I need some advice on a situation at work

[A_Thinker]

if they have trouble filling the position, and you do well in it, you may wind up with the position eventually.

This is a common occurrence ....

 

[A_Thinker]

Since August, 2018? If so, now is the time to put it squarely to the higher-ups why you aren't qualified after doing the job they might have thought you were not up to.

That's how I see it, although it does suppose that if you are snubbed and also expected to continue doing the job without being paid for it, you might have to resign.

If you aren't prepared to do that, prepare to do the job without title or the salary that is supposed to come with it. They may in fact be counting on just this scenario.

It sounds like he's just filling in on occasion. Having full responsibility for the position would be a different thing.

And another way to look at the situation, ... is that he's apparently not yet demonstrated to his management that he's a good choice for the permanent position.

If he wants the job, I think he needs to step it up ...

 

[Albion]

It sounds like he's just filling in on occasion. Having full responsibility for the position would be a different thing.

Hmm. I didn't understand it quite that way, but whatever I advised was predicated upon him having done most of the work that is normal for that position and over a significant period of time. If, as you suspect, it is just a few tasks now and then, his bargaining position would be poor.

 

[lismore]

I would advise to take on the work, and do your best. Even if you do not always hit personal numbers, if they have trouble filling the position, and you do well in it, you may wind up with the position eventually.

Hello Tall. I would agree. To take inspiration from Joseph in the bible. He was falsely accused, went to the prison, in the end became number 2 in the Egyptian Empire. Unjust things happen to us, we need to trust in God and give him time to work on our behalf.

Bythespirit, hope things turn around for you soon. My advice would be don't react in anger or in haste, you don't know what is going on with the management. Bear it for now.

God Bless

 

[timothyu]

My advice would be don't react in anger or in haste, you don't know what is going on with the management. Bear it for now.

If he is asked to do the management job he should be in on what is going on with management.

 

[Redwingfan9]

So I'm an assistant manager with a wireless carrier, we have not had an actual store manager for 6 weeks (august 1). My district manager has known since mid-june they needed a replacement. I applied for the position but because I'm not a "yes" man and my numbers are somewhat low I didn't get it. Which I am actually ok with, but that's not the issue.

My leadership is constantly asking me to do tasks and take on responsibilities that are found only on the store manager's responsibility list, as found in the company's HR site. Now, after having some fill ins come out here to the store, which is an hour away from the nearest location, apparently they are out of fillins so next Tuesday they have told me I'm doing it.

Thus my dilemma. I am strictly about getting paid to do a job. I have filled in plenty of times before with no fuss, because I was trying to show I could do the job. Now that I applied for the job and was turned down, its a different story. How do you expect me to do a job that you said I wasn't able to do by denying my application?

I've really drawn a line in the sand here, now I have a week to change my mind, but really should I? I have applied to all sorts of jobs. I am SICK of sales! Have some experience doing office work, but no takers thus far. I know I can't afford to get fired or lose the position, but what recourse do I have?

Why can't these upper managers just hire someone to take the position? I truly am ok not having the spot, I would love to have been promoted but it didn't happen, ok. But don't then ask me to do the job just not pay me for it. Such disrespect. Am I just being extreme?

With all due respect, you're acting like someone who will never move up because you're unwilling to do what's asked of you. At the end of the day, as Christians it is our job to submit to our employers lawful authority and do the best job we can for Christ's sake. Complaining about job titles and responsibilities isn't going to get you anywhere with your employer and it does a disservice to Jesus.

Beyond that, view the job as an extended interview. Perhaps if you wow them they'll reconsider.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

Hmm. I didn't understand it quite that way, but whatever I advised was predicated upon him having done most of the work that is normal for that position and over a significant period of time. If, as you suspect, it is just a few tasks now and then, his bargaining position would be poor.

Seems like filling in as store manager when necessary ... is a requirement for the job you have now. You need to think about whether you want to keep that job.

OTOH, you yourself are aware of your shortcomings regarding the store manager position. Seems that your management doesn't feel like you'd be the best fit for the position long-term.

You could change that, I guess, to show that you're more of a team player.

Management is sort of like, being on the team. Someone who is not with the program ... could very well be a problem.

The other solution ... is to find another job ...

It sounds like he's just filling in on occasion. Having full responsibility for the position would be a different thing.

And another way to look at the situation, ... is that he's apparently not yet demonstrated to his management that he's a good choice for the permanent position.

If he wants the job, I think he needs to step it up ...

Just for clarification if it's been lost amongst my other replies. I wanted the job, and applied for it back in July when it was first posted. I have a reputation here at work for not being a "yes" person, and didn't expect to get it when I applied, but did anyway. Now remember, I said I wanted (past tense).

They turned me down which I'm actually okay with. What I'm not okay with is how they are now me to do the job now that they still haven't hired a replacement, but are not going to pay me for it. I had a talk just an hour ago with my immediate supervisor and they told me it wasn't their problem.

As someone suggested already, I can do the job as a sacrifice of sorts to the Lord. This is the best course of action I suppose. I am looking for other employment, hopefully not sales. Will just have to keep praying about it.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

With all due respect, you're acting like someone who will never move up because you're unwilling to do what's asked of you. At the end of the day, as Christians it is our job to submit to our employers lawful authority and do the best job we can for Christ's sake. Complaining about job titles and responsibilities isn't going to get you anywhere with your employer and it does a disservice to Jesus.

Beyond that, view the job as an extended interview. Perhaps if you wow them they'll reconsider.

