Bible says science cannot possibly know how many years since creation

[dad]

That sounds like confirmation bias. A claim that a follower of any religion can make. It demonstrates that the testing was not proper. A proper test would ask "What would I expect to see if my beliefs were false?" . If you can think of a reasonable unbiased test that asks that question then you might have something.

A proper test is whatever God put in place to test something. As for the folks doing other experiments, well, I am in no position to claim that none of them gets some sort of result from evil spirits either.

 

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The universe expands and contracts, giving the appearance of a recent expansion from the explosion of a small thing.

A claim without evidence can be dismissed with a handwave.

 

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A proper test is whatever God put in place to test something. As for the folks doing other experiments, well, I am in no position to claim that none of them gets some sort of result from evil spirits either.

Not so. You cannot assume a God. That is the concept being tested. We could fill in "God" with Allah or Vishnu and the claim would be just as valid.

 

[dad]

Not so. You cannot assume a God. That is the concept being tested. We could fill in "God" with Allah or Vishnu and the claim would be just as valid.

The tests are in. Thousands of years of them.

 

[AV1611VET]

Asking what happened before the Big Bang may be a nonsensical question.

I disagree.

The word "before" can be a useful word that allows for probing deeper into a matter.

 

[AV1611VET]

The universe expands and contracts,

Has the universe ever been observed contracting?

 

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The tests are in. Thousands of years of them.

Really? Name one valid test.

 

[dad]

Really? Name one valid test.

Ro 5:5 - And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

I feel it.

 

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I disagree.

The word "before" can be a useful word that allows for probing deeper into a matter.

It may be, but only if there was a before. If there was no before then it is nonsensical. We are talking about the question,not about the results of studying. For example what is north of the North Pole?

 

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Ro 5:5 - And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

I feel it.

Not a valid test as explained above. That appears to be only confirmation bias. What reasonable test would show you to be wrong?

 

[dad]

Not a valid test as explained above. That appears to be only confirmation bias. What reasonable test would show you to be wrong?

When you can monitor the Spirit of God get back to us. Meanwhile you speak from ignorance.

 

[dad]

Not a valid test as explained above. That appears to be only confirmation bias. What reasonable test would show you to be wrong?

When you can monitor the Spirit of God get back to us. Meanwhile you speak from ignorance.

 

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When you can monitor the Spirit of God get back to us. Meanwhile you speak from ignorance.

You were the one that claimed tests were in. The problem is that your texts confirm Allah, Vishnu, the Buddha, and every other version of god. I am not the ignorant one here.

 

[AV1611VET]

It may be, but only if there was a before. If there was no before then it is nonsensical. We are talking about the question,not about the results of studying. For example what is north of the North Pole?

Again, I disagree.

See how effective your question was?

What is north of the North Pole?

Nothing.

You made a good point with it.

By the same token, what is before T=0?

In this case, "nothing" is the wrong answer.

The right answer is: "God".

This establishes His [natural] attribute of transcendence.

 

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Again, I disagree.

See how effective your question was?

What is north of the North Pole?

Nothing.

You made a good point with it.

By the same token, what is before T=0?

In this case, "nothing" is the wrong answer.

The right answer is: "God".

This establishes His [natural] attribute of transcendence.

If you want to claim that the right answer is "God" then the burden of proof is upon you. At best all we can say is "We don't know yet." Unless you have something to the contrary. Mere belief is something that all religious people have in common regardless of what god they believe in whether the Christian God, the Muslim Allah, the Hindu Vishnu etc..

 

[dad]

You were the one that claimed tests were in. The problem is that your texts confirm Allah, Vishnu, the Buddha, and every other version of god. I am not the ignorant one here.

Why is that a problem, did you doubt they existed also?

 

[AV1611VET]

If you want to claim that the right answer is "God" then the burden of proof is upon you.

What physical entity/object can exist before time, if not God?

At best all we can say is "We don't know yet."

That's your prerogative.

But when they take the attitude, "We don't know, therefore you don't know either," they've gone too far.

Unless you have something to the contrary.

Like God?

Mere belief is something that all religious people have in common regardless of what god they believe in whether the Christian God, the Muslim Allah, the Hindu Vishnu etc..

Does that not tell you there's more to this universe than meets the eye?

 

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Why is that a problem, did you doubt they existed also?

Pretty much since they are contradictory to each other. As the saying goes, only one can be right, but they all can be wrong. I am still waiting for the supposed tests. No confirmation bias, but actual objective tests.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why is that a problem, did you doubt they existed also?

I believe they exist too: as fallen angels.

The exception is Buddha, who was a mere man.

 

[AV1611VET]

Pretty much since they are contradictory to each other.

Not at all.

See my last post.

As the saying goes, only one can be right, but they all can be wrong.

I think it goes:

"They can't all be right, but they can all be wrong."

I am still waiting for the supposed tests. No confirmation bias, but actual objective tests.

Of what? God's existence?