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Featured Bold Prediction: Over-the-phone ministered healing to a specific member of this community!

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Johnny4ChristJesus, Apr 2, 2019.

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  1. Johnny4ChristJesus

    Johnny4ChristJesus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I am issuing this bold prediction at a cost, because I believe what God said so strongly that it has to cost me something if I am wrong. Though I love this forum (as one could see from my number of posts over time), I am so sure that God heals that I won't ever post again--after Wednesday at approximately 1:30 PM (Eastern Standard Time) when my over-the-phone ministering begins--unless the man from this community that I am ministering healing to is healed in the present time.

    I have read posts from people who say that nothing ever changes and nobody's opinion changes, and they don't feel that being a part of this forum adds any value. Maybe uninspired talking and uninspired wisdom doesn't add value and maybe that is because God never intended us to use carnal weapons against the spiritual forces that are behind false doctrine, according to God's Word as found in The Bible. Maybe human bantering with human wisdom doesn't add value. But, when God does something supernatural--like what Jesus said in Mar 16:15-18 to validate the Word preached, that has always changed things. Well, I believe He already has done something for us. And, as an Ambassador in Christ, I am going to prove it.

    Even if the person being prayed for never posts, for privacy reasons, healing would be value to the person who receives it and to those who know them. Healing would be a sign to unbelievers who know this individual in his local community and those he is closer with online (whom he might have shared with online). If the person does post, he has the credentials to validate his healing.

    While I don't have the permission of the party to post his name, he will know whether or not he is genuinely healed. His wife will know whether he is genuinely healed. And, God will know. Since he is a member of this community, he and God will both know if he isn't healed and if I post again after the scheduled prayer time (Wednesday at 1:30 EST) without his healing having manifested. Since, I have said that I would never post again until His healing comes to fruition in the present time, I would be lying and all three (including God) would know it. Since Revelation doesn't speak kindly of liars, I don't plan to willfully be one.

    I would rather never post again on a community I love than willfully be a flat-out liar before God!

    Again, I will begin praying for him on Wednesday afternoon over the phone. He lives in another state and has contacted me via private conversation (which will remain private, unless he chooses to share his testimony).

    We will be praying specifically for ringing in the ears and hearing loss. I am believing that the ringing will stop and the hearing loss will cease. I am also believing that God is going to bring back the hearing that has been stolen by the enemy. Jesus was manifest to undo the works of satan. satan comes to kill, steal and destroy, but Jesus came to give life and life abundantly. Things don't just happen, we are in a war.

    So mark my words, I am so sure that this member of this community will be healed--because of what God already did for us through the stripes, death on the Cross, burial and Resurrection from the dead of Jesus Christ--that I will never post again on this forum after Wednesday, 4/3/19 at 1:30 PM, until and unless this man's healing is genuinely manifested in the present time--(no silly stuff like claiming belief that he is healed while still suffering from it in the present--he doesn't believe in that either)! His healing will manifest or I will never post here again (which I am sure would please the multitude on this site who don't believe healing is for today anyway).

    But, when I do post, you will have been told ahead of time of what was going to happen--while the individual was still suffering from something he has been suffering from for a long long time. GOD is much more GOOD than the multitude give Him credit for. Yay, God!

    Serving In Christ Jesus,

    John
     
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    I'm speechless.
     
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    Why.
     
  4. Oscarr

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    Because God is sovereign and not a "vending machine" where we can pop in a prayer like a coin and out comes the result, when I minister healing to anyone, either on CF or in person, I minister out of obedience to God's Word rather than for results. I can't heal a flea with a headache, let alone someone with terminal cancer. But I can obey the command "heal the sick" by saying to a sick person, "Jesus heals you" and leave the results with the Holy Spirit who deals with my obedience in the way He sees fit.

    I have concerns about someone trying to put a time limit on God and trying to twist His arm up His back and imposing conditions on Him about how and when He is to heal a person. Honestly, I don't hold out much hope for success for the OP, although the Lord may be gracious and merciful and produce the result for him. Them again, I can't see the Lord allowing a precedent where someone can "command" God to do what he wants Him to do. If He allowed it, then we might get folks commanding God for all sorts of things which, in His wisdom, He may not want to provide.

    However, this is not to put the OP down, because he sounds as if he has good intentions, but I think he should wait upon God for a bit longer to know what the Holy Spirit is saying to him about it.
     
  5. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    Glad you don't hold out much hope, Oscar. It just proves how deep the lies of the enemy are entrenched in the visible church.

    I'm not going to argue with you. I'm going to let God uphold His Word.

    But, I am going to refute your claim that I am "twisting God's arm" or "treating God as a vending machine" or "commanding God what to do" or "giving time limits" (I just said I won't be on CF until after the healing manifests, and it will), as you openly suggested.

    I believe Jesus paid the price. I believe Jesus was manifest to undo the works of our enemy. I believe Jesus came to bring life and life abundantly, not death and destruction. I don't believe, ANYMORE, that when God talks about having faith and talks about rewarding faith, He could expect us to have faith for healing if He didn't plan on healing them all, like He did when Jesus walked the earth with the same Holy Spirit that we have been given empowering Him. I think it would be really inconsistent if everyone who came to Jesus for healing was healed (without caveats), but for us there are plenty of caveats that don't rest squarely on the believer who is doing the praying. The only caveat for lack of healing that Jesus gave was unbelief--something He had none of, but people here--including yourself--have in abundance.

