Does Jesus NOT know the day of his future second coming????

[DennisTate]

If God was speaking through them they would immediately jot it down them look at it afterwards and say, hey, that's good. Thanks Lord. Nothing need be figured out, but simply passed on. No neat package need be produced so that the masses will understand. Everything should stand on it's own merit, unpolished, unaltered.

Dr. Eben Alexander was advised to do exactly this by his son who even told him..... do not read other near death experience accounts.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If God was speaking through them they would immediately jot it down them look at it afterwards and say, hey, that's good. Thanks Lord. Nothing need be figured out, but simply passed on. No neat package need be produced so that the masses will understand. Everything should stand on it's own merit, unpolished, unaltered.

And,
as you know,
IF truth was their experience,

it would NOT contradict SCRIPTURE, no, not at all...

Once years past, Dennis had apparently some true belief, then POOF!, some experience or choice(s) CONTRADICTING truth came to him, and he CHOSE to go believe something instead of what he once apparently believed, (what once he believed and was in line with Scripture I think) , and instead now, many of his nde examples posted (or all of them) CONTRADICT SCRIPTURE, that he himself apparently once believed.... WHAT caused the change ? < shrugs ? > a woman? money ? illness ? false hope? I don't know....

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I think this is Best advice to date: concerning nde....
actually , this is the best advice for everyone - do not read nde accounts - all of them tested so far in this forum have been proven deceptive, as far as I know.

 

[Norbert L]

Matthew 24


Mat 24:36

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Does this statement include even Jesus himself?????

There's a very interesting event from the Bible that involves God's predictive power. It's where David is in a city and Saul finds out, you may know of it. David asks God if he stays in the city, will its' citizens hand him over to Saul. God tells David yes they will. Was David handed over? He fled the city and was not captured by Saul.

What does that tell us? If more than the Father knew the day and hour than there's a likelihood of it not happening. It's very similar to 1 Corinthians 2:8 , very similar. Does that mean Jesus doesn't know? There's the other question of did Jesus know when he would be born of a virgin and end up being crucified? All indications are that He was also very aware of what day he would eventually die on the cross.

I believe there is substantial evidence that Jesus is aware of that day but it may not necessarily be as fixed to a precise moment in time as we want to think of it. We like to put God in a box. Basically what I'm saying is God can change the date to His liking. Luke 22:42

 

[DennisTate]

More than enough agreement from the Bible Believers to not trust joyner: >>>

Rick Joyner's Demonic Voodoo "Church"

Rick Joyner, Todd Bentley and the New Apostolic Reformation by Slaughter of the Sheep

Rick Joyner-False Teacher of the Year 2016

The NAR's Infallible Prophet Rick Joyner by Churchwatch Central

Rick Joyner is a major leader of the New Apostolic Reformation.

-This article by Steven Kozar

But... the writers of these articles could eventually find out that they are deceived and may be in a very similar attitude to the Scribes and Pharisees who opposed John the Baptist and Messiah Yeshua - Jesus and the first century disciples?!

All I know is that I've read three of Rick Joyner's books so far and they really, really helped me to understand my gifted Pentecostal wife.

Posts #1 and #3 here have a story that might be very useful to anybody with a ministry to homeless people:

Could some homeless people be far closer to G-d than we imagine?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

But... the writers of these articles could eventually find out that they are deceived and may be in a very similar attitude to the Scribes and Pharisees who opposed John the Baptist and Messiah Yeshua - Jesus and the first century disciples?!

No. Fighting to defend the false teacher and false teachings is not good.

Scripture is NOT on the side of the false teachers and false gospels.

Scripture is the standard (that apparently you once knew and believed!) .

Scripture is STILL THE STANDARD, THE TRUTH, no matter what you followed or believed otherwise. Leaving Scripture is a disaster !

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

All I know is that I've read three of Rick Joyner's books so far and they really, really helped me to understand my gifted Pentecostal wife.

This might be best on the forum (open to the public) not to pursue. Privately pray and read the Scripture, and be ready to obey Yahuweh no matter what the cost..... instead of not obeying Him, as when following the false teachers and false (proven false) ndes.

