The Book of Enoch?

[yeshuasavedme]

I'm guessing you're not Orthodox because in the Orthodox church we do not read Revelation at all Liturgically. It's in our Bibles, but we never read it Liturgically.

No, not Orthodox as to naming me...Happy for you, though : )

 

[MariaJLM]

No, not Orthodox as to naming me...Happy for you, though : )

Orthodox as in Eastern Orthodox.

 

[Jipsah]

Pick One:
Apostolic Oriental Orthodox / Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Biblical Canon Scripture Book Of Enoch From Ancient Times.

That Book of Enoch you so revere is a tissue of lies.

You know the USDA had a certain amount of rat feces that they allow in processeed meat before they consider it unfit for human consumption. For my part, I don't want any rat poop in my hot dog at all. Now there's a considerable quantity of the equivalent of rat feces in "Enoch", which is to say a lot of stuff that is simply untrue. Untrue, as in false, contrary to fact, not corresponding to reality, bogus, phony, mendacious, fabricated, concocted, trumped up, specious, and that just ain't so. For some reason that doesn't bother you, and so you take roughly the same position on lies in what you consider holy writ that the USDA takes on rat dung in hot dogs. You just don't reckon it's enough to be concerned about.

Heretical, Heterodox

Neither. But for the sake of drill, be good enough to point out any (or all, if you have the leisure) heresies or heterodox beliefs held by the Anglican communion. Who knows, you may persuade me that I need to disassociate myself with them. I'll accept the 39 Articles and the BCP (1662) as authoritative as touching Anglican beliefs. Youtube prophets and "somebody said" will be given the horselaugh they deserve.

Schismatic

Unless you've become a Roman Catholic since you posted that then your charge kind of rings hollow. <Laugh>

Made Up Church

Pot, kettle, black.

with women and unrepentant homosexual bishops that is "Hilariously False" created by a Murderer King Henry VIII who had two of his wives beheaded.

While your sect was founded by lesser sinners, is that it? Or at leeast sinners whose known sins were less egregious, right? BTW, how much do you reckon King Harry contributed to the dogma of the Anglican Church?

As to "hilariously false" how about an example, por favor. I pointed out specific hilarious falsehoods in "Enoch" (you have to admit that the sun turning north every night is a right knee-slapper), but you haven't given any examples of any falsehood, hilarious or otherwise, held by Anglicans. Do you actually know of any, or was this just your equivalent of "neener neener neener, your church sucks"?

And even if the Anglican Communion is a sink of depravity, "Enoch" is still a steaming pile. You wanna believe a work of pure fiction, be my guest, but spare me the pontifical posturing.

Choose wisely.

I live in a No Rat Poop zone. Go thou and do likewise.

 

[Jipsah]

Rev 1:3
Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

The time is when, then? Doesn't "at hand" generally mean "real soon"? Hmmmm...

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Rev 22:10
And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
The Revelation of Jesus Christ is here....the Gospel age is now. The revealing of Jesus Christ to the world is now, to those who receive, and the world who has not received will quickly/very soon, see the revelation of Jesus Christ, and the events John saw will unfold so quickly and immediately that no one will be able to hide from those things...

they will happen fast
soon
quickly
without remedy -no time to escape it
coming upon the whole world

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

I'm way late to this party!

I just started getting interested in the Book Of Enoch after listening to Michael Heiser (A Semitic expert of the Bible). I always have had some interest I've noticed a number of exorcists I've read over the years seems to subscribe to its theory of how the demons came into existence rather than the plane vanilla Christian theory of them just being Fallen Angels etc.


Anyway some of you may like some Heiser's Work

I actually got most of my Early Church Writer / Church Father Quotes from This Coptic Orthodox Forum Tasbeha .org :

The Book of Enoch - Page 3



I posted them here:

The Book of Enoch?

 

[SummaScriptura]

Here's another amalgamation: Early Christian writers accepted the Book of Enoch. Only later, when Greek philosophical assumptions dominated did the Church cast it out!

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Here's another amalgamation: Early Christian writers accepted the Book of Enoch. Only later, when Greek philosophical assumptions dominated did the Church cast it out!

Some of the areas where pictures would be have a question mark. Are some under construction still ?

 

[SummaScriptura]

Some of the areas where pictures would be have a question mark. Are some under construction still ?

Your browser is failing to download some images. It is not under construction. What country do you reside in?

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Your browser is failing to download some images. It is not under construction. What country do you reside in?

America. I'm on a Mac. I wonder if that is why.

Most of them show though.

52 of them show and 12 don't.

 

[Kaon]

Here's another amalgamation: Early Christian writers accepted the Book of Enoch. Only later, when Greek philosophical assumptions dominated did the Church cast it out!

