UK Election 2019

[All Englands Skies]

The next 5 years are probably going to be very difficult. Scotland will be pushing for a new independence referendum. The Tories will have to struggle with the deep costs of BREXIT which they have grossly underestimated. Britain will pull through but by the time of the next election I have no idea what the political landscape will look like. Given the Tories are unlikely to grant a referendum for instance how will Scotland handle their frustrations with Westminister. Will the SRA replace the IRA?

I do not know if Labour can reform. The problem is the electoral system they have which favoured a really out of touch party membership who far to the left of the general public. They might need to change the system before they can get an electable leader.

Tories, EU membership, Lib Dems and the Champaign Socialism, wishing for Communism of Corbyn will all lead to an increase in greedy capitalist gains.

Voting wont change anything anymore, the only hope for change now will be from direct action and pure syndicalism.

 

[mindlight]

Tories, EU membership, Lib Dems and the Champaign Socialism, wishing for Communism of Corbyn will all lead to an increase in greedy capitalist gains.

Voting wont change anything anymore, the only hope for change now will be from direct action and pure syndicalism.

What will work is getting a viable Labour party candidate not strikes and revolution.

 

[Albion]

If the polls are right Britain is leaving on January 31st. The extent to which the deal Boris negotiated allows for a successful economy and trading relationship with Europe in the aftermath of BREXIT are key issues now. Also there is a lot of work to negotiate trade treaties with others like the Americans for instance.

I agree, but it sometimes is necessary to endure a temporary difficulty in order to prosper in the future...and the future will be very dim if the cord is not cut now when there still is a chance.

For heaven's sake, folks, the UK is not a third-rate nation that has to live as the vassal of some superpower on her border like so many others do! Her ability to compensate for leaving the EU seems strangely underestimated by Britons.

 

[mindlight]

I agree, but it sometimes is necessary to endure a temporary difficulty in order to prosper in the future...and the future will be very dim if the cord is not cut now when there still is a chance.

For heaven's sake, folks, the UK is not a third-rate nation that has to live as the vassal of some superpower on her border like so many others do! Her ability to compensate for leaving the EU seems strangely underestimated by Britons.

Agreed that Britain is not a third rate nation, it has the second largest economy and most powerful military in the European context.

Regarding BREXIT even though the British public remains very split on this and might actually be in favour of remaining they are fed up with it now and Boris is offering a clear way forward for them. So this is happening. But your understanding of the European relationship is slightly distorted I think.

This election was about a split remain vote that could not unite around a disastrous Opposition party leader and a very strong Tory Candidate in Boris who has connected with people outside normal Tory boundaries. Just watching as a traditional Labour heartland, a mining town has fallen to the Tories in Blythe valley.

 

[All Englands Skies]

What will work is getting a viable Labour party candidate not strikes and revolution.

Strikes and Revolutionary spirit are sometimes the only options left for normal people, rich people who own all the wealth only change when they're forced.

They just want it so we can only ever just ask nicely for them to "please give us more", so they can coldly answer, "No"

 

[mindlight]

Strikes and Revolutionary spirit are sometimes the only options left for normal people, rich people who own all the wealth only change when they're forced.

They just want it so we can only ever just ask nicely for them to "please give us more", so they can coldly answer, "No"

Boris seems to have connected to many traditional Labour voters even in mining towns like Blythe Valley. Part of that connection is a trust that he actually wants to spread opportunity with better education, a continued commitment to the NHS etc

Also you cannot have strong welfare and public services without a strong economy. BREXIT will be a dampener on that but the Tories are more likely to encourage a strong economy than the Labour party.

 

[All Englands Skies]

Boris seems to have connected to many traditional Labour voters even in mining towns like Blythe Valley. Part of that connection is a trust that he actually wants to spread opportunity with better education, a continued commitment to the NHS etc

Also you cannot have strong welfare and public services without a strong economy. BREXIT will be a dampener on that but the Tories are more likely to encourage a strong economy than the Labour party.

A strong economy that mainly benefits the rich, while the common men gets the scraps in the form of minimal public services, so your life revolves around a low pay job, low benefits if you lose that job and getting free health care when near death.

But still there will be no social progression, no life changing pay increases, no decent life to enjoy, just paying the bills and rent, while your boss expands his business and buys all the property to overcharge tenents rent on.

The moneys there, but without the collective and syndicalism, you wont see any of it, as there is no incentive or force for them to hand it over, they will just keep enforcing austerity over and over for some reason or other, so the money leaves your hands and floats up to the top!

