Lake of Fire

[mkgal1]

Except there are still many wicked left after that

That's your opinion. I'm not convinced it's God's opinion, though (I agree with you.....I believe there're plenty of people I'd consider "wicked" around.....but I believe that title was reserved for a certain group that ended in 70 A.D.).

 

[brinny]

brinny said: ↑
A Savior was necessary because of sin, to redeem those who are repentant.

I don't believe Adam's sin is what motivated Christ. Think of it this way.....you have your day all planned out to the minute - you knew what you were going to do and when....and then someone rear ends your car and disables it (stay with me, here, I do have a relevant point). Now the rest of your day is different than you had planned. You have to arrange to get a rental car.....you need to notify your insurance agent....you may even have to go to the doctor. Who planned the rest of your day? Were YOU in charge of how things went......or did someone else's error plan the order of the rest of your day?

It's the same thing. God didn't get caught off guard by Adam's sin. He didn't come to earth in the flesh as a response......He (I believe) had planned from the foundation of earth that He would come in the flesh (to demonstrate His LOVE for us). Romans 5:8

I don't believe Adam's sin is what motivated Christ.

After Eve's and Adam's sin, God Himself stated that there would be One to crush the serpents head. That is Jesus Christ, Who crushed the serpent's head. Only He, the Holy one, the Lamb of God, could do this. This was spoken way back in Genesis.

 

[martymonster]

The same verses you posted. They are written for the saved.

There is no such grace for the unrepentant.

Yes, but where do you get that Christian will have to go through the fire, in the day of the Lord?

 

[sdowney717]

That's your opinion. I'm not convinced it's God's opinion, though (I agree with you.....I believe there're plenty of people I'd consider "wicked" around.....but I believe that title was reserved for a certain group that ended in 70 A.D.).

It just does not fit the prophecy, your interpretation.
If you change your mind you have to modify your view, I am not sure you are able to do this on your own.

 

[brinny]

brinny said: ↑
A holy God's wrath and judgement.

Yes the end of the old ways of man and those who perpetuated them. Life to those of the Kingdom, second death (kinda final) to the rest. No eternal life for the naughty self serving souls. Destroyed forever with no third chance.

The unrepentant are forever conscious of their torture in the lake of fire. It is for eternity.

That is why there is such an urgency for all who have ears to hear, to repent and seek forgiveness, and are thus saved from what is to come for those who are not redeemed.

 

[Not David]

As soon as you tell me where Christ and the Apostles used any English words.

1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.​

Salvation requires Father, Son and Holy Spirit, all three.
There is one God. The Father is God but He is not the Son or the Holy Spirit. The Son is God but He is not the Father or the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God but He is not the Son or the Father. There is one God.

Luke 18:27 And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.
Matthew 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
Mark 10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.​

You didn't get my point.
Our beliefs are not taken out of direct quotations repeated in every book of Scriptures.

 

[timothyu]

Christ came to give eternal life to the sheep of His flock.

Again, the Kingdom, a second chance

 

[brinny]

brinny said: ↑
The same verses you posted. They are written for the saved.

There is no such grace for the unrepentant.

Yes, but where do you get that Christian will have to go through the fire, in the day of the Lord?

Believers will go through a fire that will burn away the dross, etc.

For the unrepentant, they are condemned to the lake of fire for eternity, where there is no grace, etc.

 

[martymonster]

Exo 22:29 Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.

Come on people, just because God wants the first fruits of the harvest, do you really think that means he is gong to destroy everything that comes after that?

 

[timothyu]

The unrepentant are forever conscious of their torture in the lake of fire. It is for eternity.

Then they have been given life called a second death? Life is for the Kingdom only. The rest is organic waste to be disposed of once and for all.

As for urgency that might work out well for those pushing a religion or church, but those who are sick of the ways of man and in favour of the ways of the Kingdom are quite patient to wait, and use their time fruitfully in promoting the Kingdom.

 

[timothyu]

For the unrepentant, they are condemned to the lake of fire for eternity, where there is no grace, etc.

True no third chance, No Kingdom V: 2.0 by way of God's grace. Only the second eternal death.

 

[timothyu]

do you really think that means he is gong to destroy everything that comes after that?

We were already dead once. What's wrong with a replay for those who refuse the meet the qualifications of the Kingdom?

 

[brinny]

brinny said: ↑
For the unrepentant, they are condemned to the lake of fire for eternity, where there is no grace, etc.

True no third chance, No Kingdom V: 2.0 by way of God's grace. Only the second eternal death.

There is no death. It is conscious torment for eternity.

That is why there is an urgency to avoid it for those who have ears to hear.

This might help:

 

[brinny]

brinny said: ↑
The unrepentant are forever conscious of their torture in the lake of fire. It is for eternity.

Then they have been given life called a second death? Life is for the Kingdom only. The rest is organic waste to be disposed of once and for all.

As for urgency that might work out well for those pushing a religion or church, but those who are sick of the ways of man and in favour of the ways of the Kingdom are quite patient to wait, and use their time fruitfully in promoting the Kingdom.

It's a fully "conscious" state, for eternity.

 

[timothyu]

There is no death. It is conscious torment for eternity.

Oh, God was mistaken when calling it the second death. Sorry, I should have known better.

 

[timothyu]

It's a fully "conscious" state, for eternity.

Missed the memo. Can you show me where it says that? I know the fallen angels will need aloe but they are already eternal.

 

[brinny]

brinny said: ↑
There is no death. It is conscious torment for eternity.

Oh, God was mistaken when calling it the second death. Sorry, I should have known better.

The condemned are not annihilated.

When there is the "death" of death, so to speak, and the curse that entered in with the sin of Adam and Eve, there is no longer "death. It was destroyed along with the curse, as it is written. (i will find the Bible verse if you wish, however this video below spells it out quite clearly).

Therefore there is no longer death,and there is no annihilation. Whatever sinful condition the unrepentant are in at the judgement, remain as they are, and consciously, for eternity.

 

[brinny]

brinny said: ↑
It's a fully "conscious" state, for eternity.

Missed the memo. Can you show me where it says that? I know the fallen angels will need aloe but they are already eternal.

Yes, they are eternal.

So are we.

 

[Der Alte]

You didn't get my point.
Our beliefs are not taken out of direct quotations repeated in every book of Scriptures.

When people take a verse here and a verse there and jam them together irrespective of context that leads to false doctrine.

 

[timothyu]

Therefore there is no longer death,and there is no annihilation. Whatever sinful condition the unrepentant are in at the judgement, remain as they are, and consciously, for eternity.

Yes hell (the grave) and death are cast into the fire, needed no more, needed no more just like the unrepentant. Hell and death can't exist forever more. We are all resurrected. Only those not in the book meet a second death. Rational thinking and what scripture says should override tradition of certain churches.