Name a nation greater than the US and why

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Well since this thread is derailed beyond the point of return...



Would it? More specifically, if the US had to choose between Britain and Australia in a war, do you think it would back Australia?

I would imagine that if Britain gave up its democracy and replaced it with an absolute monarchial rule, the United States probably would no longer be allies with Britain and would favor Australian Democracy. However, all of this assuming that the United States hasn't devolved into a radical left communist dictatorship...Trump forbid.

 

[Pommer]

But there is nothing in the Second Amendment which implies that gun ownership be kept secret from the government, indeed, just the opposite. Nor is there anything that prohibits requiring liability insurance.

Usually a “well-regulated militia” would know exactly “who owns what? how many and where are they kept*?”

But that was before Heller where the second clause of the 2nd Amendment became paramount.

*why, heck, being a “well regulated militia” they might even had rules/laws about where guns are stored?

 

[Tom 1]

Suicides are a very big chunk of deaths by firearms (67%), while accidental deaths continue to drop.

Japan's high suicide rate (not a "very small" difference) is due to their culture, just like our violence against other people is due to ours. Just as Japan has their high rate of suicide without guns, we would have our high rate of violence without them. And yes, it would be just as tragic. Considering the types of injuries inflicted by the weapons in my previous post, dying from a gunshot sounds tame.

Having lived 65 years in close association with guns, I'll take them in preference to your government "safety".

It doesn’t seem like such a huge difference - 14.3 / 13.7 per 100,000 for 2016 according to WHO. Not that it changes the argument, but it’s pretty close. The highest numbers of death by suicides worldwide are among people with the means to do it effectively - but it’s hard to say if removing guns would have any affect on suicide stats.

Guns + an inclination towards violence at least increases the numbers of deaths. Far less people would be killed by some lunatic with a knife going into a school than with a firearm. Do you think that without guns people would be out in the street fighting with axes and swords?

It’s the US attitude towards government that is most difficult to understand. I don’t know how you see it but some people genuinely seem to think that the only thing between them and the government putting them in a work camp is having a gun, which is patently absurd on a number of levels. Across Europe very few people have guns, very few, and we are certainly freer than the average US citizen, as our education systems and media don’t involve the same level of brainwashing and emotional manipulation, and our politicians aren’t (at least not to the same extent) working for private interests. The government measures that do impinge on personal liberty - surveillance etc - are unaffected by whether or not you have a gun in the house.

 

[Tom 1]

Do people kill people because they own guns? Yes or no. I don't think anyone has ever been convicted of murder with a motive solely being because they owned a firearm. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. I know most liberals are scared of guns. But they don't have mind control abilities that force people to kill others because of the gun's insatiable thirst for blood.

People with guns kill more people. 1 terrorist attack (or mass killing if you prefer) in the US (where most acts of terrorism are committed by white males who can legally own a firearm) kills more people than for example 10 terrorist attacks that took place in Asia carried out by people using bladed weapons. Given that your police are armed in the US, bringing down some nut trying to kill people but without a gun would be much easier.

 

[Tom 1]

yeah, but what about all the wanna-be Minute Men who need their pretend army guns to protect themselves against The Gummint?

That’s something that comes up occasionally- is there genuinely a fairly widespread belief that the government is just waiting for people to give up those guns so that they can come in and take all of their stuff? I suppose the irony in that is that fewer and fewer people own an increasingly larger slice of the pie, and exert more and more control over what some groups of people in the US think. I suppose that is how you get to the situation of having someone like Trump in charge.

 

[kiwimac]

If your grandfathers and mine only knew, they would never have fought that war to begin with...

Load of hooey

 

[Skreeper]

How many people, organizations, and governments wish to eliminate the use of cars, airplanes, motorboats and steam boilers?

That's why gun ownership is protected in the Constitution; despots don't want armed subjects.

If we take a look at the most recent dictators and tyrannical governments throughout history in how many of these cases was the military on the side of the people instead of carrying out the orders of the government?

