How to prove that GOD exists from a scientific point of view?

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Trees and mountains are demonstrably real now, so your point is completely meaningless.
Not the way mountains were talked about in Scripture, being covered in water! No trees grow in weeks now to fruition as a general rule. Neither do spirits marry women and have kids and homes here. Nor do men live a thousand years now.
Actually, no. You're the one making positive claims (spirits were/are real) so you're the one who needs evidence.
Spiritual things need spiritual evidence. We have that in spades! You actually have no evidence either way so make no claims.
 
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I have met Jesus because of their testimony and we know it is true. Millions have met Jesus, He is still alive and well. He has said that He will come in and be part of our lives if asked. So it is by the living proof that we know, not just the testimony of holy men and women giving their lives to verify they were telling the truth.

People say that about all religions. Christianity is nothing special in that regard, and I find your claims about it just as convincing as you find the claims of those in other religions.

Most men on earth in all ages know the spiritual works.

Argument from popularity. Just because lots of people share the belief, doesn't make it true.

No such thing as far as spirits go! Why make stuff up? Who are you gonna call to analyze a ghost exactly?

Yeah, no one could EVER have a reason to make up something that can't be checked in any way whatsoever! :rolleyes:

Because it does work millions have tested and proven it.

The number of people who have tested it and come to a different conclusion (ie, non-Christians) is far higher. Perhaps you might not want to rely on argument from popularity.

Yes, there is. If we check out Jesus and He is real, it is all true!

I know loads of people who have checked and found nothing.

They can be and are and have been and continue to be. Science cannot verify or deny. It would be foolish to apply physical scientific methods to the spiritual!

You seem to not understand the words "science" and "verify."

Fine. He was right. Belief in Jesus or what some call religion has a great track record of charity.

we weren't talking about charity.

Seriously, dude, do you not pay attention to the posts you are responding to?

Ok, if I had noticed that I would probably not have been all that interested.

You responded to it! Obviously you noticed it!
 
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Spiritual things need spiritual evidence. We have that in spades! You actually have no evidence either way so make no claims.

Spiritual evidence is NOT evidence. We have PHYSICAL evidence to prove a lot of things happened where as you just have a book. Whose winning now?? Certainly not you because as others have mentioned, you have no interest in stepping back and admitting you are wrong.
 
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Spiritual evidence is NOT evidence.
Of course it is for things of a spiritual nature.
We have PHYSICAL evidence to prove a lot of things happened where as you just have a book.

A lot of things did happen. However, you have o evidence to prove any claim with spiritual or physical evidence that spirits are not real.

Whose winning now?? Certainly not you because as others have mentioned, you have no interest in stepping back and admitting you are wrong.
I am winning, will continue to win and am absolutely right.
 
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People say that about all religions. Christianity is nothing special in that regard, and I find your claims about it just as convincing as you find the claims of those in other religions.
Great, and there are spirits involved with other religions also, none of which science can deny or confirm also!


Argument from popularity. Just because lots of people share the belief, doesn't make it true.
A lot of tests were done and you cannot wave them away.


Yeah, no one could EVER have a reason to make up something that can't be checked in any way whatsoever! :rolleyes:
Doesn't matter. God is not made up and neither are spirits.

The number of people who have tested it and come to a different conclusion (ie, non-Christians) is far higher. Perhaps you might not want to rely on argument from popularity.
False. Most people have always believed in spirits. Christians or not!

I know loads of people who have checked and found nothing.
What did they check with, a white cane?

You seem to not understand the words "science" and "verify."
I sure do, now understand these words. Science cannot verify spirits.
 
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Of course it is for things of a spiritual nature.

And Smurf things are evidence for things of a Smurfy nature. Anyone can make up that kind of thing, but without being able to verify it, it means nothing.

A lot of things did happen. However, you have o evidence to prove any claim with spiritual or physical evidence that spirits are not real.

Yes, a lot of things did happen. Some of us have higher standards for what counts as evidence, and we prefer to have something that can actually be checked by others and verified.

I am winning, will continue to win and am absolutely right.

You tell yourself that.
 
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A lot of things did happen. However, you have o evidence to prove any claim with spiritual or physical evidence that spirits are not real.

Dude..physical evidence wins over spiritual evidence.

I am winning, will continue to win and am absolutely right.

Yeah you keep telling yourself that...cos it aint true
 
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Great, and there are spirits involved with other religions also, none of which science can deny or confirm also!

So you think that you can make up whatever unfalsifiable stuff you want and then claim it's true because it doesn't rely on the same systems for verification that science has?

That doesn't make you right.

A lot of tests were done and you cannot wave them away.

Unfortunately those tests were poorly done, with no way to verify them.

Doesn't matter. God is not made up and neither are spirits.

You gonna need more than that to convince me.

False. Most people have always believed in spirits. Christians or not!

So what? People who didn't know how the world worked turned to superstition in an attempt to understand it. Doesn't mean they were right!

What did they check with, a white cane?

So now you're just gonna insult people who disagree with you?

I sure do, now understand these words. Science cannot verify spirits.

Because there's nothing there to verify.
 
