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Hi Jason,

There are two Kingships that the person is associated with. (1) the Kingship of the Roman Empire (2) the Kingship of Israel for a while.

Yes, in the line of the Kingship of the Roman Empire, king 7 becomes king 8. Right before becoming king 8, the person reveals himself as the man of sin.

Once the little horn person has reached the revealed man of sin stage, he starts persecuting his own people, the Jews for rejecting his claim of having achieved God-hood. Once he is killed and finds himself in hell in Isaiah 14, God calls him out on this...

Isaiah 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

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Since his body is not buried, it appears as though to the world following his death, it will be during the viewing time of his body in the open casket, on worldwide TV, that he will sit up in the casket back alive, appearing to the world to have overcome death.

Which he then enters the beast role.

Isaiah 14:19-20 is in context to the King of Babylon (See Isaiah 14:4). Is there a clear Bible reference of the man of sin or the little horn or the 7th king as being the king of Babylon?
 
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Isaiah 14:19-20 is in context to the King of Babylon (See Isaiah 14:4). Is there a clear Bible reference of the man of sin or the little horn or the 7th king as being the king of Babylon?
No, there is not that I know of. Everything has been sealed by code names. The prince of Tyre and the king of Tyre in Ezekiel 28 are two other code names.

In Revelation, the book was "sealed". Without Revelation, the end times cannot be understood. 7th and 8th king comes only from Revelation.

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Satan's kingdom in Revelation is mystery, Babylon the Great. Babylon is fallen is fallen in Revelation 18 is Satan and his angels being cast down to earth. As the dismantling of his kingdom begins. So from that it is apparent that Satan is the king of mystery, Babylon the great.

His kingdom, it's sudden end, is likened to a great trading city of the earth that suddenly comes to its end. There is no earthly city such as New York, Rome, Jerusalem, Hong King, being referred to. It could also be referring to the crash of the world's economic system in the middle of the seven years.

That the great city is mystical in Revelation 18 is in Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
 
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No, there is not that I know of. Everything has been sealed by code names. The prince of Tyre and the king of Tyre in Ezekiel 28 are two other code names.

In Revelation, the book was "sealed". Without Revelation, the end times cannot be understood. 7th and 8th king comes only from Revelation.

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Satan's kingdom in Revelation is mystery, Babylon the Great. Babylon is fallen is fallen in Revelation 18 is Satan and his angels being cast down to earth. As the dismantling of his kingdom begins. So from that it is apparent that Satan is the king of mystery, Babylon the great.

His kingdom, it's sudden end, is likened to a great trading city of the earth that suddenly comes to its end. There is no earthly city such as New York, Rome, Jerusalem, Hong King, being referred to. It could also be referring to the crash of the world's economic system in the middle of the seven years.

That the great city is mystical in Revelation 18 is in Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

I decided to do some digging on this. Based on an article at Biblehub, it makes a good case that the Antichrist is Jewish. They reference Ezekiel 21:25. It says,

"And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end," (Ezekiel 21:25).​

In Daniel 9, the "he" is in reference to the "prince" from the "prince of the people who destroy the sanctuary." Also, the time-mark is given in this verse when it says: "when iniquity shall have an end." It is the End-Time which is in view.

Another good piece of Scripture that the Antichrist is Jewish is Daniel 11:36-37. It says,

36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all." (Daniel 11:36-37).​

This passage, it is evident, refers to and describes none other than the coming Antichrist. But what we wish to call special attention to is the last sentence quoted -- "The God of his fathers."

Thank you Doug for pointing me in the right direction on this.

May God bless you.

Article source used:
The Antichrist Will be a Jew
 
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I am led to believe that the Olivet Discourse verses on the Son of Man's coming and His gathering of His elect by angels is a Mid Tribulation event and it is not the Post-Trib call that we see in Revelation 19. Why? The details and the order of the events.

#1. Revelation 19 talks about how the bride has made herself ready up in heaven already (Revelation 19:7).
#2. Revelation 19 describes how the armies followed Jesus (Revelation 19:14).
#3. Revelation 19 describes how the angel calls the fowls in the heaven (eagles or believers) to the supper of the Lamb (the battle of Armageddon).
#4. Revelation 19 mentions nothing about a gathering up of the Elect.
#5. The Olivet Discourse verses appear to line up best with the Middle of the Tribulation with the following of the sixth seal in Revelation and not with Christ's 2nd coming.
#6. In the Olivet Discourse: The Elect are gathered up by angels AFTER the Son of Man is coming. Yet, in Revelation, the Elect are in Heaven and they made themselves ready there and FOLLOWED Jesus into the battle down to Earth.
#7. So if there was some kind of gathering up of the Elect by angels in Revelation 19, it would have had to been BEFORE. Yet, in the Olivet Discourse, the gathering of the Elect happens AFTER.

