Jonah: Dead or Alive?

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FAQ: Was Jonah alive in the fish?

A: Yes. (Jonah 2:1)

FAQ: The whole time?

A: No.

At some time during his nautical adventure, Jonah went to a place called sheol (Jonah 2:2) which he located at the roots of the mountains. (Jonah 2:6)

Well; I think it goes without saying that the roots of the mountains are not located in the tummy of a fish, rather, down deep in the Earth. So in order for Jonah to be down deep in the Earth while at the same time in the tummy of a fish, the man and his body had to part company.


FAQ: How did Jonah get from the roots of the mountains back into the tummy of the fish to rejoin his body?

A: Jonah underwent a resurrection. (Jonah 2:6, Matt 12:40)
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The question in the OP is quite out of place when we realize that the Book of Jonah is not a literal history but is actually an extended parable intended to address a serious societal problem in Judah at a particular time in history.
 
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What denomination has this viewpoint ?

The focus of the Exposition and Bible study forum is the interpretation and explanation (exegesis) of Bible books, chapters or verses. Ergo: denominations are irrelevant in this area of Christian Forums.
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Hello @WebstersHome.

Jonah 1

15 They picked up Jonah, threw him into the sea, and the sea stopped its raging.
16 Then the men feared the LORD greatly, and they offered a sacrifice to the LORD and made vows.
17 And the LORD appointed a great fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was in the stomach of the fish three days and three nights.

Jonah 2
1 Then Jonah prayed to the LORD his God from the stomach of the fish,
2 and he said,
“I called out of my distress to the LORD,
And He answered me.
I cried for help from the depth of Sheol;
You heard my voice.

10 Then the LORD commanded the fish, and it vomited Jonah up onto the dry land.

When did Jonah die and leave the great fish who had swallowed him for the grave, only to be brought back to life and returned to the belly of the whale so the great fish could vomit him out :scratch:

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When did Jonah leave the great fish for the grave, and then return again

The roots of the mountains were not his grave; the fish's tummy was Jonah's grave; his body reposed in there for three days and three nights until the fish coughed Jonah up on shore after he was resurrected. (Jonah 1:17, Jonah 2:6, Jonah 2:10, Matt 12:40)
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Jonah took ship from Joppa to travel to the city of Tarshish (Jonah 1:3). That city's exact location is contested; but I think most folk would agree that it lay somewhere in the direction of Spain. Anyway we can at least be pretty sure that Jonah's rendezvous with the big fish took place in the Mediterranean Sea.

Jonah's preaching was very successful in Nineveh; and Jesus specifically credited the prophet's success to his experience with the fish. (Matt 12:39-41)

Well the thing is; Nineveh's ruins are eleven miles north of Mosul Iraq, which itself is roughly 406 miles inland from the Mediterranean Sea as the crow flies. So my question is: How were the Ninevites aware that Jonah was a man back from dead if the city didn't actually observed him come ashore from the fish's mouth?

Somehow, in some way, the people of Nineveh were aware that Jonah survived drowning and digestion in a fish's tummy; a survival that could only be explained by an honest-to-gosh miracle. So when Jonah went round about the city threatening it with destruction; nobody mocked, nobody jested, and nobody poked fun-- instead, everybody got really scared; including their king, and as everybody familiar with the book of Nahum knows, the citizens of Nineveh were a really brutal people not easily intimidated.

This all tells me that Jonah's experience with the fish wasn't a contingency. It was in the plan all along, though the prophet likely didn't know it, because God needed something very persuasive to get those people's attention.

Well; Jonah's recovery worked for Nineveh, but some people are as dense as the wall of China.

Luke 16:27-31 . .The rich man said: I beg you, Father, that you send Lazarus to my father's house-- for I have five brothers --that he may warn them, lest they also come to this place of torment.

. . . But Abraham said: They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them. But he said: No, Father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent! But Abraham said to him: If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded if someone rises from the dead.
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None! He was alive the whole time. He was speaking in metaphors---he also said

Jon 2:6 I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.

Obviously he was not in the fish forever--it's like when we get put on hold "forever" when it may be only 5 min. Just a manner of speech.
He was being dramatic---and why not---he is in the belly of the fish for 3 days---I'd be hysterical myself!
The acids are starting to work on his skin, he was probably bleached a little by the time he got out!
And it has happened!
July 30, 2013
"Chicago, IL – An Arkansas man is alive after being swallowed by a whale on Saturday while visiting the Shedd Aquarium. Jonah Anderson, 24, is being treated for mild dehydration at Chicago’s Mercy Medical Center after being regurgitated early this morning.

