UK Election 2019

[mindlight]

About 8 years ago my nephew went to the emergency room with a panic attack he thought might be a heart attack. He had been taking muscle developing drugs which I heard produces panic attack symptoms so I would have thought that was the place to start.

Triage left him sitting around a lot waiting for this and that and a number of hours later he was sent home with the diagnosis of panic attack.

Two weeks later another panic attack but he thought it should be investigated, went in they did a CAT scan (invented in Britain), and the routine things, and sent him home.

A few weeks later he got the bill; 17,000 dollars (then 11,300 pounds) which of course included the time he spent in the waiting room.

A perfect example of why American medical firms have little to nothing to contribute to the NHS and why selling off functions to US companies will probably escalate costs without adding any value.

 

[Goonie]

A perfect example of why American medical firms have little to nothing to contribute to the NHS and why selling off functions to US companies will probably escalate costs without adding any value.

But with the UK being the desperate party in any US trade deal don't be surprised if this takes place.

 

[MorkandMindy]

The Americans are fed up with our medical system, watch the movie by Michael Moore called 'Sicko' to see what is frankly not the extreme but rather the norm.

The situation is so bad and has gone on so long, Obamacare being the latest ray of hope which has turned out to be just another disappointment, being cynical I wonder if it was actually planned that way, to dash the last vestige of hope and make the population desperate enough to throw in the towel and turn to socialism, and I think that is what the elite want. They want to asset strip the country.

 

[MorkandMindy]

The problem is the media, run by the elite, have been pointing everyone at different schemes of paying the ludicrous prices and taking attention away from the crazy system and prices which are what actually need to be fixed.

As an extreme case of sabotage consider Elizabeth Warren, she is promising to increase expenses by 52 trillion over the next ten years. That's what the elite have in mind, it must sound crazy in England but to actually run up debts via healthcare sufficient to bankrupt the country and grab the assets.

 

[MorkandMindy]

I'm really impressed that the British have managed to overcome the media lies and worked out that the EU is bad for Britain.

 

[Goonie]

I'm really impressed that the British have managed to overcome the media lies and worked out that the EU is bad for Britain.

Excuse me? The majority of the media supported brexit. Economists, banking, small medium and large businesses, the groups who know full well the consequences of destroying trading ties with our closest neighbour who were against. The media was to busy lying about Turkey joint the EU, there will be 350 million for the NHS, that trade deals are easy, etc etc.

 

[mindlight]

Excuse me? The majority of the media supported brexit. Economists, banking, small medium and large businesses, the groups who know full well the consequences of destroying trading ties with our closest neighbour who were against. The media was to busy lying about Turkey joint the EU, there will be 350 million for the NHS, that trade deals are easy, etc etc.

Business was clearly in favour of Remain for broadly substantial reasons. But it is interesting that the uncertainty that BREXIT caused had become a bigger factor than the fact of BREXIT itself. To the point in fact that there is a stock market boom in the wake of the landslide election result.

 

[lismore]

The election solves the issue. They can now 'get Brexit done' and with the Brexiters in charge of the process, with their huge majority, when it's all done they will have no-one to blame or congratulate but themselves for the outcome. God Bless

 

[Nithavela]

Business was clearly in favour of Remain for broadly substantial reasons. But it is interesting that the uncertainty that BREXIT caused had become a bigger factor than the fact of BREXIT itself. To the point in fact that there is a stock market boom in the wake of the landslide election result.

It reminds me of a soldier feeling temporary relief after the waiting is done and battle is joined.

 

[MorkandMindy]

Why are we taking being in the EU as the norm? The British public never wanted or voted for a political union with Europe.

 

[Nithavela]

Why are we taking being in the EU as the norm? The British public never wanted or voted for a political union with Europe.