Conclusion:

They are not the same event.

Why it is confusing is that folks automatically assume that because Jesus is coming, that He must be coming to destroy the wicked. But this time, Christ's coming is for the rest of His elect. Like in the Rapture, he descends from Heaven to meet His bride in the air. The only difference here is that the wicked will see Him coming this time. But He is not coming for them just yet, but He is coming for His Elect via by the gathering of His angels.


Side Note:

I decided to make this a commentary (i.e. Commentary #5) in the beginning of this thread in post #20.
 
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Update:

I also added Commentary #4. You can see a list of all my commentaries in the first post of this thread here. I will attempt to add commentaries 6-10 (maybe 11) whenever I have the time to do so.
 
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Update:

I may add the "Crowns and No Crowns" part of Scripture to my chronology (Seeing it is important to some). I will probably add a Commentary (explanation) as to the importance of the temple sacrifice ceasing being the middle of the week as a possible Commentary #11.
 
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Update:

I may also add the importance of the different beast empires and how that relates to Daniel's 70th week (or last week), or I may add the importance of showing how the Jewish sacrifice will cease during the middle of Daniel's 70th week as a part of a possible commentary #12. Today, so many are not following the traditional prophecy of Daniel's 70 weeks. They think that the antichrist could arise here in America, etc. This just does not jive with Scripture.
 
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Good morning Jason, what are your thoughts on the Third Temple?

I think the most important thing for us to realize by the nearing of the upcoming future rebuilding of the temple is that we all need to get ready and we need to watch. This means to love God with everything we got (even more so) and to ask God for protection and guidance in being ready. To be ready to be taken up; Or if we fail the test, to be ready for what is to come so as to shine forth the light of Jesus Christ to a lost and dying world. For me: The third temple is a sign for me to get ready even more. We are closer now than ever before by the fact that they are going to build the temple in the near future. So our efforts for the Lord should be with even more passion seeing we are drawing closer to Him. That is what the Temple represents to me. The Bible is being fulfilled before our eyes and our Lord is ever nearer than before.
 
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The Rapture:
(the Pre-Tribulation Rapture):

(The Translation of the Saints):

Description of the Rapture:

1 Thessalonians 4:16-18

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.​

1 Corinthians 15:51-53

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.​


The Dead in Christ Are Taken From Abraham's Bosom By the Rapture:
(Both the Old Testament Saints and Church Age Saints in Abraham's Bosom Are Called to Rise To Meet the Lord in the Air. For in the Rapture: The Dead in Christ Shall Rise First):

Zechariah 9:11 NIV and 1 Thessalonians 4:16

For... I will free your prisoners from the waterless pit. And with the trump of God... the dead in Christ shall rise first:​


Commentary - Zechariah 9:11 and Thessalonians 4:16

Zechariah 9:11 is a prophetic Old Testament passage about the taking up of the saints from Abraham's bosom.

What is Abraham's Bosom?

Abraham's bosom (which is also known as Paradise) is described in Luke 16:19-31. It is a real place of comfort within the spirit realm; A temporary paradise where the saint's soul and spiritual body resides consciously to be with the Lord when their physical body dies (Genesis 3:19) (Ecclesiastes 12:7) (Luke 16:22). This paradise is located within the realm of the dead below the Earth (Which is also known as Sheol or Hades) which is separated by a great gulf from the fiery place of punishment known as "Torments" or what is commonly known as "Hell" (Luke 16:26) (Luke 16:23). It will be a place where the saint will be comforted (Luke 16:25). But, why is Abraham's bosom also called Paradise? Well, on the day of Christ's sacrifice, he had told the thief on the cross that: "This day, you shall be with me in Paradise" (Luke 23:43). But yet, Scripture tells us that when Christ died, he was in the heart of the Earth for three days and three nights, though (Matthew 12:40). So this leads us to conclude that during Christ's three days within the grave before His resurrection, He was with the thief in Abraham's bosom which is located in the heart (or the center) of the Earth.

Does Abraham's Bosom Still Exist Within the Church Age Today?

The real life story (or event) told by Jesus within Luke 16:19-31 took place during the time of Moses (Luke 16:29). However, the important question that must be asked is: Does Abraham's Bosom still exist today, though?

