When did the 10 Commandments Begin

[Dave L]

So did David not also walk in God's spirit? Does the law remove God's spirit?

The Two Great Commandments of love for God and people are written in the heart of all. That is, we know how we want to be treated, but we do not treat others as our own-selves = sin. But in those born again, these laws become a driving force in all of our thoughts and actions. So we naturally live in harmony with the Ten through them. As Paul says, love fulfills the law.

But the Ten Commandments were a street level version of the Two Great Commandments designed for the wicked. Jesus says they hung from the Two Great Commandments. Forcing the wicked to act good or suffer loss. Or promising success if they obeyed.

God removed the wicked and the Ten Commandments from Israel under the New Covenant leaving only believers as Israel. To whom he grafted believing gentiles into. Believers as always, walk in the light of the Two Great Commandments.

 

[Dave L]

Well then they obviously did exist, not in written form but in principle based on the Two Great Commandments. Because the great 2 commandments accomplishes the 10 and many more.

No, only the born again had the Law (the two great commandments) activated in their hearts trough the New Birth.

 

[Yarddog]

So did David not also walk in God's spirit? Does the law remove God's spirit?

Did David walk with God when he sinned by committing adultery? Was he walking with God when he sent Uriah to his death?

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Did David walk with God when he sinned by committing adultery? Was he walking with God when he sent Uriah to his death?

No. Not in those moments, but was Abraham a perfect man? But what is the point of that question though? Are you saying the introduction of the law prevented anyone from walking with God?

 

[Dave L]

No. Not in those moments, but was Abraham a perfect man? But what is the point of that question though? Are you saying the introduction of the law prevented anyone from walking with God?

All believers had (have) the Holy Spirit. Faith is a fruit thereof.

 

[Yarddog]

No. Not in those moments, but was Abraham a perfect man? But what is the point of that question though? Are you saying the introduction of the law prevented anyone from walking with God?

No, the law came to increase sin. Now man could see what God said to do or not do and that more sin in the weak.

The hardest two laws to follow deal with love. Love God and love your neighbor. There is an endless string of ways to obey or disobey these which aren't written down but those baptized in God Spirit have a guide within them to follow. That is how Abraham walked with God.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

No, the law came to increase sin. Now man could see what God said to do or not do and that more sin in the weak.

The hardest two laws to follow deal with love. Love God and love your neighbor. There is an endless string of ways to obey or disobey these which aren't written down but those baptized in God Spirit have a guide within them to follow. That is how Abraham walked with God.

I agree with that. At the end of the day nobody can do what God requires unless the spirit is leading him. So at the end of the day its never about you. So nobody could ever be saved based on their performance.

 

[Yarddog]

I agree with that. At the end of the day nobody can do what God requires unless the spirit is leading him. So at the end of the day its never about you. So nobody could ever be saved based on their performance.

Something you may not agree with.

The Garden of Eden is an allegorical account. The garden refers to righteousness or God's rest. Man must be created righteous by God. We cannot achieve it any other way.

The Tree of Life is Jesus Christ whom God's children are free to eat from and live forever.

The Tree of Knowledge is the Law. Those that eat from it receive death.

Adam is the Hebrew people and when he chose to eat from the tree he chose to reject righteousness and place himself under the law. God then condemns him to work the soil which refers to man's works which produce nothing good. He is then banned from God's rest and a cherubim placed to guard Eden so he could not return. ( Think about Paul's writing from Hebrews 6:4)

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Ok so lets break it down. When did lying or stealing or coveting first became sinful? Was it as the moment God gave the commandments to Moses?

Man has the ability to know what is right and what is wrong instictivly. We are made in God's image. Unfortunatly, God only found Noah and his family worthy of saving. So I would say that is when rightious behavior was recognized and rewarded.

 

[Tone]

The Tree of Life is Jesus Christ whom God's children are free to eat from and live forever.

The Tree of Knowledge is the Law. Those that eat from it receive death.

Then who is the lawless one of Thessalonians?

2 Thessalonians 2
"7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one who now restrains it will continue until he is taken out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of His mouth and abolish by the majesty of His arrival. 9The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and false wonder 10and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them."

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Something you may not agree with.

The Garden of Eden is an allegorical account. The garden refers to righteousness or God's rest. Man must be created righteous by God. We cannot achieve it any other way.

The Tree of Life is Jesus Christ whom God's children are free to eat from and live forever.

The Tree of Knowledge is the Law. Those that eat from it receive death.

