Why no news about Climetgate ?

[greatcloudlives]

CO2 and temperature both were much higher than now when dinosaurs romed the Earth.

 

[Occams Barber]

Why was it warmer in the thirties then it is now ? BTW you have to look at the satellite graphs to see this.

SOURCE: 1934 is the hottest year on record
The year 1934 was a very hot year in the United States, ranking sixth behind 2012, 2016, 2015, 2006, and 1998. However, global warming takes into account temperatures over the entire planet, including the oceans. The land area of the U.S. accounts for only 2% of Earth's total surface area. Despite the U.S. sweltering in 1934, that year was not especially hot over the rest of the planet, as you can see on the 1934 map below. Globally, 1934 temperatures were actually cooler than average for the 20th century.
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When you're looking at climate change you need to look at long term trends over the entire planet (including the oceans). Not some cherry picked data about US temperatures in 1934.
OB

 

[greatcloudlives]

The satellite data would disagree with you.

 

[pitabread]

CO2 is good for life on Earth like water is. It's essential to photosynthesis in plants.

Too much CO2 displaces oxygen and causes oxygen breathing organisms to suffocate.

This has actually happened: Lake Nyos disaster - Wikipedia

 

[Occams Barber]

The satellite data would disagree with you.

There was no satellite data in 1934 because there were no satellites.

OB

 

[greatcloudlives]

The global temperature and CO2 levels were much higher than what they are now when dinosaurs romed the Earth.

 

[greatcloudlives]

For the thirties and before there is geological evidence. The temperatures put out now are fudged by NOAA and NASA. Today's data are not the highest on record not even close to before the end of the last ice age.

 

[Shemjaza]

The global temperature and CO2 levels were much higher than what they are now when dinosaurs romed the Earth.

That's an established fact... what point are you trying to make?

 

[greatcloudlives]

Simply that this modern warming trend is nothing out of the ordinary. The Medevial Warming Period , the Roman Warming Period and the Holocene Maximum were all higher than the modren warm period in global temperature. They also were all 1500 years apart from each other.

 

[Occams Barber]

Simply that this modern warming trend is nothing out of the ordinary. The Medevial Warming Period , the Roman Warming Period and the Holocene Maximum were all higher than the modren warm period in global temperature. They also were all 1500 years apart from each other.

No climate scientist is going to argue that there haven't been hotter or cooler or wetter or drier periods in the past. Past climate change came from natural causes and took hundreds or thousands of years for the effects to accumulate. This gave plants and animals time to adjust.

The current problem is basically caused by excessive CO2 in the atmosphere. We are responsible for this CO2 through the burning of carbon based fossil fuels. While past change took thousands of years this change is happening within decades. The result is a host of effects like bushfires, drought, increased storm intensity, rising sea levels, increased air and sea temperatures etc. which have placed plants and animals (including human animals) at risk with little time to adjust to the multiple impacts of rising temperatures.

What is "out of the ordinary" is the sheer speed at which things are happening. That, and the fact that we can, if we try, actually control the level of damage.

OB

 

[Shemjaza]

Simply that this modern warming trend is nothing out of the ordinary. The Medevial Warming Period , the Roman Warming Period and the Holocene Maximum were all higher than the modren warm period in global temperature. They also were all 1500 years apart from each other.

I'm pretty sure neither the Roman nor Mediaeval were global phenomena.

But it's also totally irrelevant. If I can demonstrate that forest fires can happen naturally that doesn't mean that evidence for arson no longer applies.

Also the current trend of warming is both faster than ancient examples and the carbon dioxide diving it can be linked to human activity.

 

[greatcloudlives]

First of all all the Warming Period are global and the onset was rapid just like the modren warm period. The trend of hurricanes and tornadoes is downward not increasing. The malcovich cycles are responsible for the warming periods. The earth is at the baking point and it will be over in a few hundred years like all the other warming periods. Which were just as global as the one we have now. J

 

[greatcloudlives]

The information you have is from biased sorces promoting a political agenda for socialism not science.

The wavelength co2 operates in is too small for it to cause the warming. According to the ice core data co2 always follows temperature change never leads.

 

[Shemjaza]

Got any sources to back up those assertions?

 

[VirOptimus]

The conspiracy subforum is that way. —>

 

[pitabread]

Simply that this modern warming trend is nothing out of the ordinary.

Yes it is. While the climate does change naturally over time, what are currently seeing is a much more rapid change than otherwise would occur (save for a natural disaster of some kind). And when it comes to climate, only bad things happen quickly.

This is why anthropogenic climate change is a concern.

 

[WolfGate]

The Dunning-Kruger effect is on full display.

 

[Kylie]

According to the satellite graphs it was warmer in the thirties then now.

Yes, I'm sure the satellite graphs from the 1930s show this.

 

[greatcloudlives]

The polor bear population is increasing and is not being jepordized by warming. There are no other species threatened by warming. Warming allows species a greater range of habitat.

Water vapor absorbs more heat than co2. Plants thrive in co2 levels many times higher than now.

 

[sjastro]

The polor bear population is increasing and is not being jepordized by warming............

How do you know this, by comparing with polar bear satellite photos from the 1930s?