Well, yes, I believe according to the plain reading of Scripture that Abraham's bosom still exists today within our present church age. For all true saints who die in Christ right now will go to be with the Lord down in Abraham's bosom and then later they will be taken up into Heaven when the Rapture occurs. For how else will the dead in Christ rise first? See 1 Thessalonians 4:16. Do the dead in Christ rise to go to Heaven and then come back down somewhere temporarily to be risen again at the Rapture? Do they rise in Christ twice spiritually? If so, where is the verse that explains this?

In fact, many Christians today who are well versed in studying the Scriptures believe they go straight to Heaven; This is a common misconception because they interpret the ascension of Christ mentioned in Ephesians 4:8 as the time of when the saints in Abraham's bosom are being taken to Heaven.

Ephesians 4:8 - "When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive."

In other words, based on this passage, most Christians believe that Christ led those saints who were in captivity in Abraham's bosom captive up into Heaven when Christ ascended. However, is this what Ephesians 4:8 is talking about, though?

No, actually it is actually talking about how when Christ ascended, He bound the enemy or the powers of darkness. How so? Well, our first clue to this fact is to look at the parallel reference of this passage located in Judges chapter five.

Judges 5:12 - "Awake, awake, Deborah: awake, awake, utter a song: arise, Barak, and lead your captives captive, you son of Abinoam."

Now, without boring you with all the details, to make a long story short, if you were to read Judged chapter 5, you would find out that Barak was leading his enemies captive and not his friends. To put it to you another way, the moment a true Christian is born again and then dedicates their life to Christ, they are then no longer Christ's enemy. For those in Abraham's bosom are God's elect or chosen who had put their trust in God to redeem them of their sins (See Luke 16:19-31).

As a matter of fact, Gill's Exposition of the Bible says this...
"He led captivity captive; which is expressive of Christ's conquests and triumph over sin, Satan, the world, death, and the grave; and indeed, every spiritual enemy of his and his people, especially the devil, who leads men captive at his will, and is therefore called captivity, and his principalities and powers, whom Christ has spoiled and triumphed over;"And 2nd Timothy says this...

2 Timothy 2:26 - "And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. For when Christ had raised from the dead he put all things including the principalities and powers of darkness under his feet."

Therefore, the word "captivity" is a reference to Satan leading people captive to his will and lets us know the true context or meaning behind Ephesians 4:8.

For when Christ had risen from the dead, He put all things including the principalities and powers of darkness under his feet.

Ephesians 1:20-23 "Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all."


Those Who Are Alive in Christ on the Earth Are Then Raptured:
(The Church Age Saints Are Called to Rise To Meet the Lord in the Air. This is Similar to the Translation of Enoch whereby He did Not Die):

1 Thessalonians 4:17

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air.​


Clues Concerning the Rapture:

John 14:3

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.​

Matthew 25:10

And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

We are taught to look for that blessed hope and appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Titus 2:13

"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;"

Promise of the Rapture:

(A Deliverance of the Wrath to Come):

1 Thessalonians 1:10

"And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come."​

1 Thessalonians 5:9

"For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,"

The Rapture is a New Mystery Revealed:

1 Corinthians 15:51

"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"

Admonishes about being ready for the Rapture:

(In order to miss out on the 7 Year Tribulation):

Matthew 25:13

"Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh."

We are told to pray so that we may escape all these things mentioned within the Tribulation:

Luke 21:36


"Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."
What things shall we escape if we pray?

Luke 21:10


"Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom"
Revelation 6:4

"...and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another..."
Luke 21:11

"And great earthquakes..."
Revelation 6:12

"...and, lo, there was a great earthquake;"
Luke 21:11

"...and famines..."
Revelation 6:5-6

"And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine."​
This was good up until:
What things shall we escape if we pray?

All these things listed in the Olivet discourse go with the words Jesus also said, "the end is not yet." These are church age events. No one escapes these things. It is the days of great tribulation that one can escape - which comes with the wrath of God.

Jesus does not get to end times until Mat. 24:verses 13 & 14 - and then He skips over the first half of the week and goes straight to the abomination.

Next, Jesus took all in Abraham's bosom to heaven when He ascended. That place has been empty for a long time now. The dead in Christ are in heaven WITH GOD. It is written that Jesus brings them WITH HIM as He descends to the clouds. Many people now have been to heaven and came back to tell about it. We have report after report, all telling us similar things - things the bible has already told us. Several people have SEEN Abraham and talked with Him. There is proof "Abraham's bosom" is empty. The ONLY reason people had to go there was because the sin problem had to be delt with first. Once Jesus died and rose again, than all the righteous could go to heaven - and they did.

