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Having compassion for a sick person and wanting to minister healing for him is very appropriate and is totally in line with what is written in the gospels. It is part of the spirit of Christ to do so. To engage in persistent prayer and intercession for the sick person is also consistent with Scripture.

What concerns me is putting God on a timetable, that He has to heal a sick person within a specific time, and that He has to heal the sick person no matter what. This seems to me to violate the sovereignty of God to do things His way.

Also, the attitude of "if I believe hard enough it will happen" is not reflected in Scripture. It, as I have been saying all along in this thread, this is trying to use mind control to achieve the result, and this is actually Hinduism mind control techniques. I don't see the Holy Spirit using pagan mind control techniques to achieve His purposes in people. It is amazing how this has infiltrated so many areas of the church, and how that those who are caught up in it so fiercely defend it. It seems that they are blind to the demonic deception that has corrupted true faith.

True faith always puts things in God's hands to do what He pleases to do in any situation, and is accompanied by His peace that passes all understanding.

None of that matters to me, the very reason i didn't bother with your last lengthy reply to me. I only want to be sure what you are doing is doing anything at all. Would you be willing to work with us in proving if it is or is not? How bout you, Saint Steven?
 
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None of that matters to me, the very reason i didn't bother with your last lengthy reply to me. I only want to be sure what you are doing is doing anything at all. Would you be willing to work with us in proving if it is or is not? How bout you, Saint Steven?
Did you know that Kenneth Copeland, the "name it and claim it" guru actually gave a prophesy in the late 1980s actually denying the divinity of Christ? Wow!! And how many thousands of believer believe what he preaches?

Copeland prophesied, As Jesus is speaking through him at three day victory camp in Dallas, Texas.

"Don't be disturbed when people accuse you of thinking you're God. Don't be disturbed when people accuse you of a fanatical way of life. Don't be disturbed when people put you down and speak harshly and roughly of you. They spoke that way of me, should they not speak that way of you?

The more you get to be like me, the more they're going to think that way of you. They crucified me for claiming I was God. But I didn't claim I was God; I just claimed I walked with him and he was in me." Hallelujah. that's what your doing. (printed in Voice of Victory vol.15.no.2 1987)

Is he one of the "hucksters" you are talking about? :)
 
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I am in the process of reading a good book on the invasion of sorcery into the church. What I have discovered is that expecting something to happen just because we believe it will happen is a form of sorcery. It involves a type of controlling situations, circumstances and outcomes through the power of the mind. In the church the belief is that if one has faith that something is going to happen then it will, or it has to. This makes faith a power in itself; in other words what is being called "faith" is actually occult sorcery. It is not having faith in God, but having faith in faith. It is using "faith" to demand God to do what we are wanting or believing He will do. This is why I have a problem with the OP, because he is expecting healing to happen because he is believing that it will. He is using the mind-power of "faith" to force God into healing the person he is praying for. But true faith is trusting God that He will heal the person in His own time and way. Faith has no power of its own to accomplish anything. If it did, it would make God redundant, because it would be the power of faith to accomplish the healing, and not the power of God. This is a subtle demonic deception that has infiltrated the church to a very large degree, and we should be aware of it.
What was the name of the book?
 
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What was the name of the book?
It is called "The Seduction of Christianity" by Dave Hunt. I downloaded it as a pdf and read it through in an afternoon on my ipad. Very enlightening!
 
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Yeppers i have it lol
If you go to Youtube, there are some very interesting video messages of his. I have watched a few of them and have greatly enjoyed them.
 
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Did you know that Kenneth Copeland, the "name it and claim it" guru actually gave a prophesy in the late 1980s actually denying the divinity of Christ? Wow!! And how many thousands of believer believe what he preaches?

Copeland prophesied, As Jesus is speaking through him at three day victory camp in Dallas, Texas.

"Don't be disturbed when people accuse you of thinking you're God. Don't be disturbed when people accuse you of a fanatical way of life. Don't be disturbed when people put you down and speak harshly and roughly of you. They spoke that way of me, should they not speak that way of you?

The more you get to be like me, the more they're going to think that way of you. They crucified me for claiming I was God. But I didn't claim I was God; I just claimed I walked with him and he was in me." Hallelujah. that's what your doing. (printed in Voice of Victory vol.15.no.2 1987)

Is he one of the "hucksters" you are talking about? :)

Yes, he fits nicely among a pile of them.
 
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Yes, he fits nicely among a pile of them.
I wouldn't be allowed on here to comment my views of the WOF movement, but you can read between the lines.
 
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IMO, it's because it didn't really happen.

I've yet to see any big news about a person or group of people going throughout the city streets really instantly healing crowds of people....and that would be BIG news, not just a YouTube video or charismatic-oriented website. As many folks as there are out there recording all kinds of stuff on cell phones, it would spread like wildfire. And yet.......nothing. Why aren't all these people who claim they can use the power of God to heal others doing stuff like this....especially if they truly believe God wants to heal ALL? That's a rhetorical question, no answer needed. I know why.

Does God heal? Yes, I believe he does. But not in the way some folks claim. Especially the ones who feel the need to tout it on Christian TV networks and under an anonymous name on the forums.

I, for one, don't need to believe in miracle healings to bolster my faith. I can believe just fine without them.
What use is "your" faith may i ask
 
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When I was, at 21 years old, just two years old in the Lord I tried to cast a demon out of someone who didn't want to have it cast out, and, believe me, it was a very nasty experience, and the demon stay where it was. It was case of believing something I could do, but without knowledge and experience.
Yes, as I understand it, a demon has a legal "right" to be there if the host has an agreement with them. This means the host has believed a demonic lie. Until the lie is identified and renounced, and then replaced with God's truth, they will stay put, or return with seven more (worse than themselves) to a "clean" house.

