Is this injustice?

[Hammster]

the question is not valid. It shows an utter lack of understanding of the Gospel. But anyone is free to go down any path they choose..

Since God choses who will be saved, it’s spot on.

 

[Charlie24]

So did they repent, resulting in mercy? Or did they repent as a result of his mercy?

If they repented as a result of His mercy, it wouldn't be genuine repentance.

 

[concretecamper]

Since God choses who will be saved, it’s spot on.

it is out in right field. Again, show utter lack of understanding of the Gospel.

 

[Hammster]

such an ignorant response from a staff member Remember we are to emulate Christ.

It was ironic that someone spent time complaining about wasting time on this thread. I think my response was in line.

 

[Hammster]

If they repented as a result of His mercy, it wouldn't be genuine repentance.

Of course it would be.

 

[concretecamper]

It was ironic that someone spent time complaining about wasting time on this thread. I think my response was in line.

the proposition is wasting time. Everyone is just calling it out.

 

[Hammster]

it is out in right field. Again, show utter lack of understanding of the Gospel.

It’s biblical and shows a great understanding of the gospel.

(your turn)

 

[Hammster]

the proposition is wasting time. Everyone is just calling it out.

And yet, here you are.

 

[jacks]

I never really wrestle with questions like this, because I'm well aware of my own limitations and perspectives. What may appear to me illogical at one point, becomes perfectly logical when new information is added. Even if we assume that everything about the 10 people is exactly equal and God then punishes only 5 (perhaps he decided alphabetically by last name or even randomly grabbed the closest 5 or did it by eye color...see how silly this gets.) In any case no matter the criteria 5 were chosen. Was this unjust? Frankly we don't have the perspective to say either yes or no. If I squish 5 spiders and put another 5 outside, from the spiders perspective this is "unjust" from my view I had reasons. So was it unjust? Is God being unjust? It would be arrogant for me to assume I could say.

 

[public hermit]

Either way, since He’s not obligated to save anyone, it’s not injustice to save some.

You're right. God is not obligated to save any. Justice, according to the idea that all have sinned and fallen short, means that all are under condemnation. God would be just if God saved none. That would be just because none have deserved salvation, according to that line of thought. But if God's saving some is not based in something other than a capricious choice on the part of God, then it is arbitrary.

So, to your initial point, it may seem arbitrary to us but actually not be. But if it only seems that way, then there is some reason for saving the five that is not revealed in the scenario, something other than random, arbitrary choice. Unless I am mistaken, the whole purpose of the scenario is to highlight the unmerited nature of grace. But if grace is unmerited, then why not extend it to everyone? If there is no reason for extending it to everyone, then we are back to a capricious God who makes arbitrary choices.

 

[concretecamper]

It’s biblical and shows a great understanding of the gospel.

(your turn)

maybe you just assumed you provided biblical proof.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Last I checked, nobody made you respond.

How did you check that ???

 

[concretecamper]

I think the OP is trying to be witty. Failing miserably, but trying.

 

[Hammster]

You're right. God is not obligated to save any. Justice, according to the idea that all have sinned and fallen short, means that all are under condemnation. God would be just if God saved none. That would be just because none have deserved salvation, according to that line of thought. But if God's saving some is not based in something other than a capricious choice on the part of God, then it is arbitrary.

So, to your initial point, it may seem arbitrary to us but actually not be. But if it only seems that way, then there is some reason for saving the five that is not revealed in the scenario, something other than random, arbitrary choice. Unless I am mistaken, the whole purpose of the scenario is to highlight the unmerited nature of grace. But if grace is unmerited, then why not extend it to everyone? If there is no reason for extending it to everyone, then we are back to a capricious God who makes arbitrary choices.

If he extended it to everyone, what wouldn’t we know about Him?

 

[concretecamper]

And yet, here you are.

sort of like a car wreck on the highway. Everyone slows down to look.

 

[Hammster]

maybe you just assumed you provided biblical proof.

I don’t believe I’ve shown any.

 

[concretecamper]

I don’t believe I’ve shown any.

what a surprise.

 

[Hammster]

sort of like a car wreck on the highway. Everyone slows down look.

I can understand that.

 

[Hammster]

what a surprise.

Why is that? Did I make some sort of claim that I did or would?

 

[concretecamper]

I can understand that.

I know, I'm gotta stick around and watch this one.