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I’m not sure why you posted that. As you can see, there are a number of birth control methods that are almost 100% effective. The data you are ignoring is the data that shows that accesss to free birth control and education can cut unplanned pregnancies in half or more.It is not my analysis. Here, you can see it from Planned Parenthood if you like:
Birth Control Methods & Options | Types of Birth Control
Maybe the goal isnt less abortions, but more teen pregnancies carried to term.I’m not sure why you posted that. As you can see, there are a number of birth control methods that are almost 100% effective. The data you are ignoring is the data that shows that accesss to free birth control and education can cut unplanned pregnancies in half or more.
“A new study by investigators at Washington University reports that providing birth control to women at no cost substantially reduces unplanned pregnancies and cuts abortion rates by a range of 62 to 78 percent compared to the national rate.”
Access to free birth control reduces abortion rates | Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis
Contraception in The Netherlands: the low abortion rate explained. - PubMed - NCBI
I’ll rest my case there.
Who told you this?Hi Zephcom, a "religious dogma" telling us that it's wrong to intentionally kill an innocent human being cannot be, "engraved in American law", at this point in time, because it has been part of American law since this country was founded.
I thank ye for the grammar lesson attempt but I did phrase it as “Are they each all ‘a human being’?”Since they are more than one, they are human beings not "a human being".
Didnt we ban partial birth abortions? If so then we have restriction in place already that control women's sexuality. So we can control women's sexuality.
I see it as improving society. If that means “controlling women’s sexuality”, eh, whatever. I can roll with that.
That the world, in general, is not going to ascribe to the law of God in these things or any other such things. But the believer understands that it is not his job to 'save the world'. It is his job to keep himself from sin. To teach the love that God has for each one of us through His Son, Jesus. But to keep the world from sin isn't a part of our job description.
Let’s try staying on track here, this thread is about abortion, not rape.Yes. It is amazing how many men are certain they should control other peoples sex lives instead of their own. If only they had as much concern for the 1 in 5 women who will be raped in their lifetime.
Didnt we ban partial birth abortions? If so then we have restriction in place already that control women's sexuality. So we can control women's sexuality.
Making sure in vitro doesn't risk their lives, would be a good start.I thank ye for the grammar lesson attempt but I did phrase it as “Are they each all ‘a human being’?”
So...what is your opinion as to what should be done with these embryonic “human beings”?
Nice try bro, but I say it is an unfortunate part of the procedure. The goal of it is trying to save both but unfortunately the unborn dies. It is different from an abortion where the goal is to kill the unborn.Do numbers make a difference when invoking a moral argument? If you accept that terminating a pregnancy, in some uncommon circumstances, may be necessary to preserve the mother's life, then you're admitting that when push comes to shove, the already born are a little higher on the moral spectrum than the unborn.
Those numbers look great. When combined with the rhythm method, or using double protection, the risk of pregnancy is very low. Look at the difference proper use makes!
Citation needed
If that is right, is there any reason to think that will be end of their desire get their religious dogma engraved in American law? Are we headed for a Christian version of the Taliban?
You can count me as a pro-life person who is on board. I am staunchly pro-life, which for me includes the issues of abortion, capital punishment and euthanasia.
However it also also overlaps into issues of poverty, health care, war, guns, immigration, and protection of minorities. I try to look at every issue through the lens of life being sacred, all of it.
As this applies to abortion, I don't think government should be funding it (and it doesn't). otoh, I DO see this as a huge healthcare issue; pre/post natal care as well as the woman's healthcare pre/post pregnancy. Then there's the issues of poverty and increasing inequality in the economics of our country. Let's face it, abortion legal or not, will always be an option for those with enough means. For that matter, 'affordable healthcare' is commensurate with wealth/income in the USA.
70% of abortions are by those who claim to be Christians (Lifeway Research, SBC) and a majority are kept silent/secret (Christian Post article on the same research). The blatant hypocrisy on this issue is appalling to me. Even when Focus on the Family tries to spin it positively, the conclusion remains “if nobody is willing to say, ‘We’re going to help you through this,’ it’s hard for them to rationally say they should keep the child.”
Which gets back to your point; society and even more the church needs to address the underlying issues.
If Christians wanted to reduce abortions by more than half, they'd stop getting them and start being pro-life and not merely (hypocritically) anti-abortion.
It would seem that you might need to read up on in vitro fertilization.Making sure in vitro doesn't risk their lives, would be a good start.
Thank you for your honesty. It is good to see what we have long suspected but most pro-life people deny. This is about controlling women's sexuality.
I did not say that. What I said was limiting abortion via legislation is about controlling women's sexuality. Obviously this is not true in all cases but it is true enough.
They should be addressed. Poverty, lack of parental bond, etc. are all highly correlated with abortion, as well as with poor outcomes in level of education, wealth, etc.I used to be pro life until I actually tried to get people to address the issues underlying why women choose abortion.
I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of pro life people who have been on board with the idea. The rest shunned me and accused me of being a wolf in sheep's clothing.
You can count me as a pro-life person who is on board. I am staunchly pro-life, which for me includes the issues of abortion, capital punishment and euthanasia.
However it also also overlaps into issues of poverty, health care, war, guns, immigration, and protection of minorities. I try to look at every issue through the lens of life being sacred, all of it.
As this applies to abortion, I don't think government should be funding it (and it doesn't). otoh, I DO see this as a huge healthcare issue; pre/post natal care as well as the woman's healthcare pre/post pregnancy. T.