Can we date divorcees?

[joshua 1 9]

All divorce and remarriage = adultery no matter the reason.

Paul clearly says:
"1 Corinthians 7:28 But if you do marry, you have not sinned. " Is there some sort of difference between his use of the word for Sin and the word Adultery?

 

[Dave L]

Paul clearly says:
"1 Corinthians 7:28 But if you do marry, you have not sinned. " Is there some sort of difference between his use of the word for Sin and the word Adultery?

Who is he talking to?

 

[nanookadenord]

This seems to assume that marriage can solve a problem. Paul says that they are going to have problems IF they get married.

Can we put this on the balance and weight the problems. He is going to have problems if he remains single and if he gets married he is going to have problems.

What happens when he gets married if his wife decides that she does not want to have sex anymore? How many people get married so they do not: "burn with passion" only to end up in a sexless marriage? Is there some way we can have assurance that the marriage is going to solve this "burning with passion" issue?

I brought up "burns with passion" because that is what Paul uses in scripture. I was using a partial scripture verse.

 

[joshua 1 9]

We can make this say whatever we want with a few "adjustments".

Or we can just use the KJV so we do not need to make any adjustments.

Everything goes back to Moses and the Torah. Jesus talks about how the two are to become one flesh. Then HE goes onto say: "Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”

The problem is when you say: If you are divorced then you must remain single. This is adding to the word of God and Jesus clearly teaches that we are not to add to the word of God.

Woes to Scribes and Pharisees
…2“The scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So practice and observe everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4 They tie up heavy, burdensome loads and lay them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them" Matthew 23:3

You want to tie a heavy burden on people when you are not willing to lift a finger yourself.

 

[nanookadenord]

We can make this say whatever we want with a few "adjustments". But divorce does not exist in God's sight in the NT. Pagans divorce but they are still married.

Chapter and verse please where it says that divorce does not exist in God's sight in the NT?

 

[Dave L]

Or we can just use the KJV so we do not need to make any adjustments.

Everything goes back to Moses and the Torah. Jesus talks about how the two are to become one flesh. Then HE goes onto say: "Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”

The problem is when you say: If you are divorced then you must remain single. This is adding to the word of God and Jesus clearly teaches that we are not to add to the word of God.

Woes to Scribes and Pharisees
…2“The scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So practice and observe everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4 They tie up heavy, burdensome loads and lay them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them" Matthew 23:3

You want to tie a heavy burden on people when you are not willing to lift a finger yourself.

If divorce is not an option, which it is not in the NT. People are married for life, divorced or not.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Who is he talking to?

Paul is talking to divorced men.

"Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife."

"But if you do marry, you have not sinned. And if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this." 1Cor7 27

Paul says they are clearly going to have problems and he wants to spare them. Both the virgin and the divorced man. But he makes it clear that they have not sinned.

 

[joshua 1 9]

If divorce is not an option, which it is not in the NT. People are married for life, divorced or not.

So are you suggesting that murder is better then divorce. If a women is unfaithful she should be stoned? Because Jesus does not seem to be making that suggestion. Also what about rape. Should a wife that was raped be stoned to death. Then you do not have to worry about remarriage because you are now a widower.

I wish I could join you in your little fantasy world. But as it is we have to live in and deal with the real world. This is why Paul deals with these issues that are outside of God's perfect will for us. Just as Moses made provision for when people hardened their heart against God.

 

[Dave L]

Paul is talking to divorced men.

"Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife."

"But if you do marry, you have not sinned. And if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this." 1Cor7 27

Paul says they are clearly going to have problems and he wants to spare them. Both the virgin and the divorced man. But he makes it clear that they have not sinned.

How do you reconcile "are you loosed, seek not a wife?" With "but if you marry you have not sinned"...when he tells the divorced not to seek a wife? When Divorce is not an option in the NT?

