Does willful sin separate the elect from God?

[Grip Docility]

Isn't it a bit of a dichotomy when verse 9 says we are cleansed of all sin, to go and say you still have sin? Did Jesus lie?

Faith, not sight.

Sincerity, when confessing my sins one to another.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Faith, not site.

Sincerity, when confessing my sins one to another.

Your faith seems to be misplaced. You have more faith that you are a sinner, than the fact that Jesus has cleansed you of all sin?

 

[Grip Docility]

Your faith seems to be misplaced. You have more faith that you are a sinner, than the fact that Jesus has cleansed you of all sin?

My faith is in Jesus Christ... Alone. He supplies all my needs. How much more beautiful than the Lillie’s of the field does He dress me!

In Jesus Alone is my Faith. I have zero confidence in myself,

I exalt the Creator over the Creation.

He is my Rock and Fortress.

I’m not trading the Rock Foundation for Sand!

 

[Phil W]

That's the story of life even after being reborn.

Are you really saying that the seed of God CAN bring forth evil fruit?
I hope not...as that would nullify all of Jesus' parables about grape vines and fig trees.

 

[Phil W]

The truth is, even after being born again, a Christian will still sin every second of every day for the rest of their lives, with every breath they take. Anything that isn't done out of pure love for God is a damnable sin. Every breath a Christian takes is a damnable sin! No one not named Jesus Christ has EVER been able to do anything out of a pure love of God. The difference is that a Christian has his damnable sins cloaked in the righteousness of Christ, while a non-believer does not. Our sin is covered by Christ like a dungheap is covered by snow.

To be so adamant about a POV, you must have at least one scripture to back it up.
So, what is it?
How can breathing be a sin?

 

[Phil W]

I believe justification is the cleansing of all sin, and it is at that point that God sets us, His cleansed vessel, apart for good works, sanctification. The progression of good works is the glorification.

So you too call growth in grace and knowledge "sanctification"?
Scripture doesn't agree with you.
It is written..."By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." (Heb 10:10)
The "offering of the body of Jesus Christ" has been accomplished. It isn't an ongoing, gradual, program.
It is done and finished...and it sanctifies us when the atoning blood is applied to us.

 

[Phil W]

Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness. (1 John 1:8-10)

1 John 1:8 & 10 are written regarding those from verse 6...those who SAY they have fellowship with God but walk in darkness.
They are the ones who cannot say they have no sin.
Those from verse 7 have had all their sins washed away by the blood of Christ.
If they remain in the light, they can say they have no sin.

 

[Phil W]

Oh, my “Old Man” is indeed buried... but to be sincere... he stinks so bad in the decomposition... I know my place.

Why do you believe..."Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." (Rom 6:6)...
But not the next verse..."For he that is dead is freed from sin."? (Rom 6:7)

John wasn’t a reformer. The verse is in direct accusative, audience intended present tense. John opens his message up with that in mind.
How is that verse false?
John reiterates the same message in 1 John 1:10
He states it twice... (1 John 1:8-10) ..the repentance is emphasized and encapsulated in between the perpetual need to acknowledge that we still have sin. It is a call to perpetual repentance to be freed from sin.
It is a permanent “Change Of Mind”, that no longer believes in self sufficiency.
How is it false?

John is addressing two very different kinds of man/walk.
One is in the light/God, and the other is in darkness/sin.
The verses can only apply to one or the other, but not both.

 

[CharismaticLady]

My faith is in Jesus Christ... Alone. He supplies all my needs. How much more beautiful than the Lillie’s of the field does He dress me!

In Jesus Alone is my Faith. I have zero confidence in myself,

I exalt the Creator over the Creation.

He is my Rock and Fortress.

I’m not trading the Rock Foundation for Sand!

If you are born again of the Spirit it is not your own power that you walk in. It is the power of God. There is no self-boasting. The problem is, you don't believe in the power of God to cleanse you from ALL SIN. You still don't believe you are free, but who the Son frees, is free indeed.

 

[Grip Docility]

If you are born again of the Spirit it is not your own power that you walk in. It is the power of God. There is no self-boasting. The problem is, you don't believe in the power of God to cleanse you from ALL SIN. You still don't believe you are free, but who the Son frees, is free indeed.

I’m sorry... I know people and life. I indeed believe in the power of Jesus. There is scripture you walk over and trample when you promote Sinless perfection.

 

[Phil W]

Paul also introduced sin, weakness, into the Body of Christ, but the function of the Body is to be the atonement, kaporeth, the sin covering!

You are 'mixing your metaphors" by using the 1 Cor 12 verse.
Sin and weakness are two very different things, with two very different 'rewards'.