Different people talk of seeing Paul, Jonah, Adam and Eve, Abraham, David all in heaven. And of course many saw their own family that had gone on before. Therefore I am amazed you would think otherwise.
 
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End Times Commentary #5:

Figuring out the Timing of the Gathering:
Comparing Revelation 19 and the Olivet Discourse:


I am led to believe that the Olivet Discourse verses on the Son of Man's coming and His gathering of His elect by angels is a Mid Tribulation event and it is not the Post-Trib call that we see in Revelation 19. Why? The details and the order of the events.

#1. Revelation 19 talks about how the bride has made herself ready up in heaven already (Revelation 19:7).
#2. Revelation 19 describes how the armies followed Jesus (Revelation 19:14).
#3. Revelation 19 describes how the angel calls the fowls in the heaven (eagles or believers) to the supper of the Lamb (the battle of Armageddon).
#4. Revelation 19 mentions nothing about a gathering up of the Elect.
#5. The Olivet Discourse verses appear to line up best with the Middle of the Tribulation with the following of the sixth seal in Revelation and not with Christ's 2nd coming.
#6. In the Olivet Discourse: The Elect are gathered up by angels AFTER the Son of Man is coming. Yet, in Revelation, the Elect are in Heaven and they made themselves ready there and FOLLOWED Jesus into the battle down to Earth.
#7. So if there was some kind of gathering up of the Elect by angels in Revelation 19, it would have had to been BEFORE. Yet, in the Olivet Discourse, the gathering of the Elect happens AFTER.

Conclusion:

They are not the same event.

Why it is confusing is that folks automatically assume that because Jesus is coming, that He must be coming to destroy the wicked. But this time, Christ's coming is for the rest of His elect. Like in the Rapture, he descends from Heaven to meet His bride in the air. The only difference here is that the wicked will see Him coming this time. But He is not coming for them just yet, but He is coming for His Elect via by the gathering of His angels.
This theory is FAR from Christian norm, and I disagree. First, Jesus was not mixed up on timing. The elect are gathered (note: from all of earth and all of heaven) AFTER the "tribulation" "of those days" has finished. How then could ANYONE imagine it is midtrib? Just so you know, it is the 7th trumpet that marks the midpoint of the week.

This gathering in the Olivet Discourse is without any doubt God gathering all the descendants of Jacob back to Israel as He promised them. It has NOTHING to do with Paul's rapture or any other rapture.

Indeed, in Rev. 19 HE IS COMING to destroy the wicked - that is exactly what the battle of Armageddon is about.
 
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End Times Commentary 4:

When Does the Day of the Lord or the Day of Wrath Begin?

We know that the Day of the Lord = the Day of Wrath.

Zephaniah 1:14-15

"The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,"​

The Day of the Lord does not come at the sixth seal because we know that Joel talks about the sun, the blood moon are signs that come BEFORE the Day of the Lord.

Joel 2:31

"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come."
Why is this important? Because the sixth seal is marked by the sun going dark, and the moon turning to blood.

Revelation 6:12

"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;"​

Yet, the Day of the Lord is marked with signs BEFORE of the sun going dark, and the moon turning to blood.

Joel 2:31

The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.​


Conclusion
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This means that those who cry out at the sixth seal that the "Great Day of His Wrath has come" are merely talking about it in a future sense (and how it is now about to arrive). So the Wrath begins at the breaking of the 1st Trumpet, when God pours out the major judgments that effect the world in a huge way.
Not so fast! It is not that simple: there are other absolute proofs that the earthquake is the very same earthquake as in Isaiah 2, which Isaiah tells us is a part of the Day of the Lord. John almost copies Isaiah word for word.

Those people SAW and felt the earthquake, remembered the scriptures of Isaiah and Joel, and saw the sun turn dark and the moon into blood, and therefore KNEW the Day was at hand. The question is, HOW LONG "before" must the sign be? Could it be just long enough for John to write, "the day of His wrath is come?"

Perhaps you need a little more time. How about by the first trumpet judgment? God's plan in THE DAY is to destroy the earth and destroy the sinners on the earth. As we read the trumpet judgments, we can see that is EXACTLY what God is doing.

Therefore, if you resist THE DAY starting with the 6th seal, then push it to the 7th seal, or first trumpet - as you have done - BUT NO LATER. All the trumpets come with the wrath of God. The DAY has started.