 

[mindlight]

A strong economy that mainly benefits the rich, while the common men gets the scraps in the form of minimal public services, so your life revolves around a low pay job, low benefits if you lose that job and getting free health care when near death.

But still there will be no social progression, no life changing pay increases, no decent life to enjoy, just paying the bills and rent, while your boss expands his business and buys all the property to overcharge tenents rent on.

The moneys there, but without the collective and syndicalism, you wont see any of it, as there is no incentive or force for them to hand it over, they will just keep enforcing austerity over and over for some reason or other, so the money leaves your hands and floats up to the top!

social mobility is a big issue for me. i believe in meritocracy so the deserving poor should rise and the undeserving rich should fall. Social mobility has increased under the Tories

The EU did provide worker protections but was also a dampener on an Enterprise economy. The world is bigger than Europe and Britain can compete in it. A strong economy is the key to well funded public services

 

[All Englands Skies]

social mobility is a big issue for me. i believe in meritocracy so the deserving poor should rise and the undeserving rich should fall. Social mobility has increased under the Tories

The EU did provide worker protections but was also a dampener on an Enterprise economy. The world is bigger than Europe and Britain can compete in it. A strong economy is the key to well funded public services

An enterprise economy, that rewards hard work and entrepreneurs is no problem, as long as its kept in check by a strong Syndicalist movement.

 

[mindlight]

An enterprise economy, that rewards hard work and entrepreneurs is no problem, as long as its kept in check by a strong Syndicalist movement.

We agree on this and this is also the German system balancing a strong economy with good public services that provide the highest possible level of welfare and care.

Punitive tax rate on businesses and high earners just do not work in achieving this nor do strikes that usually just end up messing up the competitiveness of their industries. The best way to even out wealth inequalities is to encourage social mobility so that talented determined people from disadvantaged backgrounds can rise while drug addled incompetents from rich backgrounds should be allowed to fall to their natural level.

The Grammar school system was a good equaliser in this respect. But so also making sure that education services are good in poorer areas and that opportunities are matched to merit rather than class or background

 

[Albion]

This election was about a split remain vote that could not unite around a disastrous Opposition party leader and a very strong Tory Candidate in Boris who has connected with people outside normal Tory boundaries. Just watching as a traditional Labour heartland, a mining town has fallen to the Tories in Blythe valley.

Well, this is not something that's peculiar to Britain. Oftentimes, an election here in the USA turns on exactly what the parties chose as their main issues. If they choose badly and make their pitch for something that misses the thinking of the voters, they lose an election that could have been won.

In Britain's case, I heard that Corbyn chose to make the usual socio-economic issues Labour's main campaign theme, but there should have been no doubt that the voters would be coming out primarily in order to vote on Brexit.

 

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Well, this is not something that's peculiar to Britain. Oftentimes, an election here in the USA turns on exactly what the parties chose as their main issues. If they choose badly and make their pitch for something that misses the thinking of the voters, they lose an election that could have been won.

In Britain's case, I heard that Corbyn chose to make the usual socio-economic issues Labour's main campaign theme, but there should have been no doubt that the voters would be coming out primarily in order to vote on Brexit.

Corbyn chose to adopt a neutral position on BREXIT which proved a big mistake with the voters. The BREXIT vote was solidly behind the Tories and even in traditional Labour areas in the North and Midlands. Also Corbyn is slightly to the left of Stalin on economic policy which again was not popular with the voters. Also voters connected to Boris.

 

[mindlight]

So the results are pretty much in, the Tories have won and BREXIT will happen as a result.

It seems the Tory victory comes down to being the major BREXIT party and from confusion over Labours position and from Jeremy Corbyn being toxic to many Labour voters. The remain parties failed to unite mainly due to the unpopularity of Corbyn.

Also substantial parts of the Labour working class heartlands made an historic shift to the Tories last night. It remains to be seen if the Tories can make this connection these new "Tories" found with Boris a persistent one.

Nationalist parties have a majority in Scotland and Northern Ireland posing the dual threat to the Union of a United Ireland and an independent Scotland, though Boris will probably ignore pleas to this effect for the next few years at least.

If Labour cannot get its rethink right it may stay out of power for decades to come or may even face extinction as a party. Corbyn has said he will not stand as leader in another election but has not resigned and looks intent on controlling the rethinking process. Since Corbynism may be the problem with Labour this is not a good idea and he should resign immediately if Labour are to stand a chance of getting this rethink correct. INdeed much of the party leadership needs to go and they need to rethink their voting structures also

 

[Daniel C]

The UK is in a right mess at the moment. I hope the Tories don't win, a coalition of the Lib Dems, Greens and Labour would be the best outcome, imo.