 

[DennisTate]

And,
as you know,
IF truth was their experience,

it would NOT contradict SCRIPTURE, no, not at all...

Once years past, Dennis had apparently some true belief, then POOF!, some experience or choice(s) CONTRADICTING truth came to him, and he CHOSE to go believe something instead of what he once apparently believed, (what once he believed and was in line with Scripture I think) , and instead now, many of his nde examples posted (or all of them) CONTRADICT SCRIPTURE, that he himself apparently once believed.... WHAT caused the change ? < shrugs ? > a woman? money ? illness ? false hope? I don't know....

The Worldwide Church of God got me up out of Atheism......
and for this I am eternally grateful but perhaps their greatest teaching to me was on how NOT to do church?!

They believed Sola Scritura and Soul Sleep but.... there is a second type of the Word of God in front of us..... the creation!

Every rock, every blade of grass.... every tree, every person.... every animal was also made by the Word of God for our learning and after I read the near death experience of Dr. George Ritchie I remembered 2 Corinthians 12 and I knew that perhaps my church had gone off in the wrong direction.......

Dr. George Ritchie's Near-Death Experience

c. His Experience of the "Receiving Station"

Jesus then takes Ritchie to another realm and is shown a kind of "receiving station" where spirits would arrive in a deep hypnotic sleep because of a particular religious belief they held to be true. Here there were "angels" trying to arouse them and help them realize, "God is truly a God of the living and that they did not have to lie around sleeping until Gabriel or someone came along blowing on a horn." These are the spirits of people who believe they must sleep in their grave until the second coming of Christ (i.e., soul sleep.)

It is difficult to come out of a Soul Sleep teaching church because by the time that we begin to realize that they may be in error the members there are like our family!

I just listened to this for the first time.. it is less than three minutes and I see no clear contradiction to any scripture in this short testimony by Dr. George Ritchie.

 

[timothyu]

Dr. Eben Alexander was advised to do exactly this by his son who even told him..... do not read other near death experience accounts.

I agree that influence of others, not in putting forward an idea, but demanding others then follow it, can be fruitless.
After all, consider sowing seeds. Nowhere does Jesus say stick around and determine how they grow. He knew full well man would more often than not have them grow in their own image than the ways of the Kingdom. That proved to be true as the religion pulled away from the Kingdom/governance of God and back to the traditional institutional ways/governance of man.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The Worldwide Church of God got me up out of Atheism......
and for this I am eternally grateful but perhaps their greatest teaching to me was on how NOT to do church?!

They believed Sola Scritura and Soul Sleep but....

I think you brought up soul sleep (so-called) before.
I think it was mentioned that you do not have to even consider soul sleep.
The people in the worldwide church that I met did not, as far as I know.
Also, they remained hungry for God's Word (the truthful ones), and did not go off in error following false teachings like you did. (don't leave one false teaching for a worse one like you did)

Instead of continuing worse, ask Yahuweh (God) for HIS Wisdom (not the false wisdom of the false teachers / nde or not) ....

HE KNOWS THE TRUTH! and HE will not lie to you, like the false teachings do.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Every rock, every blade of grass.... every tree, every person.... every animal was also made by the Word of God for our learning and after I read the near death experience of Dr. George Ritchie I remembered 2 Corinthians 12 and I knew that perhaps my church had gone off in the wrong direction.......

.... again, whatever God's Purpose for you, leaping from the frying pan into the fire is worse, not better, not the right direction.....

 

[timothyu]

Once years past, Dennis had apparently some true belief, then POOF!, some experience or choice(s) CONTRADICTING truth came to him, and he CHOSE to go believe something instead of what he once apparently believed, (what once he believed and was in line with Scripture I think) , and instead now, many of his nde examples posted (or all of them) CONTRADICT SCRIPTURE, that he himself apparently once believed....

