Number One Flaw in Cessationism

[Saint Steven]

I see people believing all kinds of stuff that isn't in the Bible.

They seem to be a lot like you. - lol

 

[Butch5]

That blows your whole theory.
Anyway, it is the Spirit that distributes gifts, not humankind.

1 Corinthians 12:4, 11
4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. ...
11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.

It's not a theory. It's stated plainly in Scripture.

18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. (Acts 8:18-19 KJV)

The Antecedent for he in that passage is the Father not the Spirit.

 

[Butch5]

That is not correct.

Yeah, it is. I've quoted it.

 

[CharismaticLady]

That is the point CL, heretics like this are warned about in scripture, not believed. This is not defensible.

Hi again, I need to go but I did listen to a little over 5 minutes of Kenneth Hagin and didn't see anything wrong.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Human languages, yes. But nowhere in scripture does it say believers speak in angelic languages. Before you quote 1 Cor 13:1 read the next 2 verses.



By people knowing the language spoken of course, as per Acts 2. Or by someone translating it as per 1 Cor 14:5.

I don't care one way or the other. I don't understand the language I speak in tongues to God in, so does it matter whether it was a language God made for man, or for angels? Man doesn't understand tongues - God does.

 

[Butch5]

Is that what this says?

1 Corinthians 12:4, 11
4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. ...
11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.

Check some translations other than the NIV. The Greek text reads differently. The antecedent for he is the Father, not the Spirit.

 

[Butch5]

They seem to be a lot like you. - lol

What I'm posting come straight out of the Scriptures. Can you say them?

 

[CharismaticLady]

I see people believing all kinds of stuff that isn't in the Bible.

Yes, and I see many so called Christians NOT believing everything in our New Covenant.

 

[CharismaticLady]

That is the point CL, heretics like this are warned about in scripture, not believed. This is not defensible.

Kenneth Hagin is a true believer and with signs following him. But I do know of some heretics in the Reformation until Jacob Arminius and John Wesley preached the truth.

 

[Saint Steven]

Yes, God doesn't want us to live by restrictive formulas and religious spirits. Jesus used all sorts of methods to heal people so we wouldn't get in that trap.

One of my pet peeves about the ungifted, is them trying to tell those who operate in the gifts how it should be done. As if their inexperience and ignorance makes them experts. - lol

 

[Saint Steven]

It's not a theory. It's stated plainly in Scripture.

18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. (Acts 8:18-19 KJV)

The Antecedent for he in that passage is the Father not the Spirit.

That only applies to what was going on at that moment. Not in every case.

 

[CharismaticLady]

One of my pet peeves about the ungifted, is them trying to tell those who operate in the gifts how it should be done. As if their inexperience and ignorance makes them experts. - lol

Unfortunately Acts comes in the Bible before the commandment of 1 Corinthians 14:2. But in reality, 1 Corinthians was written 15 years before Acts.

 

[Butch5]

Is that what this says?

1 Corinthians 12:4, 11
4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. ...
11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.

Here is a literal translation of the text.

And there are diversities of gifts, and the same Spirit;
5 and there are diversities of ministrations, and the same Lord;
6 and there are diversities of workings, and it is the same God -- who is working the all in all.
7 And to each hath been given the manifestation of the Spirit for profit;
8 for to one through the Spirit hath been given a word of wisdom, and to another a word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit;
9 and to another faith in the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healings in the same Spirit;
10 and to another in-workings of mighty deeds; and to another prophecy; and to another discernings of spirits; and to another divers kinds of tongues; and to another interpretation of tongues:
11 and all these doth work the one and the same Spirit, dividing to each severally as he intendeth.
(1 Cor. 12:4-11 YLT)

The 'He' of verse 11 is the 'God who is working all in all' of verse 6

 

[swordsman1]

I don't care one way or the other. I don't understand the language I speak in tongues to God in, so does it matter whether it was a language God made for man, or for angels? Man doesn't understand tongues - God does.

If Charismatic tongues were human languages then the linguists would immediately spot it. They don't. See my post #49. And if it they are non-human languages then it is unbiblical.

 

[Butch5]

That only applies to what was going on at that moment. Not in every case.

Where does Scripture say that?

 

[CharismaticLady]

If Charismatic tongues were human languages then the linguists would immediately spot it. They don't. See my post #49. And if it they are non-human languages then it is unbiblical.

Not if they are the tongues of angels.

 

[swordsman1]

Kenneth Hagin is a true believer and with signs following him.

Is this one of the signs of a true believer?

 

[Saint Steven]

Here's a link to the conclusion of an 18 part study.
This is on the Pentecostal/Assemblies of God area. So, NO REBUTTALS ALLOWED - a protected denominational area.

Cessationism - Summary Statement

 

[CharismaticLady]

Is this one of the signs of a true believer?

I wasn't there, but I would have loved to have been.

 

[swordsman1]

Not if they are the tongues of angels.

No one spoke in the tongues of angels. Are you ready to discuss 1 Cor 13:1-3?