It is a shame how institution has [purposefully, or ignorantly] denied so many of the spiritual truth. This is why one must have an intimate relationship with the Father - not a zealotry of canonical text and dogma. He will teach us everything. You also have to have the courage to trust Him, despite what other people say.

 

[Jipsah]

It is a shame how institution has [purposefully, or ignorantly] denied so many of the spiritual truth. This is why one must have an intimate relationship with the Father - not a zealotry of canonical text and dogma. He will teach us everything. You also have to have the courage to trust Him, despite what other people say.

The real shame is that people still manage to get caught up in the arrant claptap written in "Enoch". How many lies per page can anyone stand?

 

[Kaon]

The real shame is that people still manage to get caught up in the arrant claptap written in "Enoch". How many lies per page can anyone stand?

Enoch isn't the only text which was taken out of canon institutionally.

Why let other humans tell you what, and how to think? No one - institution, human, principality or archons - is going to keep me from knowing everything I can about my Father. I know (with faith) He will correct me, refine what I understand, and lead me to clarity and truth.

When institutions decide which holy books are inspired, or good for canonicity (canonicity itself is ridiculous), they eliminate the need for faith. You should have enough faith in your Father to trust He will lead you in the right direction no matter what you are exposed to. Additionally, we should also not be ignorant or naive about the incredible hand institution has in destroying souls.

Claptrap, for example, is saying the Most High God reneged on His holy Law, or that we should ignore 1/2 of the canon because some of us don't share genetics of the Hebrews - even though the Most High God is no respecter of persons, and genetics no longer guarantee salvation. There is a lot to claptrap said in this world, but it is what people hear the most that is the trash.

You cannot live on canonicity alone; the Word of God Himself is a Living entity, not just words and ink.

 

[Yekcidmij]

Enoch isn't the only text which was taken out of canon institutionally.

What do you mean by "institutionally taken out" of the canon?

Why let other humans tell you what, and how to think?

Yet here you are trying to make an argument, be persuasive, convince him, or something... Doesn't your mere act of posting a reply violate your principle?

 

[Kaon]

What do you mean by "institutionally taken out" of the canon?

Exactly what I said.

Yet here you are trying to make an argument, be persuasive, convince him, or something... Doesn't your mere act of posting a reply violate your principle?

No; it makes my point. You should have enough faith in your Father to be exposed to anything, and be directed in the direction of Truth and Life (the Redeemer). That means no institution should be putting in/taking out, and making decrees about the spiritual base of knowledge each sovereign human being should receive.

That also means you should be able to entertain anything without necessarily accepting it. It is spiritually criminal to claim that a collection of books chosen by men (associated with a charmingly egregious history) are the inspired books of the Most High God when the Word of God is a Living entity - not a canonical text - that was come in the flesh as Son of Man.

Let me repeat: the Word of God Himself is a Living entity - not a text, dogma or institution. People should follow the Word of God Himself. Everything said to us should be measured by the strength of the Word of the Most High God - who promised to put His Laws and Statutes on our hearts so that we won't have teach our neighbors about the Most High God - it will be ingrained in us (He will be literally in us as the Word of God Himself). That is the New Contract/Covenant the Most High God has made with us. We remember Him (follow Him and obey Him), and He will forgive our iniquity and remember our sin no more.

The book of Enoch is one book in a library of texts that shed epic light on the alleged contradictions, impossibilities and errors in the canonical text. It may take work to divide the truth, and converse with your Father about what is Truth before you actually filter what you need. However, that is part of our lot as those who choose to come to the Most High God - not the institution. We are responsible for the trajectory of our soul, and how ignorant we remain. We are supposed to come to a genuine relationship of understanding and love: it is a unique process between the individual and the Father.

 

[Jipsah]

Enoch isn't the only text which was taken out of canon institutionally.

It was never in the canon.

(canonicity itself is ridiculous)

Hence you can believe that Batman comics are a source of eternal truth if it suits you.

Claptrap, for example, is saying the Most High God reneged on His holy Law, or that we should ignore 1/2 of the canon because some of us don't share genetics of the Hebrews

Claptrap is also when one hypes as holy writ that would have you believe that the sun moves north to return to the east to as to rise at the east of somewhere. And claims that a "holy angel" provided that information. If that isn't claptrap then there ain't a cow in Texas, and "Enoch" is replete with that sort of goobledygook.

You might be better off searching for eternal truths in that comic book I spoke of. You wouldn't be very much worse off.

 

[Kaon]

It was never in the canon.