Adam is the Hebrew people and when he chose to eat from the tree he chose to reject righteousness and place himself under the law. God then condemns him to work the soil which refers to man's works which produce nothing good. He is then banned from God's rest and a cherubim placed to guard Eden so he could not return. ( Think about Paul's writing from Hebrews 6:4)

Well you were right. I don't agree with that allegory at all. Nothing in the bible claims this to be an allegory. Plus, the death which Adam would have suffered was the penalty of sin. Sin is actually the problem. The plan of salvation is to save us from sin,, not the law. God created the law but he did not create sin. Sin came about because of the devil so sin is the problem and God will ultimately get rid of sin. So you add sin to the human race and you get death. You remove sin and you get eternal life. All the law does is provide a knowledge of sin.

Its actually also interesting that he gave Adam and Eve a law. He told them not to eat of the tree of knowledge, good and evil. Why did God give them a law in the first place and not just not have to tree at all so they had no possible knowledge of wrong.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

No Ten Commandments before Sinai

““The LORD our God made a covenant with us at Mount Sinai. The LORD did not make this covenant with our ancestors, but with all of us who are alive today.” (Deuteronomy 5:2–3)

Yes, Dave still back to his old tricks. I have proven him wrong many times previously yet he still persists. I guess it was OK to murder Abel? The Sabbath was kept before Sinai...even in Exodus 16. Dave must think God made them all up at Sinai LOL

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Man has the ability to know what is right and what is wrong instictivly. We are made in God's image. Unfortunatly, God only found Noah and his family worthy of saving. So I would say that is when rightious behavior was recognized and rewarded.

Actually I think its more the opposite. God was not rewarded Noah and his family, he was destroying the wicked and starting over because of their unrighteousness and he used Noah to try to save as many of them as possible. So he is actually recognizing unrighteous behavior more so.

But even to recognizing righteous behavour, before all of this, God did take Enoch to heaven because he walked with God to the extend that God decided to bless him this way.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Actually I think its more the opposite. God was not rewarded Noah and his family, he was destroying the wicked and starting over because of their unrighteousness and he used Noah to try to save as many of them as possible. So he is actually recognizing unrighteous behavior more so.

But even to recognizing righteous behavour, before all of this, God did take Enoch to heaven because he walked with God to the extend that God decided to bless him this way.

This verse in Exodus 16 is important.

Exo 16:27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

This was before the 10 commandments were given. Based on what God said here, it does not seem like he was referring only to the instruction he gave to Moses concerning the Manner and how they were to gather it. It seems like God is frustrating over prolonged disobedience to his commandments. It implies that in some respect God did give laws previously that they were not following.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Believers as always, walk in the light of the Two Great Commandments.

Dave the 2 "great commandments" you quote are IN THE TORAH.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

No, only the born again had the Law (the two great commandments) activated in their hearts trough the New Birth.

Those 2 "great commandments" are in the Torah




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[Yarddog]

Then who is the lawless one of Thessalonians?

2 Thessalonians 2
"7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one who now restrains it will continue until he is taken out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of His mouth and abolish by the majesty of His arrival. 9The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and false wonder 10and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them."

Who do you believe it is?

 

[Tone]

Who do you believe it is?

Well, if we use your reasoning in post #88, he is the one who did not partake of the "Tree of Knowledge".



*And he doesn't die...


**Both of which contradict what is Written.

 

[Yarddog]

Well you were right. I don't agree with that allegory at all. Nothing in the bible claims this to be an allegory. Plus, the death which Adam would have suffered was the penalty of sin.

Yep, he disobeyed the spoken word of God who said not to eat from the three or he would die. (Genesis 2:17)

Sin is actually the problem.

Anything not of faith is sin. (Romans 14:23)

The plan of salvation is to save us from sin,, not the law.

Faith in the works of Jesus Christ saves us from sin, not faith in our works of the law.

All the law does is provide a knowledge of sin.

Yep, the Tree of Knowledge.

Its actually also interesting that he gave Adam and Eve a law. He told them not to eat of the tree of knowledge, good and evil. Why did God give them a law in the first place and not just not have to tree at all so they had no possible knowledge of wrong.

God "told" Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge, the law, but instead freely eat from the Tree of Life, Jesus Christ, and live. Those who had received Christ but turned back to the law were called Anti-christ by the Apostles.

 

[Tone]

The law started when God placed it on the Hebrews. Before that, faith was the law.

Faith in the works of Jesus Christ saves us from sin, not faith in our works of the law.

Maybe be more clear?