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Discussion in 'General Theology' started by PROPHECYKID, Aug 17, 2019.

  1. Tone

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    Did the lawless one partake of the law...or not?
     
  2. Ozarks Prodigal

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    Something to not forget... not saying you're wrong, just something more to think about. In my understanding, Christ was the law and took the place of the old Mosaic Law which was a shadow of things to come. What did Christ have to say about this? Say no more...

    John 12:48–50 (NASB95)

    48“He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.

    49“For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak.

    50“I know that His commandment is eternal life; therefore the things I speak, I speak just as the Father has told Me.”

    Just something to think about... I 'm not trying to make a point, just kicking in my two cents worth.

    God bless...
     
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  3. GraceBro

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    I think a place to start is Romans 2:14-16, where it says, "For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus." One could make the argument that everybody on earth was a Gentile up until God changed Jacobs name to Israel (Genesis 32:27-28). Therefore, you could say that the law of God was written on their hearts prior to the Exodus and God giving the commandments to Moses. It is safe to assume that there were laws governing conduct up until that point in time. It is no different today. Do we need to refer to the law of God to know things like murder, robbery and adultery are sinful? No, we all have a sense of what is right and wrong in general. Anyway, that is my two cents. Grace and peace.
     
  4. Yarddog

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    Has the lawless one come yet?
     
  5. Tone

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    I don't know, but will you answer any of my questions?
     
  6. PROPHECYKID

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    Totally disagree with your narrative. You're making connections with things the scripture does not connect.

    Let me ask you about the reality of what happened. Did God have to place the tree of knowledge there? Why did he bother to do that? Again, the devil didnt plant that tree, God placed it there so why did he?
     
  7. Guojing

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    Yep, Scripture is silent on whether Cain repented or not. So when it is silent, I will rather be silent too.
     
  8. DamianWarS

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    Satan doesn't have to tempt Eve to kill in order for killing to be sinful, even still, the act Eve committed brought death upon Adam. There are universal laws that don't need to be spoken or articulated in order for them to be inherently against God. Law is for judgement not to define base sin.
     
  9. Guojing

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    My point is simple, the law is needed for temptation to work on man
     
  10. DamianWarS

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    I get it, you're told not to touch the stove then all you can think about is touching the stove however there are base sins that transcend covenants and are universal. Had Eve killed Adam what do you think God would have done? Would Eve claim that God forgot to call it a sin so it doesn't count?
     
  11. Guojing

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    Interesting, my guess is that God would have raise him from the dead but who knows?
     
  12. DamianWarS

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    Adam is created in the image of God, so killing Adam is kill that which is created in God's image. How can this not be called an act against God even if it was not understood this way?
     
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  13. PROPHECYKID

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    Of course, there must be some sort of law whether written or just in your heart in order for temptation to occur. But also, this same knowlede of right and wrong is what allows us to see our imperfection and understand the character of God. If I am being led by the flesh all the law will be to me is death because I will be a constant slave to sin and that knowledge of right and wrong will work to my detriment. But if I am being led by the spirit that same knowledge is freedom to me because I desire to do God's will out of a heart of love.
     
  14. Yarddog

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    It's a question that hasn't been explained since Paul wrote about so why do you want me to answer it but the lawlessness isn't what I was writing about.
     
  15. Guojing

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    Yep but the point remains, satan could not have successfully tempted eve to murder Adam, the temptation would not have worked.

    The apostle Paul made it clear that the strength of sin is the law.
     
  16. ICONO'CLAST

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    Hello OP.
    All judgment is given to the Son.
    Jesus is the law giver, Jesus was a law keeper
     
  17. A. Sinner

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    Would be kind of unjust for God to call people sinners before telling them what the sins are wouldn’t it lol
     
  18. DamianWarS

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    the law gives sin leverage but this doesn't mean sin doesn't exist outside of it. Eve doesn't need to be tempted in sin or even have the capacity to be tempted in that sin for it to be a sin. Sin was, is and always will be that which goes against God.
     
  19. Guojing

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    Romans 5:13 For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

    Paul makes it clear, sin may be present but it will not imputed to man when there is no law.
     
  20. mreeed

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    If Eve killed Adam before the fall, or vice versa, I think it would have to be unintentional, and therefore not sin. Like a toddler playing with matches. I don't think we are created in the same way as Lucifer that sin could just be 'found' in us before that ball started rolling...otherwise why the Tree of Knowledge, if it wasn't needed for testing?
     
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