Historist View is the Only View

[Dorothy Mae]

No. You confuse the conquest of the new nation of Beulah by the Anti-Christ, Zechariah 14:1-2, with all the Christian people electing their own leader. As my Bible quotes describe.
So who are heirs to the Kingdom now? Those who bear the proper fruit; every faithful Christian.

I don’t believe Dispensational teaching so this part we can leave alone. I don’t think any of what you described will happen. How shall we discuss it?

 

[jgr]

It doesn't.
Making the 1260 days of Revelation to mean years, is just foolishness.

Was the Reformation foolishness?

Were the 1260 years culminating in the deliverance of the true Church from spiritual enslavement, foolishness?

Were the vision and sacrifice in blood and death of the Reformers to achieve that deliverance, foolishness?

Is the spiritual freedom and liberty that you enjoy today because of their vision and sacrifice, foolishness?

Or does foolishness actually emanate from the pontifications of armchair counterfeit prophetic modernism?

Easy decision.

 

[keras]

Revelation gives the final period before Jesus Returns as, 1260 days or 42 months or 3 1/2 years. All relate to the same period.
Any other interpretation is in conflict with what the Bible prophets tell us.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Revelation gives the final period before Jesus Returns as, 1260 days or 42 months or 3 1/2 years. All relate to the same period.
Any other interpretation is in conflict with what the Bible prophets tell us.

Discussion is likely difficult with you. You view your interpretation as “proper” (meaning all other views aren’t proper) and now any interpretation but yours are in conflict with the prophets. It makes it difficult to hope for a good exchange.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Revelation gives the final period before Jesus Returns as, 1260 days or 42 months or 3 1/2 years. All relate to the same period.
Any other interpretation is in conflict with what the Bible prophets tell us.

Revelation describes, for the most part, the events that happened in 70 AD. They will never be repeated.

Now do your worst.

 

[visionary]

Hello everyone!

My name is Benjamin Holliday and I am an avid believer in the historical to present view of Daniel and Revelation. I believe the futurist view will simply never happen and many Christians are being mislead by such teachings. I also believe the Seventh Day Adventists are wrong in many ways on their views.

I invite any discussion or debate on the End Times provided people stay polite to those with different End Time views. I am willing to answer any questions people may have about them.

If during the course of the following discussions/debates you want to learn more about what I have to say I do have a book available on Amazon Kindle called The Revealing of Daniel and Revelation: A Detailed Study of the End Times. I am not here to promote my book, but to help others learn about the End Times free of charge.

Let me begin by saying I believe the historical view of Daniel and Revelation because the 70 weeks prophecy that proves Jesus is the Messiah uses the prophetic day to idealistic lunar year ratio from Ezekiel 4 and proves the days in Daniel are to be taken as based on a 360 day per year ratio, and since the 4th beast of Daniel is what Revelation is about, the 42 month/1260 day prophecy is actually 1241.889117 solar years long.

Anyone have any thoughts or questions on that? I will answer questions the best I can in a timely manner.

Is there no end time prophecies yet to be fulfilled?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Is there no end time prophecies yet to be fulfilled?

Judgement before the throne of great and small, saved and pagan.

 

[Douggg]

Revelation describes, for the most part, the events that happened in 70 AD. They will never be repeated.

Dorthy, if so, what lies ahead for mankind according to the bible?

 

[Douggg]

Judgement before the throne of great and small, saved and pagan.

What lies ahead for mankind between now and Judgment before the throne of great and small, saved and pagan ?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Dorthy, if so, what lies ahead for mankind according to the bible?

The kingdoms of this world are becoming the kingdom of our Lord!! Much more exciting than a man
on sin.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

What lies ahead for mankind between now and Judgment before the throne of great and small, saved and pagan ?

The Kingdoms of this world are become his kingdom. Tyrants are decreasing in the world.

 

[Douggg]

The kingdoms of this world are becoming the kingdom of our Lord!!

What are you seeing in the world that world lead you to that conclusion?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

What are you seeing in the world that world lead you to that conclusion?

Communism has fallen. The chinese and Russians can leave, become christians, live in freedom. They can own and read Bibles. East Germany as a nation is no more. i’ll look how many tyrants there were in 1920 compared to 2020 later. In route to my daughter’s place for lunch.