Many people go test the waters to get a better understanding. We are not here to reverse-engineer God but seek Him in our own ways. Perhaps some need to test other things and possibly either find them false or how they may actually fit into the big picture.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Many people go test the waters to get a better understanding. We are not here to reverse-engineer God but seek Him in our own ways. Perhaps some need to test other things and possibly either find them false or how they may actually fit into the big picture.

Likewise - I did not 'leave' to test the waters, but was still led down the infamous garden path at times - deceived by what 'looked' like it was legitimate, and well could have kept going down that road , the wide road, of deception to destruction,
if not for the grace of God !

Now seeing others on a similar wide road to destruction is heart wrenching. especially when they try to pass the false gospel off as if it was true - something I never did , by perhaps sheer grace ! Never try to pass off the false gospel as if it was true....

 

[timothyu]

I think this is Best advice to date: concerning nde....
actually , this is the best advice for everyone - do not read nde accounts - all of them tested so far in this forum have been proven deceptive, as far as I know.

Or perhaps just wait. We all find out in the end. What use is advanced knowledge? John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Or perhaps just wait. We all find out in the end. What use is advanced knowledge? John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

What is written about the deeds (and teachings) of darkness - just wait? be quiet? Maybe sometimes, and other times - DO NOT TAKE PART in the deeds of darkness (ndes and false teachings) , INSTEAD EXPOSE THEM...... who knows but that they might be saved though as if only barely by the skin of their teeth from the false ways.... ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

"Members of our own family might be our worse enemy". Who said this ?

 

[timothyu]

Now seeing others on a similar wide road to destruction is heart wrenching.

But you understand there are many paths to finding God and the need to search. In the end all paths should lead back if the seeker is truthfully seeking God. As for false teaching the blind have been leading the blind within Christianity for almost 2000 years. (I hope I get to live long enough to drop the almost )

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

But you understand there are many paths to finding God and the need to search. In the end all paths should lead back if the seeker is truthfully seeking God. As for false teaching the blind have been leading the blind within Christianity for almost 2000 years. (I hope I get to live long enough to drop the almost )

Notice your own words,
when the blind lead the blind, they DO NOT GET SAVED, rather they BOTH fall into the pit.
NOT all paths lead back to God - no.
Yes, IF the seeker is truly seeking GOD, then GOD will Save them from ALL the false paths that lead to destruction , all on the wide path to destruction, and they will find Him, that is HIS PROMISE if they keep on seeking Him. (obviously they must be truthfully seeking Him, as He says - those doing it for "show", find out on judgement day they didn't make it)

 

[timothyu]

NOT all paths lead back to God - no.

Agreed and the Lord Lords also will someday find that out

ALL the false paths that lead to destruction

How do you know a path is false without often first journeying on it? You certainly can't count on religion to tell you. It was the first to abandon the Kingdom in order to rejoin the world of man as a partner in human power.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

How do you know a path is false without often first journeying on it?

Jesus says: MY sheep KNOW MY VOICE, and follow me - another voice they will not follow (they run from ) ..
Also, I see MANY paths , just on the internet, and KNOW they are false because they contradict God's Word. HIS WORD is a LIGHT TO OUR FEET, to guide us and keep us and clean us up like Jesus said of the other permanent disciples in the NT ...

IF we don't know, like one or more paths I once went down for a little while, along the way, it becomes more and more obvious, unless God abandons us to the false path,
unless Jesus the Good Shepherd does not care for us His sheep.... we can be led astray for a while, and come back, if we are willing to accept God's Scourging, Discipline, Training, Direction, Correction, etc ... (and not reject Him , not reject Jesus)....

 

[timothyu]

Jesus says: MY sheep KNOW MY VOICE, and follow me - another voice they will not follow (they run from ) ..

Right and He spoke of the Kingdom. How many Christians even know about the Kingdom rather than the religion and ways of the world. The whole idea is to find the Kingdom, step through the looking glass or down the rabbit hole. Until then everything of man is false.

The more false trails a person follows hopefully they will figure all paths of man lead nowhere. That is why God booted us here out of the Garden. The best way to learn you are wrong is to live with yourself.