Is this injustice?

[bling]

No one deserves mercy.

I am not saying anything about: "Some people deserve mercy", just God has obligated Himself by saying: "Christ as a human on earth is just like I would be", "God is Love", "God does not lie", God is merciful, God is just, and so on.

 

[Hammster]

We are saved by grace, it is the free gift of God, it is not based on anything that you have done. You receive this gift by faith and God is righteous and just to save you.

Again, none of this has anything to do with the OP, if this is what the OP intended they should have been clear the the judgement of the sinners was determining eternal salvation.

My apologies. I assumed that folks would understand that salvation/damnation was the focus.

 

[Kenny'sID]

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Merit?

I understood your comment to mean that is all we need be concerned with (acting right) when it is not.

I assumed you knew there were other stipulations, but maybe not.

 

[Hammster]

Merit?

I understood your comment to mean that is all we need be concerned with (acting right) when it is not.

I assumed you knew there were other stipulations, but maybe not.

Again, I don’t know what you believe, and your answer sounds like we are saved by merit.

 

[ZNP]

My apologies. I assumed that folks would understand that salvation/damnation was the focus.

Then there is no basis to say that some people will not be saved because God doesn't show them mercy.

9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”[e] 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”[f]

God would be unrighteous if I call on the name of the Lord and then receive eternal damnation. If God is unrighteous his Kingdom will not stand. The Kingdom is built and established on righteousness.

Our salvation is based on a covenant we have with God. Verses about God loving Jacob and hating Esau or showing mercy to whom He will show mercy do not apply to a covenant. That is a legally binding contract.

 

[Hammster]

Then there is no basis to say that some people will not be saved because God doesn't show them mercy.

9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”[e] 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”[f]

God would be unrighteous if I call on the name of the Lord and then receive eternal damnation. If God is unrighteous his Kingdom will not stand. The Kingdom is built and established on righteousness.

Yes, everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. No argument here.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Again, I don’t know what you believe, and your answer sounds like we are saved by merit.

Then I guess you aren't aware of what the bible states on the matter after all.

Merit when it comes to obedience. Loving God. having faith....the things that I don't consider works. Asking forgiveness of sin, making serious effort not to sin. Knowing we don't deserve salvation and it is a gift from God, and such.

 

[Hammster]

Then I guess you aren't aware of what the bible states on the matter after all.

Merit when it comes to obedience. Loving God. having faith....the things that I don't consider works. Asking forgiveness of sin, making serious effort not to sin. Knowing we don't deserve salvation and it is a gift from God, and such.

I know what a believer should do. But none of that merits salvation.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

Explain to me Matt, 18:21-35

Parables were made to confuse certain people and enlighten others. If you're confused about it, then you need prayer more than an explanation.

 

[bling]

He hasn’t obligated Himself to be love. He is love.

He has obligated Himself to be what He says He is which is Love (the same thing).

 

[bling]

Parables were made to confuse certain people and enlighten others. If you're confused about it, then you need prayer more than an explanation.

I have no problem understanding the parable, but people with a different understanding of mercy, forgiveness, love, charity and man's part cannot explain it.

 

[jasonMalloy1999]

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What if none repented?

en none would be saved

 

[renniks]

The reason He didn’t save the five was because they were sinners who deserved wrath.

Why? Because they were born that way or because they chose to sin?

 

[bling]

Yes morality and consistency are inseparably linked.

The way the question is framed suggests the OP wants to question God's morality.

The question itself is foolish and not designed to learn about Him, but to tease brains to no fruitful outcome.

There is no such thing as God being unjust.

There is no such thing as identical people.

We would be better spending time and energy on real issues that will impact our eternal destiny.

Are they different because they made different free will choices or because God makes different robots?

 

[renniks]

He saves you because He’s the reason you called upon Him.

So, let me get this straight: God irresistibly imposes faith on some so he can save them, and ignores others because he doesn't want to save them? Is this really the good news?
Because I thought the good news was that he died once for all.

 

[bling]

The OP scenario highlights the absolute unmerited nature of God's grace. I think it's an excellent thought experiment for the purpose of thinking about God's grace. But, I doubt it is a one-for-one representation of reality. It's too sparse. Then again, is grace merited? I don't want to say that.

Grace/mercy/Love is offered to all mature adults, but some make the free will choice to be macho, hang in there, pay the piper and take the punishment they fully deserve, while others wimp out, give up and surrender to their enemy while He is still their enemy in hopes of being extended just some undeserved pure charity form their enemy even though they feel they should be tortured to death for previous war crimes. They are just humbly willing to accept pure charity.

 

[bling]

I never really wrestle with questions like this, because I'm well aware of my own limitations and perspectives. What may appear to me illogical at one point, becomes perfectly logical when new information is added. Even if we assume that everything about the 10 people is exactly equal and God then punishes only 5 (perhaps he decided alphabetically by last name or even randomly grabbed the closest 5 or did it by eye color...see how silly this gets.) In any case no matter the criteria 5 were chosen. Was this unjust? Frankly we don't have the perspective to say either yes or no. If I squish 5 spiders and put another 5 outside, from the spiders perspective this is "unjust" from my view I had reasons. So was it unjust? Is God being unjust? It would be arrogant for me to assume I could say.

You might want to read some of my posts.

 

[Hammster]

He has obligated Himself to be what He says He is which is Love (the same thing).

He doesn’t obligate Himself. He is who He is.

 

[Hammster]

then none would be saved

Repentance is indicative of being born again.

 

[Hammster]

Why? Because they were born that way or because they chose to sin?

They sin. God punishes sin.