2 Corinthians 12
7Because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, for this reason, to keep me from exalting myself, there was given me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to torment me—to keep me from exalting myself!8Concerning this I implored the Lord three times that it might leave me. 9And He has said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness.” Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me.

Can't you tell Paul is referring to a physical ailment of some sort, and not to sin?

 

[Grip Docility]

Why do you believe..."Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." (Rom 6:6)...
But not the next verse..."For he that is dead is freed from sin."? (Rom 6:7)


John is addressing two very different kinds of man/walk.
One is in the light/God, and the other is in darkness/sin.
The verses can only apply to one or the other, but not both.

It’s a binary matter. A person either walks by faith or sight. There’s no in between that gets it right. Christ, Alone is my delight. He’s the Morning Star, Bright. Exodus 14:14

I’ve learned to be still and KNOW that HE is GOD.

 

[Phil W]

I’m sorry... I know people and life. I indeed believe in the power of Jesus. There is scripture you walk over and trample when you promote Sinless perfection.

Do you think God finds fault with exhortations to obey Him perfectly?

 

[CharismaticLady]

So you too call growth in grace and knowledge "sanctification"?
Scripture doesn't agree with you.
It is written..."By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." (Heb 10:10)
The "offering of the body of Jesus Christ" has been accomplished. It isn't an ongoing, gradual, program.
It is done and finished...and it sanctifies us when the atoning blood is applied to us.

Read my post again, as its meaning went over your head. We happen to be on the same page regarding this subject, or did you forget that we've already discussed this.

I see in scripture that justification and sanctification are back to back at the moment of being born again of the Spirit. Justification is being cleansed of all sin, and at that moment, God sets us apart as a clean vessel (sanctification) for good works. Neither justification, nor sanctification are progressive. What is progressive is developing the divine nature of God which to differentiate from the myth about sanctification, that lie that getting rid of sin is progressive, is called glorification. Look at my post again, and you will see that is exactly what I said.

 

[Phil W]

It’s a binary matter. A person either walks by faith or sight. There’s no in between that gets it right. Christ, Alone is my delight. He’s the Morning Star, Bright. Exodus 14:14

I’ve learned to be still and KNOW that HE is GOD.

Then turn from sin permanently.
Flee servitude to sin.
Grasp on to the One who can keep you from sin.
Believe 1 Cor 10:13..."There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."
Look for the God given escapes.

 

[Grip Docility]

Do you think God finds fault with exhortations to obey Him perfectly?

Yes... That was His charge against the Pharisees. The Pharisees placed obedience above MERCY!

We all desire to obey. Those that claim they do... negate that Christ died because we can’t. Bull dozing over plain scripture to exalt one’s salvational state above others that are hurting is not a servant heart.

This is written in Blood by Jesus Christ.

 

[Grip Docility]

Then turn from sin permanently.
Flee servitude to sin.
Grasp on to the One who can keep you from sin.
Believe 1 Cor 10:13..."There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."
Look for the God given escapes.

His death is the escape! He saves me from the wretched man I am! I will not surrender to exaltation of Self! I surrender to Christ, Alone!

He is my hope and the hope of many more like me. May whited tombs cease.

And profess my perpetual need for Him!

 

[Phil W]

Read my post again, as its meaning went over your head. We happen to be on the same page regarding this subject, or did you forget that we've already discussed this.
I see in scripture that justification and sanctification are back to back at the moment of being born again of the Spirit.

Agreed.

Justification is being cleansed of all sin, and at that moment, God sets us apart as a clean vessel (sanctification) for good works. Neither justification, nor sanctification are progressive. What is progressive is developing the divine nature of God which to differentiate from the myth about sanctification, that lie that getting rid of sin is progressive, is called glorification.

Where in scripture is it said that justification is the cleansing of sin?

 

[CharismaticLady]

I’m sorry... I know people and life. I indeed believe in the power of Jesus. There is scripture you walk over and trample when you promote Sinless perfection.

People and life, like the world? That is called the natural man, but in a spiritual sense is the carnal nature.

True repentance is not sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent in a never ending till you die scenarios. True repentance should be a one time event, not having to be repeated because of being dead to sin. That is when we receive the sinless, all powerful Holy Spirit, called grace. And that opens up a whole other mythical topic called God winking at sin called unmerited favor.

 

[CharismaticLady]

What verse says justification is "being cleansed of all sin"? That sounds progressive to me.
You notice I have substituted "sanctified", past tense for your "sanctification".
I also substituted "Being justifjustified ied" for "Justification"

I don't mean it to sound progressive, but use it as in Romans 3. I have stated before that sanctification in scripture is in the past tense, meaning happening at the beginning.

23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,