What human species was Adam and Eve?

[Gregory Thompson]

you do realize that humans are synapsids

Google says: a fossil reptile of a Permian and Triassic group, the members of which show increasingly mammalian characteristics and include the ancestors of mammals.

Yeah, it's just cats were not in the picture you showed, so not sure which animal got the cat eyes.

 

[Brightmoon]

Google says: a fossil reptile of a Permian and Triassic group, the members of which show increasingly mammalian characteristics and include the ancestors of mammals.

Yeah, it's just cats were not in the picture you showed, so not sure which animal got the cat eyes.

go look in the mirror it’s that little red bump in the corner of your eye by your nose.

that google article is a little inaccurate. Synapsids are reptilomorphs not reptiles. The classic reptiles, dinosaurs, pterasaurs, and birds are diapsids which is the other reptilomorph lineage. Some birds and classic reptiles also have a 3rd eyelid. So the 3rd eyelid is a very old trait. Synapsids split from the diapsids back in the Permian

 

[GodLovesCats]

I did not say i believe in creationists i said i believe in JESUS.

By denying science, you are believe what creationists say. That is believing in creationists.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Google says: a fossil reptile of a Permian and Triassic group, the members of which show increasingly mammalian characteristics and include the ancestors of mammals.

Yeah, it's just cats were not in the picture you showed, so not sure which animal got the cat eyes.

The truth is reptiles with hair led to the creation of mammals, but that does not automatically mean all of the synapsids are human ancestors. A lot more research must be done to conclude all synapsids with hair are ancestors of apes.

 

[Brightmoon]

One lineage of synapsids became mammals . We aren’t descended from a dimetrodon type synapsid but they are cousins . The tree of life is extremely bushy

 

[GodLovesCats]

go look in the mirror it’s that little red bump in the corner of your eye by your nose.

They are not always visible when people look in the mirror.

I wish we had white ones like cats.

 

[GodLovesCats]

One lineage of synapsids became mammals . We aren’t descended from a dimetrodon type synapsid but they are cousins . The tree of life is extremely bushy

Animals that lived hundreds of millions of years ago can't be our cousins, but other synapsids are.

 

[Alithis]

By denying science, you are believe what creationists say. That is believing in creationists.

Ok shall i spell it for you... i believe in J E S U S.. Its the english spelling for JESUS.
He is the Word of GoD by whom all things were created.
His word is true and everlasting.
Science is the incomplete observation by fallible mankind (with numerous agenda mostly unedifying) of the physical world which does not comprehend the nature or operations of God who is Not governed by the laws observed and who is unchanging.
Science is utterly flawed undecided ,disagreed upon and consistant only in proving itself wrong continually..

I will stick with believing his word Over your theories .thanks.
Now..again - I have unwatched this thread. Please dont quote me so i get the notification.

 

[Brightmoon]

Animals that lived hundreds of millions of years ago can't be our cousins, but other synapsids are.

bacteria that were alive billions of years ago are our ancestors. In fact we eucaryotes use a lineage of purple bacteria (alpha proteobacteria) as our mitochondria and plants also use a lineage of Cyanobacteria as chloroplasts. Chloroplasts and mitochondria are actually bacterial symbionts that live wrapped in the outer cell membrane.

 

[dcalling]

does that really warrant a mark? If they hate him so you would think a mark would make it easier to find him. a mark suggests people know the mark but not the person so the mark is needed in order to separate him from others.

I would think angels would be smart enough but his own siblings? well, that's a pretty far-flung estranged family. this story doesn't lends itself to a literal account be it neanderthals having to be reminded who not to kill or angry brothers and sisters who want to avenge their brother and apparently a tattoo on him represses this. Not to mention the Genesis account does not read that there was a pile of sons, but only 3, Cain, Able and Seth.

That is a mark from God, not just some tatoo. I doubt any language can describe what kind of "mark" it is. All I know is, if God leave a "mark" one someone, it will have profound effects that we won't be able to understand.

 

[dcalling]

the Adam and Eve story is silly only if taken as an actual history because it’s not possible for just 2 individuals to be the ancestors of everyone. You’d get severe problems with inbreeding including sterility and high rates of genetic diseases after a while . We have this problem with cheetahs and there’s certainly more than just 2 . Some Orthodox Jews are having a problem with Tay Sachs disease because of low population numbers. And that’s just for that story. Noah’s Flood and the earth being less than 10,000 years old are another problem as there is no verifiable evidence for either one

Let's take what you think is "silly" to some reasoning. When God created Adam and Eve, what state do you think the genes are? They are perfect without defects!

So yes, scientifically it is TOTALLY possible for all human race to start from just 2 people, IF their genes are perfect. God only give the commandment of not to marry your close kin later in the Bible, when we humans are way to corrupted.

Does this answer your question? What other 'silly stories' you think are definitely not real and been long refuted?