1975 United Kingdom European Communities membership referendum - Wikipedia

 

[MorkandMindy]

I searched the wiki article for EU and it only appears 5 times and each time in conjunction with the 2016, which did not turn out in favour of joining or remaining in the EU

 

[Nithavela]

I searched the wiki article for EU and it only appears 5 times and each time in conjunction with the 2016, which did not turn out in favour of joining or remaining in the EU

The EU didn't exist in 1976, it was founded in 1993, with the European Community being something of a precursor organisation. It's quite the fascinating story.

Point is, not even the staunches brexit supporter will say that the UK was never asked to join. They'll say "Yes, we've been asked 40 years ago and said yes, now we were asked again and said no. Maybe ask again in 40 years and we'll see where we go from there." or something of that nature.

 

[MorkandMindy]

I was there in the summer of 1975 and a long time both before and after then. The UK was not asked to join the EEC but to decide whether to leave with a big emphasis on the heavy financial penalties for leaving. And the public were assured there were no plans for the EEC to become a supra national state, that voting 'YES to stay in Europe' was not voting to join a supranational state.

Contrary to the impression the public has been given, in 1975 Britain would absolutely not have voted to join the EU and did not vote to join the EU or even the EEC.

It's amazing how quickly history changes

 

[Nithavela]

Contrary to the impression the public has been given, in 1975 Britain would absolutely not have voted to join the EU and did not vote to join the EU or even the EEC.

So.. why did they?

 

[MorkandMindy]

Well starting with the EEC, the Conservative Party in 1970 promised this, quoted from the Manifesto:

'Our sole commitment is to negotiate; no more, no less. As the negotiations proceed we will report regularly through Parliament to the country.

A Conservative Government would not be prepared to recommend to Parliament, nor would Members of Parliament approve, a settlement which was unequal or unfair. In making this judgement, Ministers and Members will listen to the views of their constituents and have in mind, as is natural and legitimate, primarily the effect of entry upon the standard of living of the individual citizens whom they represent.’

With these words Edward Heath tricked the voters and was elected

 

[MorkandMindy]

We were lied to! Secret document FCO 30/1048 kept truth about EU from British for 30 years

We were lied to! Secret document FCO 30/1048 kept truth about EU from British for 30 years
A SECRET document, which remained locked away for 30 years, advised the British Government to COVER-UP the realities of EU membership so that by the time the public realised what was happening it would be too late.

 

[MorkandMindy]

I remember an argument back in 1975 when Tony Benn if I recall was making outrageous claims that the government and his own party were lying about the EEC, that it was not intended to be just a free trade zone but a superstate. In the end I think pretty well all the public were convinced he was wrong, that no such thing was going to happen, but after voting to save a fortune in costs for leaving the EEC, gradually the EU began to come into existence and Britain was quietly signed up for each part of it having been told nothing of any significance was going on.

 

[MorkandMindy]

Why did Edward Heath lie and trick his own country? Well, I don't want to say he had signed up with the German intelligence before they helped him get the highest mark of anyone in the Civil Service exams prior to his entry into politics. And I don't want to say he was bribed to take Britain into the EEC, so I'll let the press say it:

EU DECEPTION? How Edward Heath was 'given £1.5MILLION before taking Britain into bloc'
EDWARD HEATH has not only been accused of lying to the electorate when he took Britain into the bloc but, according to newly-resurfaced reports, the former Prime Minister also received a financial reward that would be the equivalent of £1.5million before he signed away British sovereignty.

 

[Goonie]

I remember an argument back in 1975 when Tony Benn if I recall was making outrageous claims that the government and his own party were lying about the EEC, that it was not intended to be just a free trade zone but a superstate. In the end I think pretty well all the public were convinced he was wrong, that no such thing was going to happen, but after voting to save a fortune in costs for leaving the EEC, gradually the EU began to come into existence and Britain was quietly signed up for each part of it having been told nothing of any significance was going on.

You know the reality that the UK is leaving the EU is demonstrating the falsehood of your claims.


Parliament is sovereign, not advisory referendums. In 1970 the Tories considered membership to be in the interests of the UK, and every elected parliament(until recently) has held that view, elected by the people to represent the people.