Law of sin and death?

[1stcenturylady]

Go read Acts 21. The Acts 15 agreement (referenced there) was ONLY to gentiles coming to New Covenant faith, NOT Jews. (which included Paul)

Do you believe Gentiles have to become Jews to be Christians? Go read #330.

 

[W2L]

So if someone has an emotional affair, but does not have sex, they are liable for the death penalty?

Jesus died for us.

 

[Dave-W]

Galatians 3:24. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.25. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.26. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.27. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”

If you have been around this forum for any length of time you will know that your application of that passage is very lacking.

It is talking about one thing ONLY: the overall equality of all believers. IT is NOT saying there are no male or female (otherwise same sex marriage would not be an issue at all) but if you take no male or female the same way you are trying to present no jew or gentile, that is what you get. Either both are right or both are wrong. It cannot be one this way and the other that way. Not in the same sentence.

 

[pinacled]

Not doing it intentionally simply teaching from scripture

Scripture is enough to expose things

I will try to simply quote scripture mostly

Then pause and consider with respect That ole sh'aul stated that the Torah(law is holy and a reconciled gift.

With Truth in spirit consider your words carefully.

The false prophets teach children to trample generosity.

Do you recall the number of stars in the Lords hand?

 

[Dave-W]

Do you believe Gentiles have to become Jews to be Christians? Go read #330.

Absolutely not. It would be a confusion of callings before God.

That was what the council of Acts 15 settled. What the issue became a century later was if Jews had to become gentiles in order to be Messianic (Christians). Again the answer is NO.

 

[W2L]

Did Jesus set us free from the law of sin and death by dying in our place?

 

[1stcenturylady]

Absolutely not. It would be a confusion of callings before God.

That was what the council of Acts 15 settled. What the issue became a century later was if Jews had to become gentiles in order to be Messianic (Christians). Again the answer is NO.

Both were missing the point. Both had to be born again of the Spirit to be saved.

 

[LoveofTruth]

If you have been around this forum for any length of time you will know that your application of that passage is very lacking.

It is talking about one thing ONLY: the overall equality of all believers. IT is NOT saying there are no male or female (otherwise same sex marriage would not be an issue at all) but if you take no male or female the same way you are trying to present no jew or gentile, that is what you get. Either both are right or both are wrong. It cannot be one this way and the other that way. Not in the same sentence.

I didn’t say anything I just quoted it you seem to be trying to change it or explain it away

 

[Dave-W]

I didn’t say anything I just quoted it

You just quoted it to "prove" there is no Jew or Gentile in the New Covenant community. I was making the point and you quoted this to refute it.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Then pause and consider with respect That ole sh'aul stated that the Torah(law is holy and a reconciled gift.

With Truth in spirit consider your words carefully.

The false prophets teach children to trample generosity.

Do you recall the number of stars in the Lords hand?

Hebrews 7:19. For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.”

Only this way now

Hebrews 13:20. Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,21. Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.”

But some still try this way,

Galatians 3:2. This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?3. Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?”

 

[LoveofTruth]

You just quoted it to "prove" there is no Jew or Gentile in the New Covenant community. I was making the point and you quoted this to refute it.

I never said New Testament community nor did the scripture I quoted that’s what you tried to say it says no Jew or Gentile “in Christ’ that’s different

 

[pinacled]

Was Adam a Jew? That's who we inherited our sin nature from, because Adam's sin brought in death. I am united with Jews so how can I be antisemitic?

Yes, adamah is a jew.
A living soul given a promised hope and light of Yeshua to come.

 

[Dave-W]

I never said New Testament community nor did the scripture I quoted that’s what you tried to say it says no Jew or Gentile “in Christ’ that’s different

New testament community = body of Christ. Same thing.

 

[LoveofTruth]

New testament community = body of Christ. Same thing.

No to be in Christ is in the law of the. Spirit of life this is salvation. But there were some who were among the saints in their community that had not faith and who were unbelievers etc.

And I don’t change the scripture to try and fit my view

“ 1 Corinthians 14:23. If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad.”

1 Corinthians 15:34. Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.”

Even some of those leaders among the community were ministers of Satan

2 Corinthians 11:12. But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.13. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.14. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.15. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.”

And we read ,

Jude 1:12. These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;”

 

[pinacled]

Hebrews 7:19. For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.”

Only this way now

Hebrews 13:20. Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,21. Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.”

But some still try this way,

Galatians 3:2. This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?3. Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?”

Perfect knowledge that puffs up like leaven.
I imagine ole sh'aul is d'rashing here about elihu(Satan) that exalted himself instead of esteeming and comforting iyov while he suffered for doing good.

 

[pinacled]

No to be in Christ is in the law of the. Spirit of life this is salvation. But there were some who were among the saints in their community that had not faith and who were unbelievers etc.

And I don’t change the scripture to try and fit my view

“ 1 Corinthians 14:23. If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad.”

1 Corinthians 15:34. Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.”

Even some of those leaders among the community were ministers of Satan

2 Corinthians 11:12. But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.13. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.14. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.15. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.”

And we read ,

Jude 1:12. These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;”

Cloud by day and fire by night reminds me of the alter and Shabbat.
Have you ever considered the embers of the alter while observing the evening stars?

A healthy diet of hot coals does wonders for the soul.

 

[visionary]

True, so what do you think "above the law" means?

When they understood the law of gravity, they were able to fly. When we understand the laws that God has put into place for every matter, like the law of gravity, we will be able to be above the law. Yeshua is able to walk through walls, walk on water, appear here and there, be lifted heavenward, etc. He is above the law. It works in His favor. He never breaks any of His laws, He lives within the confines, and excels in the advantages of knowing and living within their laws. We all need to stop fighting against His rules, and start believing them and their value, and start being obedient and blessed in that obedience.

 

[Tone]

Oh,
Then where should a Pharisee raised in the spirit of knowledge(milk) find understanding(honey) unless a person ask for strength in forgiveness.

That knowledge?

Hmph.

I like how you are explaining things more (with the parentheses)...thanks!

*Less cryptic for the babes.

 

[pinacled]

I like how you are explaining things more (with the parentheses)...thanks!

*Less cryptic for the babes.

Freely received....,

 

[JLB777]

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.​

What exactly does this mean? According to Torah:

Leviticus 20:10
‘If there is a man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, one who commits adultery with his friend’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.​

Does this mean the death penalty is off the table? I know our Lord let a woman caught "in the very act" off the death penalty hook on 2 grounds: 1 - no one would testify against her and 2 - no one grabbed the man.

So how does that relate to this?

Matthew 5:28
but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.​

Is that person liable to the death penalty?

The death is eternal death.


The law of sin and death is not the law of Moses.



JLB