Matthew 12:43-45
“When an impure spirit comes out of a person, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. 44 Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order. 45 Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that person is worse than the first. That is how it will be with this wicked generation.”
 
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Yes, as I understand it, a demon has a legal "right" to be there if the host has an agreement with them. This means the host has believed a demonic lie. Until the lie is identified and renounced, and then replaced with God's truth, they will stay put, or return with seven more (worse than themselves) to a "clean" house.

Matthew 12:43-45
“When an impure spirit comes out of a person, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. 44 Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order. 45 Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that person is worse than the first. That is how it will be with this wicked generation.”
That was the only time I got told off by the Lord. He said to me, "Don't ever do that again until I tell you that you can!" That was 1970. He has never opened the door for me to have a deliverance ministry to this day, 49 years later. Even when I read every book I could on spiritual warfare and learned heaps about it - the good, bad, and the ugly, and the right and wrong ways to go about it, He still has not opened any doors of ministry in that area; in fact, although many people with medical conditions have come across my path for me to pray with them, I have never had one demon manifest in front of me for me to use what I learned about spiritual warfare.
 
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A thought for those who believe that healing is "a gift". (rather than a responsibility)
Based on this scripture, how could the "miracle gifts" have been revoked at the death of the Apostles? Did the death of the Apostles nullify God's gifts?

Romans 11:29
for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.
 
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What use is "your" faith may i ask
I imagine the same as yours (minus all of the party favors and need for validation).

You know, it's repulsive the way some of you folks strut around these forums and insinuate that those who don't go around pretending to miraculously heal people or cast out demons are sub-standard Christians (or not Christian at all). Elitism is still alive and well in Christianity.
 
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Dont you all know that everyone on this thread is correct? Therefore there is no reason to try and convince the other side that they are wrong.....because they arent. What a man thinketh so is he. If you believe God doesnt heal or doesnt heal at your request or only sometimes......you are correct! It will be unto you as you believe..... You will not be healed every time you ask....and you may or may not be healed whenever you choose to ask for it.

Those who believe God does heal every time you ask.....you are correct....be it unto you as you believe. Enjoy your health. And do not boast concerning this gift......as the Lord giveth and He can take away....

So everyone is right....Everyone is receiving what they believe and getting the desires of their heart. Who are we to tell the other that they should want or desire something other than they want and desire?

Blind men asked Jesus to give them their sight....."and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this?" The men then had to make a choice...... It just so happened that they answered.... "Yea, Lord" And only after this, did Jesus heal them.

We are all free to answer as we choose......and all should be allowed to make this choice without judgement.
 
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Healing comes as a matter of authority. It is God's will that everyone be healed.

Matthew 8:5-13
When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 6 “Lord,” he said, “my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.”
7 Jesus said to him, “Shall I come and heal him?”
8 The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”
10 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.” And his servant was healed at that moment.
 
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Dont you all know that everyone on this thread is correct? Therefore there is no reason to try and convince the other side that they are wrong.....because they arent. What a man thinketh so is he. If you believe God doesnt heal or doesnt heal at your request or only sometimes......you are correct! It will be unto you as you believe..... You will not be healed every time you ask....and you may or may not be healed whenever you choose to ask for it.

Those who believe God does heal every time you ask.....you are correct....be it unto you as you believe. Enjoy your health. And do not boast concerning this gift......as the Lord giveth and He can take away....

So everyone is right....Everyone is receiving what they believe and getting the desires of their heart. Who are we to tell the other that they should want or desire something other than they want and desire?

Blind men asked Jesus to give them their sight....."and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this?" The men then had to make a choice...... It just so happened that they answered.... "Yea, Lord" And only after this, did Jesus heal them.

We are all free to answer as we choose......and all should be allowed to make this choice without judgement.
Therefore, those who believe that God does not always heal and deliver actually prefer to be sick, in pain, and demonized. A very sad report.
 
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That was the only time I got told off by the Lord. He said to me, "Don't ever do that again until I tell you that you can!" That was 1970. He has never opened the door for me to have a deliverance ministry to this day, 49 years later. Even when I read every book I could on spiritual warfare and learned heaps about it - the good, bad, and the ugly, and the right and wrong ways to go about it, He still has not opened any doors of ministry in that area; in fact, although many people with medical conditions have come across my path for me to pray with them, I have never had one demon manifest in front of me for me to use what I learned about spiritual warfare.
That's interesting. And you should heed both parts of that prophecy.
Wait for the green light go-ahead. Are you ready? (out of season, in season)
Green light = foot off the brake and on the accelerator. Go, man go!
I hope your vehicle isn't in the garage. Could get messy. lol
 
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That was the only time I got told off by the Lord. He said to me, "Don't ever do that again until I tell you that you can!" That was 1970. He has never opened the door for me to have a deliverance ministry to this day, 49 years later. Even when I read every book I could on spiritual warfare and learned heaps about it - the good, bad, and the ugly, and the right and wrong ways to go about it, He still has not opened any doors of ministry in that area; in fact, although many people with medical conditions have come across my path for me to pray with them, I have never had one demon manifest in front of me for me to use what I learned about spiritual warfare.
Wow that would be a challenge and disheartening:( i'm so sorry!
 
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Therefore, those who believe that God does not always heal and deliver actually prefer to be sick, in pain, and demonized. A very sad report.
Or they do not know what they do....or perish for lack of knowledge.
 
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Wow that would be a challenge and disheartening:( i'm so sorry!
I saw a bumper sticker many years ago that asked:
Have you tormented the Devil yet today?
 
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