It is still in the Ethiopian canon. It isn't Jewish canon because the Hebrews abandoned their stations, and let outsiders infiltrate their ranks. But, we are ignoring that to fit your point, yes (despite the Word of God Himself saying this)?

You act like I am pulling something out of my behind when I mention Enoch - it goes way beyond the Redeemer and Jude mentioning him once.

Hence you can believe that Batman comics are a source of eternal truth if it suits you.

Claptrap is also when one hypes as holy writ that would have you believe that the sun moves north to return to the east to as to rise at the east of somewhere. And claims that a "holy angel" provided that information. If that isn't claptrap then there ain't a cow in Texas, and "Enoch" is replete with that sort of goobledygook.

That is what I thought. You have a vendetta against hearing the name of the book itself. I say that because you have inserted a bunch of things I have never actually alluded to, or said - yet it is part of your rationale.

You still didn't address anything I said. I also know why; all you have is institutional prejudice and a chip on your shoulder.

You might be better off searching for eternal truths in that comic book I spoke of. You wouldn't be very much worse off.

The Most High God is the Truth - as is His Son The Word of God Himself (who He gave all things to). They are the only Entities that rule me, and I trust my Father to guide me in the right direction, not to deceive me, and to enlighten me if I come to Him according to His will. But, I get the tone of your remark; I just wanted you to know the truth.


I responded to you against my better judgment - because I am trying to be open to people I know won't receive it... mainly for onlookers.

I am better off conversing with someone else. Cheers.

 

[Jipsah]

It is still in the Ethiopian canon. It isn't Jewish canon because the Hebrews abandoned their stations, and let outsiders infiltrate their ranks. But, we are ignoring that to fit your point, yes (despite the Word of God Himself saying this)?

Sorry, I can't figure out what you said there
.

You act like I am pulling something out of my behind when I mention Enoch - it goes way beyond the Redeemer and Jude mentioning him once.

Enoch is observably false. 'Nuff said.

That is what I thought. You have a vendetta against hearing the name of the book itself.

Even the name is false. The patriarch Enoch likely had nothing to do with it. Certainly the angels which it credits as sources didn't, they'd have had no need to lie.

You still didn't address anything I said. I also know why; all you have is institutional prejudice and a chip on your shoulder.

I have a very simple "prejudice" against "Enoch" because it is observably and egregiously false. Not just inadvertently getting some stuff wrong, but totally making stuff up out of while cloth. It's a work of fiction, and no more worth being considered holy writ than a science fiction novel.

The Most High God is the Truth

Yep. And "Enoch" is a fraud, a work of fiction being passed off as genuine,

I just wanted you to know the truth.

There's no truth to be had in "Enoch".

I am better off conversing with someone else. Cheers.

Probably so, especially if you're trying to present the steaming pile that is "Enoch" as a source of truth. It isn't, by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Origen (184-253 A.D.) mentions The Angel Raphael in his work "De Principils - Chapter 8 - On The Angels - PP 265-266"

...or are we to suppose that it is the result of accident that a particular office is assigned to a particular angel: as to Raphael, e.g., the work of curing and healing; to Gabriel, the conduct of wars; to Michael, the duty of attending to the prayers and supplications of mortals. For we are not to imagine that they obtained these offices otherwise than by their own merits, and by the zeal and excellent qualities which they severally displayed before this world was formed; so that afterwards in the order of archangels, this or that office was assigned to each one, while others deserved to be enrolled in the order of angels, and to act under this or that archangel, or that leader or head of an order.

ANF04. Fathers of the Third Century: Tertullian, Part Fourth; Minucius Felix; Commodian; Origen, Parts First and Second - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

And these are The Names of The Holy Angels who watch. Uriel , one of the holy angels, who is over the world and over Tartarus. Raphael , one of the holy angels, who is over the spirits of men. Raguel , one of the holy angels who takes vengeance on† the world of the luminaries. Michael , one of the holy angels, to wit, he that is set over the best part of mankind and over chaos. . Saraqâêl , one of the holy angels, who is set over the spirits, who sin in the spirit. Gabriel , one of the holy angels, who is over Paradise and the serpents and the Cherubim. Remiel , one of the holy angels, whom God set over those who rise.
• 1 Enoch 20

 

[DennisTate]

Why isn't the book of Enoch in the canon? It's referenced in the bible numerous times.

Example #1
Jude 1:14-15 - "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
"To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches, which ungodly sinners have spoken against him."

The book of Hanock (Enoch) 1:9 -
''And see! He comes with ten thousands of His qodeshim (dedicated ones, or "angels") to execute judgment upon all, and to destroy all the wicked, and to convict all flesh of
all the works of their wickedness which they have committed wickedly, and of all the harsh matters which wicked sinners have spoken against Him.

