How to choose between creation and evolution.

[Kenny'sID]

Nothing to imagine - creationists always find a way to ignore or dismiss or co-opt evidence for evolution or to pretend that they actually know what is going on.

That changes my comment, how? I still feel as i do.

Do you think you can prove evolution, or show "us what is going on"? Or do you too think it cannot be proven because science proves nothing?

Yep, all the reason I can't take you all seriously are coming back to me now.

 

[Speedwell]

I'll believe it if you prove it, why wouldn't I?

You could always deny it on biblical grounds. In any case, I think you already understand that evolution happens in the present (as has been observed) and has happened back to a certain time in the past. It's just a question of whether evolution can be traced back to the biblical "kinds," or even farther back to a single common ancestor.

 

[tas8831]

That changes my comment, how? I still feel as i do.

Of course you do.

Do you think you can prove evolution, or show "us what is going on"? Or do you too think it cannot be proven because science proves nothing?

I think an intelligent, honest person can look at the actual evidence and conclude that evolution occurred and understand why.

Yep, all the reason I can't take you all seriously are coming back to me now.

I'm sure that were I willfully ignorant of a subject, and have been brainwashed into rejecting the same, that I, too, would feel as you do.

 

[bhsmte]

I'll believe it if you prove it, why wouldn't I?

Simple human psychology. If a personal psychological need and fullfilling the same is crucial to one's psyche, it becomes far too painful for some to accept anything that gets in the way.

In fact, the pain and fear is enough, to where some will manufacture their own reality and reject out of hand, any evidence that contradicts their own manufactured reality. We see it with creationists all the time, as they constantly demonstrate cognitive dissonance, when evidence is presented to them, that contradicts their closely held beliefs.

 

[tas8831]

That was my point, for the reasons mentioned, no, I don't care. Some things are more important than others.

And you're welcome...bro

Sure, why would you care about believing in things that have no basis in reality. Got it.

 

[tas8831]

Have you proven evolution, and where it started?

Great question, champ.
Have you proven creation, and where it started?

Then we have to look at the available evidence.

We've got lots.
You've got zip.

End of argument.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Sure, why would you care about believing in things that have no basis in reality. Got it.

Reality like 'evolution"?...you're right, I don't care

Great question, champ.
Have you proven creation, and where it started?

Then we have to look at the available evidence.

We've got lots.
You've got zip.

End of argument.

Lot's? At least I have a reasonable explanation where is started that beat's the heck out of "It just did". Then the fact I've seen plenty of things created, and never once saw anything come from nothing then evolve to things so complicated we can only hope to understand them completely, and all "just because they did".

Sorry Charlie, you did yourself much more harm than good there.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Lot's? At least I have a reasonable explanation where is started that beat's the heck out of "It just did". Then the fact I've seen plenty of things created, and never once saw anything come from nothing then evolve to things so complicated we can only hope to understand them completely, and all "just because they did".

Oops! drifted off topic there - evolution is not abiogenesis. Try to keep up.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Simple human psychology. If a personal psychological need and fullfilling the same is crucial to one's psyche, it becomes far too painful for some to accept anything that gets in the way.

In fact, the pain and fear is enough, to where some will manufacture their own reality and reject out of hand, any evidence that contradicts their own manufactured reality. We see it with creationists all the time, as they constantly demonstrate cognitive dissonance, when evidence is presented to them, that contradicts their closely held beliefs.

Meh, reality is a conspiracy to conceal the truth...

 

[Kenny'sID]

Oops! drifted off topic there - evolution is not abiogenesis. Try to keep up.

You mean of the topic of the OP? Are you serious?

Imagine that.

 

[pitabread]

Meh, reality is a conspiracy to conceal the truth...

Reality also has a liberal bias.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

You mean of the topic of the OP? Are you serious?

Sure.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Sure.

I'm surprised you haven't noticed that happens like, a lot around here...oh well.

 

[pitabread]

At least I have a reasonable explanation where is started that beat's the heck out of "It just did".

Not really. Replacing "it just did" with "Goddidit" doesn't get any closer to an explanation for anything. Except you're then also faced with the problem of trying to explain the existence of an arbitrary supernatural entity.

Now if creationists could begin by explaining the existence of God and how "Goddidit", then that would start getting them somewhere. As it is, there are no answers to those questions.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Not really.

Yes, really.

Did you really think I expected some of you to agree with me?

 

[pitabread]

Yes, really.

Wow, what a compelling retort.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I'm surprised you haven't noticed that happens like, a lot around here...oh well.

Not sure what you're talking about.

 

[tas8831]

Reality like 'evolution"?...you're right, I don't care

Of course you don't. Religious fanatics don't care about reality. If they did, they would not live in a fantasy world centered in ancient middle eastern mythology.

Lot's? At least I have a reasonable explanation where is started that beat's the heck out of "It just did".

But that IS your "explanation" - Yahweh "just did" it for no apparent reason using no known means or mechanisms.

Then the fact I've seen plenty of things created,

Really? You've see the Hebrew tribal deity create things from nothing (or maybe dust)?

Do tell!

and never once saw anything come from nothing then evolve to things so complicated we can only hope to understand them completely, and all "just because they did".

Cool story!

Sorry Charlie, you did yourself much more harm than good there.

Yeah, I guess so.

I got you to admit that you've got nothing, AND to either lie about seeing Yahweh create things OR tried to use a dopey analogy to human activity to justify your child's belief in the Easter Bunny. I mean Jehovah.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you study evolution, with an open mind, you will likely believe in evolution.

If you study human, animal, and plant anatomy, with an open mind, you will likely believe in creation.

Studying tares leads to sowing tares.

Studying wheat leads to sowing wheat.

 

[AV1611VET]

Life comes from life. Nobody disputes that. With evolution there is no viable explanation of "first life" regardless of it's form. Something does not come from nothing.

The Life created life.

John 14:6a Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:

Abiogenesis without Jesus Christ is like a car without fuel.