An earthquake may last for a few minutes, but it takes TIME for people to run to the mountains and cry for them to fall on them. I think that is enough time for John to correctly write that THE DAY has started.

By the way, who is to say they did not see a blood moon a month or two before this earthquake? We have certain seen an abundance in the last few years!
 
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End Times Commentary 3:

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24 "Seventy weeks [70 weeks] are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks [7 weeks], and threescore and two weeks [62 weeks]: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks [62 weeks] shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself [The Messiah is Jesus who is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the entire world]: and the people of the prince [the people of the prince of the power of the air, i.e. the devil - see: Ephesians 2:2] that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary [i.e. the Romans destroyed the Jewish temple in 70AD]; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he [The "he" is the "prince" of the people mentioned in verse 26] shall confirm the covenant with many for one week [make a treaty with the Jews and others in the final 7 years]: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease [this prince will stop the Jewish sacrifices in the temple], and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."
(Daniel 9:24-27).

After 7 weeks (49 days /49 years) = Temple Rebuilt (verse 25).

+ (Plus)

After 62 weeks = (a) Christ dying for our sins (b) 70AD Temple destruction.
(Verse 26).

(Gap of time or Age of Grace: The War (verse 26), or Spiritual Time of Battle for the Cause of Christ in Spreading the Gospel)

+ (Plus)

The last 1 week (7 days/7 years) = Tribulation period (verse 27).

7 + 69 + 1 = 70 Weeks.
This passage sets the backdrop or framework for Daniels 70 Week Prophecy (verse 24).


Side Note 1:

If you were to carefully look at the text, it states that there are things that happen in the gap like a.... "war" until the end. Also, Christ dies, and the temple is destroyed also within the gap of time that is not accounted for within the 70 weeks, as well. The text is actually saying that things are happening within the gap of the 69th week, and the 70th week.

Side Note 2:

The texts in brackets in blue and red in the Daniel 9 passage is my personal commentary on the text.
Great post! Good job here.
 
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1st Half of Tribulation
(The Beginning of Sorrows):
(The First 3 ½ Years of the Tribulation):
(Also Known As the "Beginning of Birth Pains"):

Introduction to the Beginning of Sorrows (or Birth Pains):

Jeremiah 30:6-7

"Why then do I see every man
with his hands on his stomach like a woman in labor?
Why has every face turned pale?
Alas! That day is so great
there is none like it;
it is a time of distress for Jacob;
yet he shall be saved out of it."​

A Quick Upcoming Glimpse of the Beginning of Sorrows:
(Nations Rise Against Nations, Famines, Pestilences, and Earthquakes, etc.):

Matthew 24:7-8

For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.​

Mark 13:7-8

For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.​

Luke 21:10-11

Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.​

Isaiah 26:16-17 NLT

LORD, in distress we searched for you. We prayed beneath the burden of your discipline. Just as a pregnant woman writhes and cries out in pain as she gives birth, so were we in your presence, LORD.​


The Beginning of Sorrows Begins:

The Anti-Christ Comes Forth:
(Being a Savior to the Entire World by possibly stopping Destructive Nations):

The First Seal:

Revelation 6:1-2

The First Seal Opened

And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four living creatures saying, Come and see. And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.​

Anti-Christ Makes A Peaceful Covenant With Israel & Other Nations for 7 Years:

Daniel 8:25 and Daniel 11:21

"By peace he shall destroy many," and "he shall come in peaceably and obtain the kingdom by flatteries"​

Daniel 9:27a

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week​

Anti-Christ Claims to Be God in the Jewish Temple:

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

"...and that man of sin... the son of perdition... opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; So that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."
The Lord Foretells of the Anti-Christ's End:

Ezekiel 28:2-10

"Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God: Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee: With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures: By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches: Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God; Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness. They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas. Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee. Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD."
Anti-Christ Dies In Battle:
(Which is the result of Israel and Rome breaking their Covenant with him over his claim to godhood in the temple):

Daniel 11:30a and Daniel 11:30b DRB (Douay-Rheims Bible)

For the ships of... the Romans shall come upon him, and he shall be struck, and shall return, and shall have indignation against the covenant of the sanctuary, and he shall succeed: and he shall return and shall devise against them that have forsaken the covenant of the sanctuary.
Antichrist Is Brought Back to Life as the Beast:

The Second Seal:


Revelation 6:3-4

The Second Seal Opened

And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, Come and see. And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
Revelation 13:1-3a

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast that I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his throne, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as if it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed:
Revelation 17:8 NLT

The beast you saw was once alive but isn't now. And yet he will soon come up out of the bottomless pit and go to eternal destruction. And the people who belong to this world, whose names were not written in the Book of Life before the world was made, will be amazed at the reappearance of this beast who had died.
2 Thessalonians 2:9

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders
The Beast (the 8th King) Destroys Babylon (The Harlot) with the help of Ten Other Kings:
(Babylon is Burned by Fire and It's Religious Headquarters & Economic System Falls):

A. Babylon's Royal & Religious Authority Falls To the Beast & His 10 Kings:
(And a Call is Given to People to Come Out of It's Remaining False Religion):

Revelation 17:5 NLT, Revelation 17:2 NLT, Revelation 17:12-13 ESV,
Revelation 17:16a NLT, Revelation 17:16b WEY, Revelation 18:1-8 NLT

Babylon the Great, Mother of All Prostitutes and Obscenities in the World.” ...was drunk... with the blood of God’s holy people who were witnesses for Jesus.

Judgment... is... come on the great prostitute, who rules over... the kings of the world have committed adultery with her, and the people who belong to this world have been made drunk by the wine of her immorality.

And the... ten kings who have not yet received royal power... are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast. These are of one mind, and they hand over their power and authority to the beast.

The... beast and his ten horns all hate the prostitute... and they will cause her to be laid waste and will strip her bare. They will eat her flesh, and burn her up with fire.

After all this I saw another angel come down from heaven with great authority, and the earth grew bright with his splendor. He gave a mighty shout:

“Babylon is fallen—that great city is fallen!
She has become a home for demons.
She is a hideout for every foul spirit,
a hideout for every foul vulture
and every foul and dreadful animal.
For all the nations have fallen
because of the wine of her passionate immorality.
The kings of the world have committed adultery with her.
Because of her desires for extravagant luxury,
the merchants of the world have grown rich.”


Then I heard another voice calling from heaven,

“Come away from her, my people.
Do not take part in her sins,
or you will be punished with her.
For her sins are piled as high as heaven,
and God remembers her evil deeds.
Do to her as she has done to others.
Double her penalty for all her evil deeds.
She brewed a cup of terror for others,
so brew twice as much for her.
She glorified herself and lived in luxury,
so match it now with torment and sorrow.
She boasted in her heart,
‘I am queen on my throne.
I am no helpless widow,
and I have no reason to mourn.’
Therefore, these plagues will overtake her in a single day—
death and mourning and famine.
She will be completely consumed by fire,
for the Lord God who judges her is mighty.

Revelation 18:20 NIV

"Rejoice over her, O heaven!
Rejoice, saints and apostles and prophets!
God has judged her for the way she treated you."

Revelation 18:22-23 NLT

"The sound of harps, singers, flutes, and trumpets will never be heard in you again.
The happy voices of brides and grooms will never be heard in you again.
For... you deceived the nations with your sorceries."

B. As Babylon (the City) Burns by Fire, Babylon's Economic System Falls:
(Effecting the Entire World's Economy So as to Rely Upon the Beast Financially):

Revelation 18:9-19

And the kings of the world who committed adultery with her and enjoyed her great luxury will mourn for her as they see the smoke rising from her charred remains. They will stand at a distance, terrified by her great torment. They will cry out,

“How terrible, how terrible for you,
O Babylon, you great city!
In a single moment
God’s judgment came on you.”


The merchants of the world will weep and mourn for her, for there is no one left to buy their goods. She bought great quantities of gold, silver, jewels, and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk, and scarlet cloth; things made of fragrant thyine wood, ivory goods, and objects made of expensive wood; and bronze, iron, and marble. Cinnamon, spice, incense, myrrh, frankincense, wine, oil, fine flour, wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and slaves, that is, human souls.

The fruits which your soul lusted after have been lost to you, and all things that were dainty and sumptuous have perished from you, and you will find them no more at all. The merchants who became wealthy by selling her these things will stand at a distance, terrified by her great torment. They will weep and cry out,

“How terrible, how terrible for that great city!
She was clothed in finest purple and scarlet linens,
decked out with gold and precious stones and pearls!
For in a single hour all this wealth has been laid waste.”