Example #2
Matthew 5:5 -
Blessed are the meek; for they shall inherit the earth.

Referencing Hanock (Enoch) 5:7 -
But for the elect there shall be light and joy and peace, and they shall inherit the earth.
8 ''And then there shall be given wisdom to the elect, and they shall all live and never again sin, either through wickedness or through pride, but they who are wise shall be humble.
9 ''And they shall not transgress again, nor shall they sin all the days of their hai (life), nor shall they die of anger or wrath, but they shall complete the number of the days of their hai (life). And their lives shall be increased in peace, and the years of their joy shall be multiplied, in eternal gladness and p6eace, all the days of their life.''

I shared the extra two verses, because this is a book that is proven to have been around some 2000 years before Yeshua (Jesus), and yet, he prophetically speaks on things only the prophets, and our Savior Himself knew of.

Example #3
John 12:35-36 -
35 Then Jesus told them, “You are going to have the light just a little while longer. Walk while you have the light, before darkness overtakes you. Whoever walks in the dark does not know where they are going. 36 Believe in the light while you have the light, so that you may become children of light.” When he had finished speaking, Jesus left and hid himself from them.

Hanok (Enoch) 108:11 -

''And now I will summon the spirits of the good who belong to the generation of light, and I will transform those who were born in darkness, who in the flesh were not recompensed with such honour as their trustworthiness deserved.

Here is the kicker...

Example #4 (Final Example)
John 5:22 -
22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son,

You ready for this?

Hanok (Enoch) 69:27-29 - For a tip, you can skip all of the text below, just be sure to read the red before you read the verse.

Some context, "Bĕn" means "Son", and Adam, quite literally is the Hebrew word and name, for Man. So, Bĕn of Adam, quite literally means "Son of Man". These passages from the book of enoch are taken from the Halleluyah Scriptures versions, which place special emphasis on giving literal word for word translations, and in places where pagan words have crept in, they choose to replace them with the originally intended hebrew/aramaic/greek words. In some cases, they even choose to introduce the original words because the words themselves have no equivalent in english that does the word complete justice. The context and content of the verses are exactly the same however, it's just a bit closer to the original. No verses are altered or doctored, or removed, only kept as closely to the original writings as possible. Also "יהוה" is the tetragrammaton, and is the name our Father told us to refer to him with for all of time. I'm not saying that these are terms you HAVE to use, I'm just giving context so everyone can understand the text below. Also, "Baruch" means "bless, or blessed" Much love, and enjoy!

24 And all these believe and give thanks before יהוה of hosts, and esteem (Him) with all their power, and their food is in every act of thanksgiving: they thank and esteem and exalt the Name of יהוה of hosts forever and ever.]

25 And this oath is mighty over them and through it [they are preserved and] their paths are preserved, and their course is not destroyed.

26 And there was great joy amongst them, and they baruch and esteemed and exalted because the Name of the Bĕn of Adam had been revealed unto them.

And He sat on the throne of his esteem, and the sum of judgment was given unto the Bĕn of Adam, and He caused the sinners to pass away and be destroyed from off the face of the earth, and those who have led the world astray.

28 With chains shall they be bound, and in their assemblage-place of destruction shall they be imprisoned, and all their works vanish from the face of the earth.

29 And from hereon there shall be none corruptible; for the Bĕn of Adam has appeared, and has seated Himself on the throne of His esteem, and all evil shall pass away before His face, and the Word of the Bĕn of Adam shall go forth and be strong before יהוה of hosts. This is the Third Parable of Hanok.
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They also replace the names in scripture with their literal Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek names, depending on who it is. Which is why Enoch is Hanok. Nonetheless. The book is definitely inspired. The book was proven to have been dated looooooong before the Son of Man, and is referenced throughout the NT and the OT. The Book of Jasher is also referenced often, but I'm not familiar with it. Nor am I familiar with the book of Hanok, I'm just posting this to get the views and opinions of others. What I have read of it, it seems to stay perfectly in line with scripture. That, and all of the ancient civilizations that had these beings come down and teach them technology that made them capable to create structures that baffle us today... The book of Hanok tells us about all of that. They weren't aliens, they were Nephilim. It even explains why some of those civilizations just... up and disappeared. It explains a lot, and answers those questions as to why the flood took place, and what exactly those giants were in Genesis 6.

There's a lot more, but I'd have to read more to be able to talk about it. It's a cool book, and it's referenced way too often to be ignored. Jude was alive thousands of years after Enoch, so it's not possible that that reference was talking about anything other than Enoch's book.

For one thing there is a prophecy in the Book of Enoch that it would be lost for a long time...... and then found again in the Latter Days......