 

[Brightmoon]

Yes it’s possible to make up just so stories . But scientists don’t do that. They have verifiable physical evidence for their claims , you only have a bunch of short paragraphs from a very old book and you’re making up your genetic information

The other silly stories that have been refuted for over a century at least :Global flood , geocentric universe, flat earth, the earth stopping it’s spin, separate creation of living organisms . These are all in the Bible . Some just aren’t possible and none of them have evidence that supports them

 

[dcalling]

Yes it’s possible to make up just so stories . But scientists don’t do that. They have verifiable physical evidence for their claims , you only have a bunch of short paragraphs from a very old book and you’re making up your genetic information

You are confusing the topics. I am refuting you claim that 2 people can't populate the entire earth, my claim is if their genes are perfect they can. What part of making up story is there? Do you deny the scientific possibly of it? Do you realize that?

The other silly stories that have been refuted for over a century at least :Global flood , geocentric universe, flat earth, the earth stopping it’s spin, separate creation of living organisms . These are all in the Bible . Some just aren’t possible and none of them have evidence that supports them

How do you refute a global flood? You don't think it is possible that at some point of the earth's xbillion year history earth is covered with water?
Flat earth is not a concept from the Bible.
God is all capable, do we even understand what time is? why can't time be stopped? Do you think just because you can't stop time, no one can (and it is scientifically impossible to)?
And why is seperate creation of living organisms impossible? When you create a program, you use existing modules don't you? When you encounter a palace in the desert, you don't say that the nature accidently created it, you will immediately recognize it has a creator don't you?

 

[GodLovesCats]

Bacteria that were alive billions of years ago are our ancestors. In fact we eucaryotes use a lineage of purple bacteria (alpha proteobacteria) as our mitochondria and plants also use a lineage of Cyanobacteria as chloroplasts. Chloroplasts and mitochondria are actually bacterial symbionts that live wrapped in the outer cell membrane.

Only animals can be ancestors of other animals. One definition of an animal is having more than one cell. Bacteria are in their own kingdom in the Tree of Life.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Seeing a debater about creation vs. evelotion that makes no sense (both extreme views are wrong) when I only asked about two people is ridiculous. I had specifically asked what species two people were, not whether evolution of life in general is Biblical.

 

[rjs330]

the Adam and Eve story is silly only if taken as an actual history because it’s not possible for just 2 individuals to be the ancestors of everyone. You’d get severe problems with inbreeding including sterility and high rates of genetic diseases after a while . We have this problem with cheetahs and there’s certainly more than just 2 . Some Orthodox Jews are having a problem with Tay Sachs disease because of low population numbers. And that’s just for that story. Noah’s Flood and the earth being less than 10,000 years old are another problem as there is no verifiable evidence for either one

They are silly if only viewed through the lense of today. Do we even really know the genetic make up of Adam and Eve? They lived a very long time and had perfect bodies with perfect genetics. It's not impossible for this to occur, unless you limit God. Good told them to multiply. So he obviously had a way for them to procreate and do just that at the time. That fact we can't do that these days means nothing for then.

 

[GodLovesCats]

They are silly if only viewed through the lenses of today. Do we even really know the genetic make up of Adam and Eve? They lived a very long time and had perfect bodies with perfect genetics. It's not impossible for this to occur, unless you limit God. God told them to multiply. So he obviously had a way for them to procreate and do just that at the time. That fact we can't do that these days means nothing for then.

Because Eve was created straight out of Adam's rib, I think a safe assumption is she had the same genes aside from being male and female. I would also guess they had dominant genetics: tall, black hair, brown eyes, etc. while carrying recessive traits such as blue eyes and blonde hair for multiplication.

But since God can do anything and neither of them were conceived by two parents, they could have been totally different. Thiat would make it easier for their children and grandchildren to spread recessive traits. Still, if two people are totally different, how can they both be in God's image?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

you do realize that humans are synapsids so the fact that we have a vestigial 3rd eyelid shouldn’t be surprising

Sure it is, I was just asking out of curiosity since you had this big picture diagram with animals and stuff, but no cats. That's all.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

go look in the mirror it’s that little red bump in the corner of your eye by your nose.

that google article is a little inaccurate. Synapsids are reptilomorphs not reptiles. The classic reptiles, dinosaurs, pterasaurs, and birds are diapsids which is the other reptilomorph lineage. Some birds and classic reptiles also have a 3rd eyelid. So the 3rd eyelid is a very old trait. Synapsids split from the diapsids back in the Permian

Okay, thanks. So the cat thing was like the conductor eating a hamburger in the how fast is the train going question then.

 

[dcalling]

Because Eve was created straight out of Adam's rib, I think a safe assumption is she had the same genes aside from being male and female. I would also guess they had dominant genetics: tall, black hair, brown eyes, etc. while carrying recessive traits such as blue eyes and blonde hair for multiplication.

But since God can do anything and neither of them were conceived by two parents, they could have been totally different. Thiat would make it easier for their children and grandchildren to spread recessive traits. Still, if two people are totally different, how can they both be in God's image?

When God first created Adam and Eve, their genes are perfect and no recessive traits. Recessive traits are our own corruptions, and that is why God didn't not give the commandments not to marry close relatives till later in the Bible.