Did you even read what I submitted? I stated I don't even care about the promotion anymore, which I don't. What I care about is being asked to do a job that I'm not going to get paid for. Is it unethical or un-Christian like to ask to receive fair compensation for a job done?

 

[Redwingfan9]

Did you even read what I submitted? I stated I don't even care about the promotion anymore, which I don't. What I care about is being asked to do a job that I'm not going to get paid for. Is it unethical or un-Christian like to ask to receive fair compensation for a job done?

Fair compensation is what you agree to work for. If you don't like your pay ask for a raise. Otherwise, you're paid what you bargained for.

 

[carp614]

It's a sacrifice you have made before. It seems reasonable to me that you might feel taken advantage of. But I don't think that is a good reason to turn it down now. In one sense it seems like an opportunity to show that you are bigger than that decision. It also seems like a strong point that you could make with the supervisor involved. As in, "Happy to do this even though I got overlooked. Why don't you think about giving it to me anyway. Just until you find someone better. Because I can't just keep stepping in like this without getting paid for it."

It's your call. You can always look for something better in your free time.

 

[Albion]

As someone suggested already, I can do the job as a sacrifice of sorts to the Lord.

Just my opinion, but I don't think that's a sacrifice to the Lord. It sounds good when put that way, but it's not a good work or a denial of self so that someone else can benefit or anything like that. It's grinning and bearing, which is better than pouting or getting furious, etc. but that's all we can say from a Christian perspective.

I persist in thinking that if this is the best you can get (and it appears from the most recent info that it is) then there is something to be said for rolling with those punches and hoping for breaks later on. But none of that "sacrifice" stuff.

My best wishes to you!

 

[timothyu]

At the end of the day, as Christians it is our job to submit to our employers lawful authority and do the best job we can for Christ's sake.

That sounds like the thinking of those Christians seeking power in DC while supporting the powerful.

 

[Redwingfan9]

That sounds like the thinking of those Christians seeking power in DC while supporting the powerful.

This is basic Westminster Larger Catechism teaching. In the Larger Catechism, questions 126-132 deal with the duties of superiors and inferiors.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Thus my dilemma. I am strictly about getting paid to do a job.

Which would explain why you are not getting promoted. They expect you to do above and beyond. We always get back what we put into life. No on ever gets cheated out of anything. Some people can not see past the nose on their face to see where the future is going to take them. I think even the women in China working in a factory for less then $100 a month. Sometime in their life they will receive compensation for the work they do. What we do will find us, be it good or evil. As we get older we get promoted. Sometimes it takes a bit longer then we would like but they are just making sure that we are ready to do the job. Good you can do your job without a supervisor. My son did a whole internship once and he never had a supervisor. They just assigned him things to do and they expected him to do it on his own and find the help he needed.

 

[lismore]

If he is asked to do the management job he should be in on what is going on with management.

Maybe even they don't know what's going on

 

[timothyu]

This is basic Westminster Larger Catechism teaching. In the Larger Catechism, questions 126-132 deal with the duties of superiors and inferiors.

Maybe so.. but like I said...

 

[timothyu]

Maybe even they don't know what's going on

Can you hear me now?

 

[Bruce Leiter]

So I'm an assistant manager with a wireless carrier, we have not had an actual store manager for 6 weeks (august 1). My district manager has known since mid-june they needed a replacement. I applied for the position but because I'm not a "yes" man and my numbers are somewhat low I didn't get it. Which I am actually ok with, but that's not the issue.

My leadership is constantly asking me to do tasks and take on responsibilities that are found only on the store manager's responsibility list, as found in the company's HR site. Now, after having some fill ins come out here to the store, which is an hour away from the nearest location, apparently they are out of fillins so next Tuesday they have told me I'm doing it.

Thus my dilemma. I am strictly about getting paid to do a job. I have filled in plenty of times before with no fuss, because I was trying to show I could do the job. Now that I applied for the job and was turned down, its a different story. How do you expect me to do a job that you said I wasn't able to do by denying my application?

I've really drawn a line in the sand here, now I have a week to change my mind, but really should I? I have applied to all sorts of jobs. I am SICK of sales! Have some experience doing office work, but no takers thus far. I know I can't afford to get fired or lose the position, but what recourse do I have?

Why can't these upper managers just hire someone to take the position? I truly am ok not having the spot, I would love to have been promoted but it didn't happen, ok. But don't then ask me to do the job just not pay me for it. Such disrespect. Am I just being extreme?

No, you're not being extreme! My advice: I've applied for and gotten many different jobs over the years. I would apply everywhere I felt I had the talent for. I would pray that God would open up the job that he wanted me to have. Go for another job almost full-time and call the prospective employer every week to keep your application/resume on the top of his pile. But above all pray persistently for God's blessing on your search while you do your best at your present job. My daughter says that finding a job is a full-time job. She's right, but persistent prayer is the key that God uses to open the lock along with a good, honest application or resume. I'll pray for you daily.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

Mods, can we close this thread? I didn't really want it on CF's front page (I know this isn't anyone fault, just saying) and I have received the answer(s) I was looking for.

 

[gideon123]

Look, the present managers in most US companies are the worst set of managers I have ever seen. Its all about money, and they have no respect for dignity. You are getting kicked around like a soccer ball.

Why? Because this guy who is controlling you is playing to a playbook, and the playbook is written with scummy rules.

Clear?

Punt the ball. Tell them to go take a hike. BUT BEFORE you do, pray about it. Always pray.

Blessings!