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And Smurf things are evidence for things of a Smurfy nature. Anyone can make up that kind of thing, but without being able to verify it, it means nothing.



Yes, a lot of things did happen. Some of us have higher standards for what counts as evidence, and we prefer to have something that can actually be checked by others and verified.



You tell yourself that.
No evidence for doubts about spirits then. OK.
 
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Dude..physical evidence wins over spiritual evidence.
That depends if we are looking for evidence cow manure existed, or ghosts exist.

Yeah you keep telling yourself that...cos it aint true
Is that why some people try to ban others, to pretend they are winning?
 
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Not the way mountains were talked about in Scripture, being covered in water!
There are still mountains covered in water. They do not support your implied conclusion that there was a global flood.
No trees grow in weeks now to fruition as a general rule. Neither do spirits marry women and have kids and homes here. Nor do men live a thousand years now.
Your evidence for the veracity of such claims is that mountains and trees exist now, not that any of those phenomena continue to be true. Mountains and trees exist, therefore spirits married women. Seriously?

"You can't test the past, you just have to accept my stories because there are things around now that were also around then, although they are not actually evidence of the stories I'm claiming are indisputably true." Lol.
Spiritual things need spiritual evidence. We have that in spades! You actually have no evidence either way so make no claims.
You have no spiritual evidence whatsoever, but we have the physical evidence you're claiming supports your argument. Mountains exist - that's physical evidence. They do not in any way provide evidence of spirits, fast growing vegetation or longevity of mythical men. What they provide is evidence of upheaval, erosion and deep time.
 
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I am winning

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I actually have seen physical evidence of spirits. But you would probably call me a liar if I elaborated on it.
No, not a liar. Lying is deliberate dishonesty. I would say that you have probably seen something with a perfectly natural explanation which you cannot understand and have attributed to spirits.

Bring it on. Let's see what you consider to be physical evidence of spirits.
 
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No, not a liar. Lying is deliberate dishonesty. I would say that you have probably seen something with a perfectly natural explanation which you cannot understand and have attributed to spirits.

Bring it on. Let's see what you consider to be physical evidence of spirits.

A friend talked me into exploring an abandoned house with him. We heard a noise and he bailed, but I was curious and followed it. I walked into a room and there was nothing there, but I turned around and saw an old man with a long beard and dirty clothes. I screamed and closed my eyes. I prayed to Jesus and when I opened my eyes (couldn't have been more than a second) he was gone. I searched the entire house and there was no sign of him.
 
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A friend talked me into exploring an abandoned house with him. We heard a noise and he bailed, but I was curious and followed it. I walked into a room and there was nothing there, but I turned around and saw an old man with a long beard and dirty clothes. I screamed and closed my eyes. I prayed to Jesus and when I opened my eyes (couldn't have been more than a second) he was gone. I searched the entire house and there was no sign of him.
And the physical evidence......?

I swear blind I saw a gecko run behind the couch last night, but when I looked for it there was nothing there. I'm not trying to mock you, simply pointing out that we often see things which may or may not have been there. It's a well-known human predilection.
 
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And the physical evidence......?

I swear blind I saw a gecko run behind the couch last night, but when I looked for it there was nothing there. I'm not trying to mock you, simply pointing out that we often see things which may or may not have been there. It's a well-known human predilection.

Like I said, you didn't believe me.
 
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A friend talked me into exploring an abandoned house with him. We heard a noise and he bailed, but I was curious and followed it. I walked into a room and there was nothing there, but I turned around and saw an old man with a long beard and dirty clothes. I screamed and closed my eyes. I prayed to Jesus and when I opened my eyes (couldn't have been more than a second) he was gone. I searched the entire house and there was no sign of him.

You may have legitimately seen something; the question is whether or not what you saw was an external entity.

Hallucinations are after all a very real phenomenon that people experience. I myself experience hypnopompic hallucinations on a semi regular basis. I've seen things that look very real, but I know they are strictly a product of my own mind.
 
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There are still mountains covered in water. They do not support your implied conclusion that there was a global flood.
As I said, not the way they were talked about in Scripture. All were covered.

Your evidence for the veracity of such claims is that mountains and trees exist now, not that any of those phenomena continue to be true. Mountains and trees exist, therefore spirits married women. Seriously?
No. It was pointed out to you that many things are in ancient records and you may not selectively handwave some away, or pretend that today is the same.
"You can't test the past, you just have to accept my stories because there are things around now that were also around then, although they are not actually evidence of the stories I'm claiming are indisputably true." Lol.
Don't blame me that you live today and can't time travel.
You have no spiritual evidence whatsoever,
Most people of all ages have plenty of evidence that spirits exist and so they believe in them. You are in no position to judge the rest of the world, or wave away the experiences of mankind. Nor are you in any position to say my experiences with the spiritual are not real.

but we have the physical evidence you're claiming supports your argument. Mountains exist - that's physical evidence.
The opposite is true actually. No flood exists now that covers every mountain, no one lives 1000 years, no olive tree grows in a week, and no spirits show up at the local church wanting a marriage license, etc.
The lives we live now are different in many basic ways.
 
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