The incident happened while viewing the Beluga Whale exhibit at Shedd. Witnesses say the whale, Puiji, came out of the pool, grabbed Anderson, and proceeded to swallow him whole. Anderson remained unharmed inside the whale until this morning when he was spit back onto the viewing platform."

I guess we must give whales indigestion!
 
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This is John Spong's take on the Book of Jonah:


It was a profound shock to the people of Judah when the City of Jerusalem fell to the army of the Babylonians in the early years of the 6th century BCE. This city had not been conquered by an invading power since 1000 BCE, when David himself had taken it from the Jebusites to make it the capital of his newly unified country. When Solomon erected the Temple in Jerusalem, the people began to think that this holy city now lived under the protection of its indwelling deity. That idea was shattered with the city's fall in 596. The subsequent relocation of the Jewish people into a Babylonian exile only continued the shock and increased the despair.

The depth and pain of these reactions was located in the firm belief that somehow the Jews were God's chosen and favored people. Yet the destruction of Jerusalem and the exile of the people seemed a strange way for the "chosen people" to be treated by their God. Life has to be endured as it comes, however, and so the Jews lived apart from their holy city and their sacred soil for several generations. Finally, the Persians defeated the Babylonians and allowed the descendants of the exiled Jews to return and resettle their native land. Jewish pilgrims returned in smaller and larger groups over the next two centuries.

The Jews dealt with this trauma in their history by trying to explain why God had allowed the defeat and exile of the chosen people. All of their understanding of God drove them to find some rationality in this experience. This was especially true when a sufficient number had returned to allow them finally to begin to rebuild their country. They wanted to make sure that God's wrath would not descend on them again. They needed to know how they had offended God so that this behavior would never be repeated. Their first explanation was emotionally unsatisfying for it placed blame for unfaithfulness on their own ancestors and dishonored their parents, in direct violation of the Ten Commandments. Then they hit on what seemed a better idea. Alien influences were to blame, they said, "Some of our weaker ancestors had married foreign partners. These Gentile elements then brought corruption to our nation by polluting the true faith and the racial purity of God's people." The way to avoid a future disaster thus seemed clear. They must purge the nation of its non-Jewish elements by banishing them from the land. The half-breed children of these unholy unions must also go. The new land of the Jews must be for Jews only. So the law was decreed and vigilante squads were loosed on the people with instructions to check blood lines to the tenth generation in order to guarantee the racial purity of the newly established Jewish state. The true worship of a pure Jewish people was the only way to secure God's blessing. The Jewish state thus entered a period of internal violence.

It was because of the atmosphere produced by this mentality that an unknown Jewish person, presumably a man since women were not taught to write at this time, went to his home to devise a means of challenging these prevailing attitudes. He could not attack them openly in a public, political way, for that would be interpreted as running the risk of new defeat and a new exile. He had to confront these attitudes obliquely until their destructiveness was made clear. He had to find a way to hold up a mirror and to force the ruling authorities to look directly into it. Taking his quill in hand he decided to write a fanciful story filled with the exaggeration of a world of make believe, but so enchanting that everyone would want to hear it. In the privacy of his home, he did just that. When he had finished, a text of this story appeared suddenly and anonymously in Jerusalem at the height of the ethnic cleansing. The town crier gathered some people around him in a public square and this is the story he read.

