Flat Earth And Christianity

[Karin12414]

Flat Earthers talk about it being connected to Christianity because it's in the bible

Where?

 

[Karin12414]

How do you know what would get me into heaven?

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me
John 14:6

Doesn't seem to mention the shape of the Earth here. Hmmmmm

 

[The.Cartographer]

Where?

I found this video that has all the passages.
Apologies it's a video.......

 

[The.Cartographer]

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me
John 14:6

Doesn't seem to mention the shape of the Earth here. Hmmmmm

Yeah but I'm agreeing that I believe that there's a Jesus.
You just wrote a sentence, that you specifically pick so as not to strengthen my point; so obviously it's not going to mention the shape of the Earth...

 

[Karin12414]

I found this video that has all the passages.
Apologies it's a video.......

Okay, I'm not going to watch this. Please post actual verse. From The Bible, not YouTube.

 

[JackRT]

Yeah but that could of just been at one of the stations around the ring? It doesn't really prove that the Earth is a globe or not.

It would seem that you are using a north polar projection flat earth map. The measured distance from the north pole to the equator is about 6000 miles and the measured distance around the equator is about 24000 miles. Projecting this outward to your south polar ring would make it a bit under 48000 miles long. By the same token it would make the east-west span of Australia about 3300 miles on your map. But the actual distance is about 2200 miles. There something seriously wrong with your map. There is no ring, it is a pole.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I read the comments you usually post and what you're posting here seems no different than the rest. If you've nothing intellectual to contribute to this conversation please don't post anything at all.

Considering the subject, intellectual contributions are going to be a tall order, but I'll try.

Let's start with the basics, do you have pictures of the edge of flat earth? And if not, why not? If so, will you please post them?

 

[d taylor]

I think it's flat and I don't understand why Christianity doesn't hold that belief as well.
I think it'd be what Christianity would be all about and the idea that it is flat does make sense if you look at the evidence and makes us special and belonging to and taken care of by God. I've found that the idea is immediately attacked and dismissed and there's plenty of smear videos that don't really address the topics that those whom have done extensive research upon the matter have discovered; it's merely if you believe it's flat, you're an idiot; which I think is quite out of line, especially for Christians.

The earth is flat and stationary but only a few (in christianity) especially around here, believe the Bibles testimony about Gods creation.

They let science dictate or guide their Bible understanding.

 

[pitabread]

They let science dictate or guide their Bible understanding.

Or y'know, reality.

 

[d taylor]

Or y'know, reality.

I have seen the sun (and moon ,stars) move over the countless time. So how many time have you seen the earth orbit around the sun.

 

[A_Thinker]

(Another slightly related that came to me the other day, to help correct some other related wrong ideas, is to point out that how Venus has phases easily visible through a cheap telescope, like the moon has phases, but those phases are not on the same time period as the moon. Different time periods for the phases of the moon and of Venus! Ergo, Venus is therefore in orbit.

Finis!

(Match! Set! Point! ??)

I am afraid ... that that it is not so simple as you may imagine ...

 

[A_Thinker]

Basic backyard astronomy doesn't prove anything, what a ridiculous argument.

Particularly to the close-minded ...

 

[A_Thinker]

Where?

Not one verse in the Bible says that the Earth is flat ...

 

[Dave-W]

I found this video that has all the passages.
Apologies it's a video.......

Current site rules require you to post a summary of the video.

 

[JackRT]

Not one verse in the Bible says that the Earth is flat ...

Isaiah 40:22 "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in." (NIV)

A circle is a plane figure. Isaiah used that word rather than globe or sphere or ball. Like the vast majority of people at the time he thought the earth was flat. There are quite a large number of passages that suggest it was as well.

 

[FireDragon76]

I am convinced that Biblical cosmology is certainly that of a flat earth in a three tiered universe. However with the advent of Christianity the Greek influence rapidly displaced the Jewish influence. By the middle of the second century the Ptolemaic cosmology of a spherical earth at the center of the universe prevailed in Christian thought.

By the time of the New Testament, educated people knew the Earth was round.

Sacred cosmologies don't necessarily have to correspond to any modern notion of the actual globe, as they are generally interpreted symbolically.

 

[durangodawood]

...interpreted symbolically.

Once you go down that route with the Bible then everything is up for grabs.

Thats the case made anyway.

 

[FireDragon76]

Once you go down that route with the Bible then everything is up for grabs.

Thats the case made anyway.

Not a problem for me. At literal face value I find much of the Bible to be spiritually and morally problematic.

 

[Halbhh]

Once you go down that route with the Bible then everything is up for grabs.

Thats the case made anyway.

The problem of what is symbolic or figurative and what is simply literal is going to be challenging for anyone here and there, in certain places.... until...they read through all verses or chapters involved in that verse.

For instance, in a psalm to read the whole psalm (usually even if we slow down our reading pace to very slow, still most psalms are read in about a minute or 2 max, many quite a bit less that that.)

Then with those full passages (again, most readable in a minute or less), usually it's no longer even a slight question what is figurative or metaphorical wording, and what is concrete. It's effortless in most instances, and one already forgot that question, because far more interesting things were heard!

Trust me, or better by far, test it and see, and you'll find that's what happens.

Notice that this is the opposite of how discussions are held on the internet!

In internet debating, people tend to tell you what a verse is to mean, and then give you the isolated words, and it's easy to see it as they say....

And often that's a wrong interpretation. Say, 1/2 the time, or even more, in that they even in good cases have reduced and chopped off very valuable things nearby --

Like you wanted to meet a person, and someone chopped off that person's arm and handed it to you.

 

[FireDragon76]

The problem of what is symbolic or figurative and what is simply literal is going to be challenging for anyone here and there, in certain places.... until...they read through all verses or chapters involved in that verse.

For instance, in a psalm to read the whole psalm (usually even if we slow down our reading pace to very slow, still most psalms are read in about a minute or 2 max, many quite a bit less that that.)

Then with those full passages (again, most readable in a minute or less), usually it's no longer even a slight question what is figurative or metaphorical wording, and what is concrete. It's effortless in most instances, and one already forgot that question, because far more interesting things were heard!

Trust me, or better by far, test it and see, and you'll find that's what happens.

Notice that this is the opposite of how discussions are held on the internet!

In internet debating, people tend to tell you what a verse is to mean, and then give you the isolated words, and it's easy to see it as they say....

And often that's a wrong interpretation. Say, 1/2 the time, or even more, in that they even in good cases have reduced and chopped off very valuable things nearby --

Like you wanted to meet a person, and someone chopped off that person's arm and handed it to you.

Much of lay evangelical exegesis of the Bible is not very good. Verses are frequently read without any kind of relevant cultural context, or the reading is influenced by the reader's own cultural values.

A good example of this is Matthew 18:6. "Little ones" refers to the followers of Jesus who were not part of Jesus' inner circle, not to children, as evangelicals frequently cite this passage to terrorize anybody they see as defiling the perceived sanctity of childhood. This misreading happens by misapplication of modern standards of sentimentality towards children into the context of the 1st century.