 

[Douggg]

The Kingdoms of this world are become his kingdom. Tyrants are decreasing in the world.

The world is full of violence and suffering.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

The world is full of violence and suffering.

Nothing compared to previous centuries. Do you have to constantly carry a weapon? There were days when every man did. Governments used to kidnap men for their navies and armies. Subsahara Africa is very largely Christian. Iran has the fastest growing christian population in the world. Germany has experienced a generation who didn’t know war in their town for the first since the Roman days. The list goes on and on.

 

[Douggg]

Communism has fallen. The chinese and Russians can leave, become christians, live in freedom. i’ll look how many tyrants there were in 1920 compared to 2020 later. In route to my daughter’s place for lunch.

Europe has become full of muslim no go zones. China is persecuting it's citizens. The world is full of violence.

What is going to happen to mankind between now and the great white throne judgement? Does God know, but He isn't going to tell us? That is the big problem with 70ad view.

 

[Douggg]

Nothing compared to previous centuries. Do you have to constantly carry a weapon? There were days when every man did. Governments used to kidnap men for their navies and armies. Subsahara Africa is very largely Christian. Iran has the fastest growing christian population in the world. Germany has experienced a generation who didn’t know war in their town for the first since the Roman days. The list goes on and on.

I am talking about right now, today. What is ahead for mankind between today and the great white throne judgment? Does God know? Obviously He does. But according to the 70 ad view of Revelation, God is not going to tell anyone. Does that sound how God operates, to you?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Europe has become full of muslim no go zones. China is persecuting it's citizens. The world is full of violence.

Well I live in Europe and it certainly is not. But the Americans, particularly the clergy, like to comfort them with the idea that where they live is much better than in Europe or anywhere in the world. It isn’t true and if they ever left the US, they’d know what they’re missing. Sorry but life is better here in most ways. I know Americans hate to hear that.

What is going to happen to mankind between now and the great white throne judgement? Does God know, but He isn't going to tell us? That is the big problem with 70ad view.

He told us, many times actually, Old and New Testament, over and over.

Actually, understanding the fulfillment of Matt 24 and Rev and Daniel was in 70 AD opens up the understanding.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I am talking about right now, today. What is ahead for mankind between today and the great white throne judgment? Does God know? Obviously He does. But according to the 70 ad view of Revelation, God is not going to tell anyone. Does that sound how God operates, to you?

God has told us and some of us know. He has shown you, o man, what is good and what theLord desires of...but to do justly and to love mercy...and to walk humbly with your God.

 

[Douggg]

Well I live in Europe and it certainly is not. But the Americans, particularly the clergy, like to comfort them with the idea that where they live is much better than in Europe or anywhere in the world. It isn’t true and if they ever left the US, they’d know what they’re missing. Sorry but life is better here in most ways. I know Americans hate to hear that.

You are living in Europe, enjoying the benefit of the United States paying for and providing a big part of Europe's defense - while Europe pays nothing for the United States defense. I personally lived in Germany for 2 1/2 years, and disagree with what you say. The reason I was there, I was in the army occupying Germany as the result of two World Wars starting in Europe. I have also lived in Alaska for 20 years, and can tell you there is much more public land in the United States to freely fish and go on adventures on, where a person doesn't see another person for three weeks, while in Europe where every tree is numbered.

There is a big time muslim invasion problem in Europe which has called a back lash to nationalism. Brexit for example is in big part based on the free movement policy in the EU, that Britain is dealing with an influx of muslims creating no go zones for nonmuslim and disrupting the culture.

The EU is going to become the Kingdom of the beast, and Switzerland paradise Europe, is going to be right in the middle of it.

But setting all that aside, the world is full of violence, and certainly is not moving in the direction of becoming the kingdom of God. The 70 ad view discards what God has to say about the future of mankind, all the way to end of the age, and attempts to make God silent. But God is not silent. Revelation applies to our day, because the prophecies are geared to when knowledge and travel are increased in Daniel 12:7, time of the end. Jesus is the apha and omega, the beginning and end of this present earth.