Once upon a time there was a prophet in Israel whose name was Jonah. God called to Jonah and told him that he must go to preach to the people of Nineveh. "Nineveh," said Jonah, "you must be kidding. That is an unclean Gentile city. Why would you want me to do something that weird?" God was adamant, however, and God's message was clear, so Jonah had to respond. He did so in the classic way that people do when they are told by an authority figure to do something they really do not want to do, that is, Jonah said "Yes" but he meant "No" since he had no intention of obeying. Jonah, however, went through all the motions. He went to his home, packed a suitcase, went down to the port and booked passage on a boat, but to Tarshish and not to Nineveh. One does not go by sea to Nineveh. If caught, he reasoned, he could claim that he had misunderstood and by this time, God surely would have had second thoughts. All went well as Jonah boarded, unpacked his suitcase in his stateroom, put on his Bermuda shorts, got a good book and positioned himself topside in a deck chair as the ship pulled out into the Mediterranean Sea. The trip was uneventful until a dark cloud in the sky seemed to be shadowing the boat. Aware of this dark presence, the captain tried to escape it by turning the boat both to the right and to the left, but the cloud responded by turning in concert with the boat. While the rest of the sky was clear and blue, this cloud got darker and darker and from within it came flashes of lightning, the roar of thunder and finally rain. So strange was this phenomenon that the captain drew the obvious conclusion, "Someone up there does not like someone down here." In what he regarded as a scientific fashion, he sought to identify the culprit. He drew straws and the lot fell on Jonah. "What is this that you have done, Jonah?" "Well, God did tell me to go preach to the Ninevites, but I knew that God did not really care for the Ninevites, so I booked passage on this boat." The captain, who did not care for Ninevites either, understood and thought he would ride out the storm until a bolt of lightning struck near and a wave from the sea swept over the boat, hurling Jonah's deck chair from one end of the ship to the other. That was when the captain weighed his own security against Jonah's decision and decided that Jonah had to go. So, with the help of three deck hands, Jonah was seized by his limbs and on the count of three they heaved him overboard.

Jonah never hit the sea. God had created a great fish (the word whale never occurs in this story) that had been swimming in tandem with this boat waiting for its moment in the drama. Jonah fell into its open jaws, which closed over him, and Jonah found himself living in the belly of this great fish. Jonah had amazing adaptive qualities, so he settled down to make his new home comfortable by rearranging the furniture and hanging the curtains. For three days and nights, Jonah lived in this new, but somewhat confining, Mediterranean condominium until even the great fish got tired of Jonah (I think he smoked) and so, with a great primeval belch, the fish threw up Jonah, who tumbled head over heels onto a conveniently located sandbar. Jonah was clearing his head and taking in his new situation, when he heard a voice saying, "Jonah how would you like to preach to the people of Nineveh?" "Okay, God," he said, "You win. I'll go."

In one verse Jonah was in Nineveh, but still convinced that God was making a mistake, so he opted for a new form of resistance. In Frank Sinatra fashion, he concluded, "I'll do it, but I'll do it my way! I'll preach to the Ninevites, but I'll do it by muttering under my breath and only on the back streets and alley ways of the city." Around the city he went saying: "God says to repent. Repent and turn to God," hoping no one would hear. To his amazement everyone heard. Crowds gathered from every house and condominium confessing their sins, tearing their clothes in repentance and begging for God's mercy. Jonah was the most successful evangelist in the history of the world. Jerry Falwell would have eaten his heart out for this kind of response.

Jonah, however, was angry. Storming out of town, he said: "I knew this would happen, God. That is why I did not want to come. These wretched people deserve punishment. I know you, God! I know you will forgive! Why does your love not stop at the boundary of my love?"

Jonah found a spot outside the city where he sat and sulked. The sounds of the revival could be heard as "Sweet Hour of Prayer" was being sung by the penitents. God was strangely silent and night fell. When Jonah awoke, a giant plant had grown up near his head. During the day Jonah found protection from the desert sun in its foliage and sanctuary from the biting desert wind in its trunk. That night God created a worm that ate the giant tree, leaving only a small pile of sawdust. When Jonah awoke, he was distraught at the loss of his beloved tree. He wept, mourned and felt the depth of bereavement. Finally, God broke the divine silence and said, "Jonah, how is it that you can have such passionate feelings about this tree and yet no compassion for the 120,000 people of Nineveh, to say nothing of their cattle?"

The Book of Jonah ends there. Imagine that story being read on the streets of Jerusalem while ethnic cleansing was taking place in the city. As the story unfolded, the people roared at the depth of Jonah's bigotry until they realized that Jonah was a fictional portrayal of themselves.

The Book of Jonah remains in the Bible to this day to counter human attempts to say that the love of God is limited to the limits of my love or my religion's ability to love. There are no boundaries on the love of God. That is the message of Jonah. In God there are no distinctions between Jew and Gentile, male and female, black and white, gay and straight, left handed and right handed. God's invitation is "Come unto me, all ye" not "some of ye." We are to come "just as we are, without one plea." How dare Popes or Archbishops of Canterbury or religious institutions anywhere define anyone as beyond the limits of God's embracing love! When any ecclesiastical leader or religious tradition excludes or diminishes any child of God for the sake of "unity" or by defining God's love as limited, the Book of Jonah stands as biblical judgment on that leader and those attitudes.
 