And now tell me how effective you think an armed public with 9mm weapons is against tanks, armored vehicles and drones.

 

[kiwimac]

Lets be real here. If not for the United States:
1. Russia would invade Eastern Europe.
2. China would invade Taiwan.
3. North Korea would invade South Korea.
4. The middle east would be one giant proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia.
5. Pakistan and India would be bombing each other back into the stone age.

And while all this things are unfolding, the EU and NATO would be sitting on their butts arguing about who is going to what to resolve the issues.

What a load of rubbish!

 

[Skreeper]

It is all a part of her "Green New Deal". High speed rail is supposed to replace air travel and all cars are going to be replace by electric vehicles.

Which is a good plan. We need to switch to renewable energy as soon as possible before we reach the point of no return.

 

[kiwimac]

Listen, you show me any country that you consider to be "great" and I will show you a country who was inspired, lead, or influenced by American greatness. It is because their people wanted what America already has.

Rubbish!

 

[Tanj]

I would imagine that if Britain gave up its democracy and replaced it with an absolute monarchial rule, the United States probably would no longer be allies with Britain and would favor Australian Democracy.

Interesting.

However, all of this assuming that the United States hasn't devolved into a radical left communist dictatorship...Trump forbid.

You think as a radical left communist dictatorship it would more likely side with an absolute Monarchy?

You understand Saudi Arabia is currently an Absolute Monarchy...that you side with... right?

In general I find your apparent belief that the US would side with governments more like its own naive and unrealistic. I think the US would side with whichever side best furthered its interests.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Load of hooey

Here is your hooey. A whole load full.
Video: Antifa terrorists assault veteran in wheelchair ⋆ Conservative Firing Line

 

[Tom 1]

Here is your hooey. A whole load full.
Video: Antifa terrorists assault veteran in wheelchair ⋆ Conservative Firing Line

I don’t think anybody would disagree that there are some real nuts in organisations like Antifa, but the same is true at both ends of the political spectrum. What is the point you want to make?

 

[Allandavid]

How many guns are in Australia? Now compare that to the number of guns in the United States. Then tell me what's the miraculous plan for the disappearance of all the guns in America? Yes, if you could wave a magic wand that would make all the guns magically disappear off the face your magical earth, the gun problem would be fixed.

Your problem demands your solution...

By all means, use the data from places like Australia, but yes, the American situation is unique....except for one aspect.

Like you, before we took action to drastically restrict access to firearms, we too had mass shooting occurring with alarming frequency.

 

[Darkhorse]

And now tell me how effective you think an armed public with 9mm weapons is against tanks, armored vehicles and drones.

The more-weaponized side clearly has the advantage. But if small arms in the hands of a large population are so harmless to despots, why do the despots confiscate small arms from the population as soon as possible?

 

[Allandavid]

The more-weaponized side clearly has the advantage. But if small arms in the hands of a large population are so harmless to despots, why do the despots confiscate small arms from the population as soon as possible?

Ummm....one out of left field here....because they keep shooting one another with alarming frequency...?!

 

[Skreeper]

The more-weaponized side clearly has the advantage. But if small arms in the hands of a large population are so harmless to despots, why do the despots confiscate small arms from the population as soon as possible?

Of course an armed population is more dangerous but it's still gonna lose in a fight with the military.

Don't kid yourself that you having small arms somehow prevents your government from going tyrannical.

 

[Colter]

The tiny, predominantly white Scandinavian Atheist countries are said to be better.

 

[Fantine]

Any country that invests in its greatest resource--its citizens--is ahead of the U.S. morally and actually.

We are #18 or lower--in healthcare, in education, and more. We are endangering the future of our planet with our energy policies. We lack compassion for refugees and the suffering. We incarcerate rather than rehabilitate.

I would say most of western Europe and Canada are better than the U.S.

 

[bhsmte]

The tiny, predominantly white Scandinavian Atheist countries are said to be better.

And why is that?