And all shipmasters and seafaring men, sailors and all whose trade is on the sea, stood far off. They will cry out as they watch the smoke ascend, and they will say,

“Where is there another city as great as this?” Then they threw dust on their heads and shouted while crying and mourning:

"How terrible, how terrible it is for the great city, where all who had ships at sea became rich from her wealth, because it has been destroyed in a single hour!"
Revelation 18:22-23 NLT

"No craftsmen and no trades will ever be found in you again.
The sound of the mill will never be heard in you again.
The light of a lamp will never shine in you again.
For your merchants were the greatest in the world
"​
"The Tribulation" or the 70th week of Daniel will begin at the 7th seal, NOT THE FIRST SEAL.

In Mat. 24 Jesus said, "the end is not yet" showing us the beginning of sorrows is the church age. In Revelation John shows us very clearly that the first seals were opened around 32 AD when Jesus ascended. The first seal is to represent the CHURCH sent out with the GOSPEL.

Seals 2-4 are the Red Horse and rider, the Black horse and rider, and the Pale horse and rider who all ride together. They are to represent the devil's attempts to STOP THE GOSPEL. However, God limited their theater of operation to only one fourth of the earth.

Seal 5 is for the martyrs of the church age.

Seal 6 begins judgment - what the martyrs were crying for. The church has been between the 5th and 6th seals all this time. Paul's rapture will come a moment before the 6th seal. The earthquake at the 6th seal will be Paul's "sudden destruction." And Paul said that we will have no appointments with His wrath; "they" get the sudden destruction, while those in Christ get raptured. Paul hints strongly here that the sudden destruction is the start of God's wrath. That fits with what John wrote, "the day of His wrath has come."
 
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This was good up until:
What things shall we escape if we pray?

All these things listed in the Olivet discourse go with the words Jesus also said, "the end is not yet." These are church age events. No one escapes these things. It is the days of great tribulation that one can escape - which comes with the wrath of God.

Jesus does not get to end times until Mat. 24:verses 13 & 14 - and then He skips over the first half of the week and goes straight to the abomination.

Next, Jesus took all in Abraham's bosom to heaven when He ascended. That place has been empty for a long time now. The dead in Christ are in heaven WITH GOD. It is written that Jesus brings them WITH HIM as He descends to the clouds. Many people now have been to heaven and came back to tell about it. We have report after report, all telling us similar things - things the bible has already told us. Several people have SEEN Abraham and talked with Him. There is proof "Abraham's bosom" is empty. The ONLY reason people had to go there was because the sin problem had to be delt with first. Once Jesus died and rose again, than all the righteous could go to heaven - and they did.

Different people talk of seeing Paul, Jonah, Adam and Eve, Abraham, David all in heaven. And of course many saw their own family that had gone on before. Therefore I am amazed you would think otherwise.

I don't want to endlessly debate. But ALL these things we shall escape if we pray is from Luke 17 and not Matthew 24.

You can line up what Jesus says in Luke 17 with what happens in Revelation.

As for Abraham's Bosom: Many people (I am not implying you or anything) think from a selfish "ME" perspective (when reading the Bible). For they do not like the idea of going to some sub Heaven like Abraham's Bosom. For some beleivers use the verse in Ephesians out of context from how the Bible uses the phrase "lead captivity captive." It's an OT phrase that has nothing to do with the rescue of believers.

Also, where are the dead in Christ rising from? Do they go from Heaven down into the grave to then rise again? That makes no sense. The passage on the Rapture talks about how the dead in Christ will RISE first. So they have to be in a place where they are able to rise.
 
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Jason, thanks for the earlier response regarding the Third Temple that will be built.
I may offer some thoughts on that later.

Where do you place The Marriage Supper of The Lamb?
Also, who do you believe will attend?
 
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Jason, thanks for the earlier response regarding the Third Temple that will be built.

Your welcome.
One thing that the new temple makes me think about are the words of Jesus that say:

"There shall not be left here one stone upon another,
that shall not be thrown down."
(Matthew 24:2).​

Some do not know this but the temple includes the outer court and the inner court.

"Over against the twenty cubits which were for the inner court, and over against the pavement which was for the utter court [i.e. outer court], was gallery against gallery in three stories."
(Ezekiel 42:3).
This means that the wailing wall that Jews pray at is a part of the last remnant of the temple. It is the outer court wall. So these are the stones that have not been thrown down that Jesus is talking about. When they rebuild the temple, the wailing wall shall be in view of it being the outer court wall of the inner temple. The WHOLE temple (outer court walls) and inner court temple will be destroyed entirely at the 7th bowl judgment with a large earthquake. I believe Christ returns right before that at the 6th bowl judgment. But the thing here is that the new temple will be destroyed by God. The new temple is also something that Jews are to run away from during when the Abomination of Desolations is set up in the temple (i.e. the Beast's idol statue or image of himself for others to worship). So the new temple makes me think about the fulfillment of Jesus's words. All the stones will be thrown down. So while the Jews may rebuild this temple. The Lord is going to tear this new temple down. Why? Jesus is the true temple and Messiah. He is the new temple who makes all things new.

