The evidence for Evolution.

[AV1611VET]

That "interpretation", which gives YE creationists results contrary to His word, is the problem.

That's not what he said.

But in any case, let's see your interpretation.

I say the Bible portrays God as speaking the earth into existence ex nihilo.

What say you?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Of course believers have nothing to worry about from the limitations and small abilities and scope of so called science.

When you can invoke a God to 'explain' anything and everything, 'God-did-it' becomes an empty mantra.

To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail...

 

[AV1611VET]

When you can invoke a God to 'explain' anything and everything, 'God-did-it' becomes an empty mantra.

Where'd you get this truck?

Ford built it.

How did it get its wheels?

Ford put them on.

How did it get its hood?

Ford put it on.

How did it get its radio?

Ford put it in.

When you can invoke Ford to explain anything and everything, 'Ford did it' becomes an empty mantra.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Where'd you get this truck?

Ford built it.

How did it get its wheels?

Ford put them on.

How did it get its hood?

Ford put it on.

How did it get its radio?

Ford put it in.

When you can invoke Ford to explain anything and everything, 'Ford did it' becomes an empty mantra.

Where'd you get your TV?

Ford built it

So why does it say 'Samsung' on the back?

Er, Ford owns Samsung?

Lol!

 

[AV1611VET]

Where'd you get your TV?

Ford built it

So why does it say 'Samsung' on the back?

Er, Ford owns Samsung?

Lol!

Then give me your version of "Samsung" in your statement about invoking [a] God to explain 'anything and everything'?

If Ford-did-it can't explain Samsung, why are you inferring people claim God-did-it to explain 'anything and everything'?

As Split Rock (?) used to say here:

God did it, Fall did it, Flood did it doesn't explain it.

So even he admits two other explanations.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Would you just rather we give you the raw data (i.e., the pertinent verses) and let you figure it out?

Or do you want us to interpret those verses for you to the best of our ability?

I mean, if you're going to complain about it, let's see your interpretation.

Or, as I suspect, will your interpretation be the same as the interpretation that others have?

Why do you ask such poorly thought out questions? They only demonstrate that you are in error. Countless people have been analyzing the data for centuries. Each working based upon the knowledge of their predecessors. Learning and correcting as time goes on. The Bible has no self correction method. The countless errors in it are there to stay. The question is how does one deal with the errors in the Bible?

 

[AV1611VET]

I am constantly amazed at how creationists try to tell their version of God how he had to make the world.

I mean, if you're going to complain about it, let's see your interpretation.

Why do you ask such poorly thought out questions? They only demonstrate that you are in error.

Well according to your first post, we're all in error, aren't we?

So let's see your interpretation please.

Didn't you say you were a Christian at one time?

What was your interpretation back then?

And ... more importantly ... what is it now?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well according to your first post, we're all in error, aren't we?

So let's see your interpretation please.

Didn't you say you were a Christian at one time?

What was your interpretation back then?

And ... more importantly ... what is it now?

It is a matter of degree of error. It is wrong to say that this:

Is an Atlantic Salmon. It is Fruit Loops wrong to say that it is a Peanut Butter Sandwich.

Even when I was a Christian I believed that God would not purposefully mislead people so the Genesis account could not be taken literally.

 

[MariaJLM]

I don't understand why it is so hard for people to accept that God could very well have used evolution to create life. This is God we're talking about, he can do what he wants and let's be honest. YEC does not match up with solid scientific facts.

 

[The Barbarian]

I say the Bible portrays God as speaking the earth into existence ex nihilo.

It merely says that God created Heaven and Earth. But "ex nihilo" is your addition. It doesn't say whether it was created from nothing, or whether it was, like most everything else, produced from things He had created before.

You would like it to be from nothing, but of course, that's merely your revision of His word.

 

[AV1611VET]

Even when I was a Christian I believed that God would not purposefully mislead people so the Genesis account could not be taken literally.

Fine.

Don't tell me what it wasn't; tell me what it was.

When you were a Christian, what was your interpretation?

(Are you afraid I'm going to use your own post against you? if so, you are correct.)

 

[AV1611VET]

YEC does not match up with solid scientific facts.

Embedded Age does though.

To a point.

 

[AV1611VET]

It merely says that God created Heaven and Earth. But "ex nihilo" is your addition. It doesn't say whether it was created from nothing, or whether it was, like most everything else, produced from things He had created before.

So which is it, Barbarian, according to you?

Either way, creatio ex nihilo or creatio ex materia, you're going to amaze one of our other posters here.

Is this why you ... and he ... are suddenly becoming evasive?

 

[The Barbarian]

When you were a Christian, what was your interpretation?

You do know that it's a violation to suggest that another Christian is not a Christian. I won't report you; obviously, your remark does you more damage then it could do to me, but others probably will

If you can't be honest, at least learn caution.

 

[AV1611VET]

You do know that it's a violation to suggest that another Christian is not a Christian. I won't report you; obviously, your remark does you more damage then it could do to me, but others probably will

If you can't be honest, at least learn caution.

Subduction Zone said he was a Christian at one time, and now he isn't.

(Or maybe I'm thinking of someone else. I'll see if I can find it.)

 

[The Barbarian]

So which is it, Barbarian, according to you?

If you understood Christian theology, it wouldn't be hard for you.

Either way, creatio ex nihilo or creatio ex materia, you're going to amaze one of our other posters here.

I suppose so. Here's what most Christians think:

The universe was created ex nihilo. Likely instantaneously, from which all other things came about, according to His will. That was Augustine's understanding,and it has the virtue of being consistent with scripture and what we have observed happening in this universe.

 

[The Barbarian]

Subduction Zone said he was a Christian at one time, and now he isn't.

(Or maybe I'm thinking of someone else. I'll see if I can find it.)

I'm not interested in your excuses. Just do better in the future.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm not interested in your excuses. Just do better in the future.

Just FYI:

I used to be a Christian, so don't give me that nonsense about not knowing how Christians think.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Fine.

Don't tell me what it wasn't; tell me what it was.

When you were a Christian, what was your interpretation?

(Are you afraid I'm going to use your own post against you? if so, you are correct.)

I accepted the scientific explanation. Please note, the sciences themselves do not refute God, they only refute an improper version of God. Even you admit that the Earth is not flat, but a literal interpretation of the Bible leads to that conclusion. I dropped Christianity for other reasons that the most obvious errors in the Bible.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Just FYI:

You missed the point way back then. You made claims about other Christians so bad that if I still was a Christian that I would have likely have reported you.