceding the speaking of writing on the hearts of the people is NOT God writing the covenant on the hearts of the people? As in the inward circumcision Paul wrote about. I think I disagree with you. You preach a different gospel message. I preach Christ crucified and the hearts of the people are purified by faith not in observing the law as in sabbath day observance, circumcision, Passover etc..

Not taking into account all the offerings commanded by the law. It wasn't those offerings that caused the curtain in the temple to be torn in two. Showing access to the holy of hollies was it?

 

[visionary]

2 Timothy 3:16 says: "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness".

 

[HARK!]

So the covenant God is directly speaking of preceding the speaking of writing on the hearts of the people is NOT God writing the covenant on the hearts of the people?

If YHWH wanted to say that he was going to write his covenant on our hearts; I'm sure he would have said so. He didn't.

 

[HARK!]

You preach a different gospel message.

Proof?

 

[nolidad]

YHWH didn't make his covenant with the Jews. He made it with Israel. The Pagan mixed multitude entered covenant; and they became Israel.


(CLV) Ex 19:1
In the third month after the going forth of the sons of Israel from the land of Egypt, on this day they entered the wilderness of Sinai.

Now you are straining at gnats! Jews is simply another name for Israel, when referring to physical Israel. Yes we know the breakup and we have Israel and Judah, but the old covenant was made with the whole house of Israel(all 12 tribes)

The new covenant also is made with the whole house of Israel

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

And no, gentiles can never be Israel.

 

[1213]

If the women of Canaan and Samaria were Gentiles it would have been against God's commission to go only to the house of Israel. But because Jesus was obedient in all things these women were most certainly Israelites.

Please show the scripture that tells it would be against his commission to speak to other than Israeli?

 

[nolidad]

Who else wants to relate the new covenant to who is Israel? Yes or No question is my assumption of your prophetic view correct? By looking at prophecy we can see that spiritual Israel is those who have accepted the new covenant and that national Israel exists and has a destiny.

No Jew ever made it to to Abraham's bosom without having faith. The Bible teaches Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness. When Lazarus died and went to Abraham's bosom we see a multitude in there in either of two places, comfort or fire. In Rev 5 we see a multitude in heaven singing to the lamb has been worthy to take the scrolls and open the seals proclaiming that they have been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb out of every tribe tongue kindred and nation. Now this shows redemption was only by the blood of Jesus from Adam to the end. And they made it from every tribe, tongue kindred and nation. So the law was a prophetic device and the blood of animals had no effect apart from faith in God.

I agree! All from Adam to the last human get saved by grace, through faith. The objectr of faith has varied in the various dispensations, but it was still based on the shed blood of Jesus.

The sin offerings of the OT only covered the sins- Jesus' blood removes sin! But we also know that until Jesus was revealed as Messiah, no one had the knowledge of Jesus as Messiah! They knew a Messiah was coming, but I do agree righteousness has always been imputed by the revelation of god!

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Please show the scripture that tells it would be against his commission to speak to other than Israeli?

He was sent to minister to the house of Israel only. He could speak to whoever he wanted.

 

[Randy777]

Proof?

You preach righteousness based on the law. Even suggesting or stating those that don't adhere to the law are sinners. As in those born again don't continue to sin.
Christ Crucified puts importance in the blood not works of the law.
As in
And they sang a new song, saying: "You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.

As I stated Paul rebuked wickedness.

As In
Jesus-
You know the commandments: 'You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.'"


But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed.

 

[HARK!]

(CLV) Jn 7:17
If anyone should be wanting to be doing His will, he will know concerning the teaching, whether it is of God or I am speaking from Myself.

You preach righteousness based on the law.

(CLV) Mt 5:20
For I am saying to you that, if ever your righteousness should not be superabounding more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, by no means may you be entering into the kingdom of the heavens.

Definition of righteous
1 : acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin
Definition of RIGHTEOUS

Even suggesting or stating those that don't adhere to the law are sinners.

(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin is doing lawlessness also, and sin is lawlessness.

As in those born again don't continue to sin.

(CLV) 1Jn 3:9
Everyone who is begotten of God is not doing sin, for His seed is remaining in him, and he can not be sinning, for he is begotten of God.

 

[Randy777]

(CLV) Jn 7:17
If anyone should be wanting to be doing His will, he will know concerning the teaching, whether it is of God or I am speaking from Myself.



(CLV) Mt 5:20
For I am saying to you that, if ever your righteousness should not be superabounding more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, by no means may you be entering into the kingdom of the heavens.

Definition of righteous
1 : acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin
Definition of RIGHTEOUS



(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin is doing lawlessness also, and sin is lawlessness.



(CLV) 1Jn 3:9
Everyone who is begotten of God is not doing sin, for His seed is remaining in him, and he can not be sinning, for he is begotten of God.

Yes we are not free to sin

You know the commandments: 'You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.'"

Jesus preached this to those who held high importance in the law.

Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.