 

[nanookadenord]

So are you suggesting that murder is better then divorce. If a women is unfaithful she should be stoned? Because Jesus does not seem to be making that suggestion. Also what about rape. Should a wife that was raped be stoned to death.

I wish I could join you in your little fantasy world. But as it is we have to live in and deal with the real world.

Not to mention that he is basically equating remarriage with the unforgivable sin, which it clearly isn't!

I also think that Dave L is ignoring me. We have sparred in the past and I am still waiting on him to provide me with the correct chapter and verse from a couple months ago. As well as answers to some of my questions that he conveniently ignored.

 

[Dave L]

So are you suggesting that murder is better then divorce. If a women is unfaithful she should be stoned? Because Jesus does not seem to be making that suggestion. Also what about rape. Should a wife that was raped be stoned to death.

I wish I could join you in your little fantasy world. But as it is we have to live in and deal with the real world. This is why Paul deals with these issues that are outside of God's perfect will for us.

If divorce does not exist, which it does not in God's sight, all divorce and remarriage is adultery no matter the reason.

 

[nanookadenord]

If divorce does not exist, which it does not in God's sight, all divorce and remarriage is adultery no matter the reason.

Book, chapter and verse where it states that divorce doesn't exist in God's sight? Especially since what did God do to Israel? Oh that's right, He divorced her and went to Judah.

 

[joshua 1 9]

If divorce does not exist, which it does not in God's sight, all divorce and remarriage is adultery no matter the reason.

We are not talking about remarriage, we are talking about polygamy or a man having more then one wife. You already established that divorce does not exist. Then you contradict yourself and say it does exist. Make up your mind. You can not have it both ways.

 

[Dave L]

We are not talking about remarriage, we are talking about polygamy or a man having more then one wife.

The only reference in the NT I can think of is church officials having only one wife, assuming some believers had more than one. But direct quotes are hard to come by.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Book, chapter and verse where it states that divorce doesn't exist in God's sight? Especially since what did God do to Israel? Oh that's right, He divorced her and went to Judah.

Jeremiah 3:8 "I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce and sent her away because of all her adulteries. Yet I saw that her unfaithful sister Judah had no fear; she also went out and committed adultery." Does this mean God had two wives: Israel & Judah?

 

[joshua 1 9]

The only reference in the NT I can think of is church officials having only one wife, assuming some believers had more than one. But direct quotes are hard to come by.

Bingo, divorce and remarriage has to do with ministry. I do not think a divorced person under any conditions is entitled to be a pastor. They are called to live according to a higher standard to set the right example for people to follow. God can still use them but there are limits in terms of their calling.

 

[nanookadenord]

Jeremiah 3:8 "I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce and sent her away because of all her adulteries. Yet I saw that her unfaithful sister Judah had no fear; she also went out and committed adultery." Does this mean God had two wives: Israel & Judah?

Nope. It says that He gave Israel a certificate of divorce. He divorced her.

What I am trying to point out and I guess failing miserably (that's what happens when you haven't slept in nearly 36 hours) is that God does indeed see divorce.

 

[Dave L]

Bingo, divorce and remarriage has to do with ministry. I do not think a divorced person under any conditions is entitled to be a pastor. They are called to live according to a higher standard to set the right example for people to follow. God can still use them but there are limits in terms of their calling.

Divorce is not an option in the NT. It is unforgiveness. Polygamy doesn't involve divorce, just a less than good arrangement according to the OT.

 

[Dave L]

Jeremiah 3:8 "I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce and sent her away because of all her adulteries. Yet I saw that her unfaithful sister Judah had no fear; she also went out and committed adultery." Does this mean God had two wives: Israel & Judah?

That was a metaphor based on OT divorce. Divorce is not an option in the NT.

 

[nanookadenord]

Divorce is not an option in the NT. It is unforgiveness. Polygamy doesn't involve divorce, just a less than good arrangement according to the OT.

Back to the whole unforgiveness thing again. Chapter and verse where it states that divorce is unforgiveness?