Sorry lady but the voters just dashed your hopes.

Here's to you Labour:

 

[All Englands Skies]

So the results are pretty much in, the Tories have won and BREXIT will happen as a result.

It seems the Tory victory comes down to being the major BREXIT party and from confusion over Labours position and from Jeremy Corbyn being toxic to many Labour voters. The remain parties failed to unite mainly due to the unpopularity of Corbyn.

Also substantial parts of the Labour working class heartlands made an historic shift to the Tories last night. It remains to be seen if the Tories can make this connection these new "Tories" found with Boris a persistent one.

Nationalist parties have a majority in Scotland and Northern Ireland posing the dual threat to the Union of a United Ireland and an independent Scotland, though Boris will probably ignore pleas to this effect for the next few years at least.

If Labour cannot get its rethink right it may stay out of power for decades to come or may even face extinction as a party. Corbyn has said he will not stand as leader in another election but has not resigned and looks intent on controlling the rethinking process. Since Corbynism may be the problem with Labour this is not a good idea and he should resign immediately if Labour are to stand a chance of getting this rethink correct. INdeed much of the party leadership needs to go and they need to rethink their voting structures also

Corbyn was like the caricature of a "Champaign Socialist" and seemed like an eternal over-grown student, people like that rub up the working class the wrong way, I know I laugh at such people, as I've been there, raised in Council/Social housing, Son of an English working class father and a Kosovan immigrant mother, Served in the Army, after i left worked for low pay and got a trade, worked the long hours, night shifts, etc, so I look at the likes of Corbyn and think, "pfft, you in't got a clue about real life, you're not a worker"

That being said, the biggest issue was still Brexit and leaving, that's why the Tories won.

I am glad we will leave the E.U as I consider it a Capitalist bloc for the interests of the business classes only, however I shudder at the thought of leaving on the Tories terms, they will always be archetype Capitalists in my book.

 

[MorkandMindy]

The Tories could lose a lot of support if after Brexit they decide to mess up the NHS.

 

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The Tories could lose a lot of support if after Brexit they decide to mess up the NHS.

The key to NHS funding lies in the economy and political commitment. I think the political commitment is there. There are a lot of factors that will impact on the economy including the trade arrangement worked out with the EU and the success or otherwise of Boris style Britain First economics. But the fears about selling off the NHS to the USA are unfounded. Such an arrangement would add massively to its operational costs and the major focus in the UK is providing a comprehensive service within a budget. Also the political fall out of such a sale could jeopardise all the Tory advances.

 

[MorkandMindy]

Will Britain out of the EU reduce the workload on the NHS? I've read about visitors coming in to Britain to get operations done for free and wondered if that was widespread how the NHS would be able to cope.

I left Britain 5 years ago and came to the US and the medical system here is a charade. Most people here don't realize it because they don't have anything to compare it with.

I've walked around hospitals and seen groups of orderlies hanging around in groups, permanently. And whereas the yearly medical in Britain took 4 minutes of the doctor's time, pretty much everything having been done in advance by nurses and entered into the computer system, the two practices I'd attended here had it all jumbled up and wasted a lot of everyone's time. But here they are on commission whereas in Britain they are paid to look after each person. The incentive here is to waste time and there to get the job done.

 

[MorkandMindy]

About 8 years ago my nephew went to the emergency room with a panic attack he thought might be a heart attack. He had been taking muscle developing drugs which I heard produces panic attack symptoms so I would have thought that was the place to start.

Triage left him sitting around a lot waiting for this and that and a number of hours later he was sent home with the diagnosis of panic attack.

Two weeks later another panic attack but he thought it should be investigated, went in they did a CAT scan (invented in Britain), and the routine things, and sent him home.

A few weeks later he got the bill; 17,000 dollars (then 11,300 pounds) which of course included the time he spent in the waiting room.

 

[Goonie]

Will Britain out of the EU reduce the workload on the NHS? I've read about visitors coming in to Britain to get operations done for free and wondered if that was widespread how the NHS would be able to cope.

I left Britain 5 years ago and came to the US and the medical system here is a charade. Most people here don't realize it because they don't have anything to compare it with.

I've walked around hospitals and seen groups of orderlies hanging around in groups, permanently. And whereas the yearly medical in Britain took 4 minutes of the doctor's time, pretty much everything having been done in advance by nurses and entered into the computer system, the two practices I'd attended here had it all jumbled up and wasted a lot of everyone's time. But here they are on commission whereas in Britain they are paid to look after each person. The incentive here is to waste time and there to get the job done.

Almost certainly not. For one thing Brexit will see a loss of trained nurses and doctors as they return to their home countries.