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Wouldn't you like to share a take consisting of your own thoughts rather than copying and pasting someone else's?
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Is it OK if I happen to agree with what I posted?
 
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FAQ: Was Jonah alive in the fish?

A: Yes. (Jonah 2:1)

FAQ: The whole time?

A: No.

At some time during his nautical adventure, Jonah went to a place called sheol (Jonah 2:2) which he located at the roots of the mountains. (Jonah 2:6)

Well; I think it goes without saying that the roots of the mountains are not located in the tummy of a fish, rather, down deep in the Earth. So in order for Jonah to be down deep in the Earth while at the same time in the tummy of a fish, the man and his body had to part company.


FAQ: How did Jonah get from the roots of the mountains back into the tummy of the fish to rejoin his body?

A: Jonah underwent a resurrection. (Jonah 2:6, Matt 12:40)
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Did you read post #9?
 
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None! He was alive the whole time. He was speaking in metaphors---he also said

Jon 2:6 I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.

Obviously he was not in the fish forever--it's like when we get put on hold "forever" when it may be only 5 min. Just a manner of speech.
He was being dramatic---and why not---he is in the belly of the fish for 3 days---I'd be hysterical myself!
The acids are starting to work on his skin, he was probably bleached a little by the time he got out!
And it has happened!
July 30, 2013
"Chicago, IL – An Arkansas man is alive after being swallowed by a whale on Saturday while visiting the Shedd Aquarium. Jonah Anderson, 24, is being treated for mild dehydration at Chicago’s Mercy Medical Center after being regurgitated early this morning.

The incident happened while viewing the Beluga Whale exhibit at Shedd. Witnesses say the whale, Puiji, came out of the pool, grabbed Anderson, and proceeded to swallow him whole. Anderson remained unharmed inside the whale until this morning when he was spit back onto the viewing platform."

I guess we must give whales indigestion!

Did you happen to notice that the article was a satire?
 
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Taking his quill in hand he decided to write a fanciful story filled with the exaggeration of a world of make believe, but so enchanting that everyone would want to hear it. In the privacy of his home, he did just that. When he had finished, a text of this story appeared suddenly and anonymously in Jerusalem at the height of the ethnic cleansing. The town crier gathered some people around him in a public square and this is the story he read.
This is fanciful modern revisionism story telling.

I have no doubt Spong would come to his conclusion. The account of Jonah was the only sign Jesus would give the adulterous generation which demanded a sign from Him. And like that generation Spong denies the bodily Risen Christ.
 
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Did you happen to notice that the article was a satire?


Oh, No!!! I posted the wrong one!!! So sorry!! Here is the one I meant to post---

What a Fluke! Man Ends Up in Whale's Mouth | Live Science
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Is it OK if I happen to agree with what I posted?


I have neither respect nor tolerance for people who clutter forums with plaster posts of material that they themselves did not author; especially posts consisting of mostly nonsense.

The rules governing this area of Christian Forums clearly state that the focus of the Exposition and Bible study forum is the interpretation and explanation (exegesis) of Bible books, chapters or verses. What this entails is that scripture is provided with your explanation of the scripture for discussion and study. In other words: our conduct here, and our purpose, should be that of Bible teachers. That fantasy you posted does not satisfy the rules' criteria; it's unacceptable.
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This is fanciful modern revisionism story telling.

I have no doubt Spong would come to his conclusion. The account of Jonah was the only sign Jesus would give the adulterous generation which demanded a sign from Him. And like that generation Spong denies the bodily Risen Christ.
Revisionism how? It’s a reasonable reading of the meaning of the story. Even if you think it happened as history (which I think completely misunderstands the nature of the book), it has the implications Spong describes. I’m not usually a fan of Spong, but in this case he nails it.
 
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Revisionism how? It’s a reasonable reading of the meaning of the story. Even if you think it happened as history (which I think completely misunderstands the nature of the book), it has the implications Spong describes. I’m not usually a fan of Spong, but in this case he nails it.
His denial of the supernatural was quite clear.
 
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