You said:
I may offer some thoughts on that later.

Great. I look forward to it, if you feel like sharing it when you are ready (under the Lord's guidance).

You said:
Where do you place The Marriage Supper of The Lamb?

I place it at the breaking of the 6th bowl judgment with Christ's 2nd coming.
The marriage is not a feast in heaven, but it is a battle.
The phrase "eat the flesh of kings, and of captains" is an OT phrase for conquering one's enemies.
So this will not be a literal meal, but a metaphorical one of Christ and His elect conquering the remaining wicked inhabitants of this world (who will refuse to repent).

You said:
Also, who do you believe will attend?

Disembodied saints (who have lived out their faith). For they come down from out of Heaven. Jude talks about 10's of thousands of saints. So there will be a lot of believers in attendance. But who specifically? Definitely those taken up in the Mid-Trib gathering by angels. For in the Olivet discourse (shortly after Jesus talking about the Abomination of Desolations and telling Jews to run for the hills if they see it) we are told that one will be in a field and one will be taken and the other is left. In the Olivet discourse we are also told to: "Look up for your redemption draws near." In the Olivet discourse, we are also told that for the Elect's sake those days (the tribulation days with the antichrist and his abomination of desolations) will be shortened. Anyways, when one shall be taken, and the other left, the disciples ask Jesus where they are being taken. They are being taken up to later enter into the battle with Christ at the end of the Tribulation. They will be protected against God's wrath until His return. For general faithful believers in Christ are not appointed unto wrath. They will be taken up to fight in the battle. Jesus makes a reference to where the carcass is, there will the eagles (us) be gathered together. We are the eagles.

"But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles;..." (Isaiah 40:31).

I hope this helps;
And may God's goodness be upon you today.
 
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Jason, thanks for the earlier response regarding the Third Temple that will be built.
I may offer some thoughts on that later.

Where do you place The Marriage Supper of The Lamb?
Also, who do you believe will attend?

You can see the Marriage Supper of the Lamb placed at the start of the 2nd Coming in my chronology. I don't mention the Marriage supper until the body of believers is called to the fight.

Here is part of my chronology that talks about it:

The Second Coming of Christ:
(The Lord Appears in the Clouds Coming in Great Power & Glory):

Revelation 16:15

The Sixth Vial (Part 3):

"Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame."​

Revelation 1:7 NIV

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him.​

Matthew 24:27

For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.​

Luke 17:24

For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.​

Isaiah 26:21a NLT

Look! The LORD is coming from heaven to punish the people of the earth for their sins.​

Psalm 96:13 NKJV

For He is coming, for He is coming to judge the earth. He shall judge the world with righteousness​

Revelation 19:11-13 and Revelation 19:15-16

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.​

1 Timothy 6:14 NLT and 1 Timothy 6:15 NKJV

Our Lord Jesus Christ comes again...
He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.​

Certain Saints in Heaven Are Made Ready For The Marriage Supper of The Lamb:


Revelation 19:6-8 HCS and Revelation 19:9 NIV

Then I heard something like the voice of a vast multitude, like the sound of cascading waters, and like the rumbling of loud thunder, saying:

"Hallelujah, because our Lord God, the Almighty, has begun to reign! Let us be glad, rejoice, and give Him glory, because the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has prepared herself. She was given fine linen to wear, bright and pure. For the fine linen represents the righteous acts of the saints."

Then the angel said to me,

Write: ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!’”​

The Lord Gathers His Elect For the Upcoming Battle:
(The Call to the Marriage Supper of the Lamb):

Revelation 19:17-18 and Revelation 19:14

And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying

"To all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great."

And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Isaiah 40:31

But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles;
Luke 17:37

Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Matthew 24:28

For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.​

Jude 1:14

Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,​

Isaiah 31:4 NLT

The LORD of Heaven’s Armies will come down​

Isaiah 26:21b NLT

The earth will no longer hide those who have been killed. They will be brought out for all to see.
The battle of our Lord or the Marriage supper itself can be seen in post #8.
 
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