    Why would I ever persist in prayer for anything, if I didn't know God wanted to do it? We aren't talking about something selfish for me here. I also admit that apart from what God did for me and now does through me--because of what He did to make it possible and because He honors His Word (ALWAYS), I could pray until I was blue in the face and see no results.

    Why would God ever not want to heal someone--unless He very clearly told the person praying in advance, when He commands us to "heal the sick" (if we really believe), not simply say a prayer for them and move on--not knowing whether or not they will actually be healed? That isn't faith. That's a lottery ticket. Jesus said too much for me to believe that true faith is no more than a simple, non-persistent, checking-the-block, statement that returns empty results more often than genuine life and testimony changing results.

    Why doesn't God give any of the caveats when Jesus walked the earth--so we could know them in advance? The only caveat he gave was people weren't healed due to our disbelief.

    Please consider this, in addition to the testimony that will soon be forthcoming. Our weapons are not carnal. I'm not going to argue back and forth. I'm gonna let God's Word speak for Himself. He said we will pray for the sick and they will be healed. So, they will, because of who He is and the value He places on upholding His Word. I am simply a willing vessel who will stand on His Word as True.
     
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    Some thoughts.

    We should have more faith that Jesus works through this Forum even though we often don't immediately see the results. Seeds are being sown and things can take some time to grow.

    I think Jesus said something about vows and saying more than Yes or No was likely to be the work of the enemy was it not?

    Then the devil took Him to the holy city and set Him on the pinnacle of the temple. 6“If You are the Son of God,” he said, “throw Yourself down. For it is written: ‘He will command His angels concerning You, and they will lift You up in their hands, so that You will not strike Your foot against a stone.’” 7Jesus replied, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’”…

    The Holy Spirit had led Jesus into the Desert in this example but rejects this request- who and what is behind your need to prove miracles? If it is the Spirit then go ahead but the bible simply says we have to believe the word - what does the word say?

    But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
     
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    Im a skeptic. Perhaps if you're wrong you could just admit it and stay on the forums. It would be humbling but so blessed for you, and would set an example for the rest of us to follow.
     
  8. tampasteve

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    I also am a skeptic in this matter. Does God heal? Yes, he does. Does he always do it on our time and to our particular request? No, absolutely not. What would you say to the family with a child in treatment for cancer that looses that child - in spite of their total commitment, unceasing prayers of theirs and everyone they know (and do not know)? This literally happened to someone I know, and it will shake your faith to the core. You can't treat God like a genie that if you just say the right words, just believe enough, then it will happen.
     
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  9. A Realist

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    Absolutely incredible, and nothing but self-promotion disguised as "cheer-leading for God".

    :doh:
    So the "cost" to you is not posting here anymore if you're wrong?

    That's not a "cost". That's a choice.
     
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  10. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    It is interesting that you picked those Scriptures to try to say that we shouldn't expect anything "by faith" and yet God says the opposite. In what you said about Jesus, satan was tempting Him to do something that isn't of God (jump off a building just to prove who He is). Yet, Jesus also said things that would be more relevant to the topic at hand, like: "these signs will follow those who believe...", did he not? Jesus even went so far to say--without catch--that "what things soever you desire, when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them" and "Whosoever says to this mountain, 'be removed and be cast into the sea'; and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things which he said shall come to pass, he shall have whatsoever he says." (Mar 11:22-24, and He says these things relevant to cursing a fig tree and it dying).

    It is interesting that many on this site claim to believe in God, but would cower from making any bold statements that could be proven or disproven AND which require God's power to fulfill. All we have to do is look at the number of protestant denominations and other divisions in what claims to be the church to see that there are a lot of people sowing their own doctrine, not God's. God chose His Words. Jesus didn't have to say what He said regarding what we would do or not do. He could have left it to intellectual debate. He didn't.

    I'm not testing God, btw. He already decreed it. I'm just doing the church's job--like we all should be--of informing the beings/elements that don't want to line up with what He already decreed what He purchased. What is different in me from before and from many who have a problem with it, is I am just believing what He said.

    And, that is probably why those who subscribe to those lying spirits have so many issues with what I am doing. The early church wouldn't have. They saw this kind of stuff all the time. I'll bet religious people persecuted Peter for showboating when he just walked by and similarly persecuted Paul when people were healed or when hankerchiefs and aprons that touched Paul. And we know they persecuted Stephen to the death.

    Prayer over the phone is hardly a big deal, because God isn't limited by our space concept. But, for a long time, I wouldn't have believed that anything would happen if I didn't touch the sick. So, if I don't tell others--who could also be used by God for the same thing--shame on me.

    If people don't want to believe, that's okay. They didn't really believe Jesus anyway and frankly, many here probably don't either--at least not if we stick to Scriptural definitions of belief and not man-made easy-believe-ism. Just keep in mind that Jesus said: "Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord' will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of My Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, 'Lord, Lord'...and then will I profess to them, I never knew you; depart from me, you that work iniquity." Because they said they did wonderful works, one might assume they were supernatural works; but again, according to Jesus, without the supernatural going on in your life, you aren't a true believer. Jesus, then goes into the parable of the builders where it is very clear that hearing and doing the Jesus' sayings is what matters. In Mark 16, the Word of God testifies that "The Lord was working with them and confirming the word with signs following. Amen" (Mar 16:20)

    just food for thought.
     
  11. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    Do you realize how foolish you sound? It is interesting how you think you can judge the intentions of the heart and yet you are accusing me of self-promotion?

    So, from this website, what can you glean about me? Dig deep into my profile, where is the website address for people to donate money to? Where is the church listing so you can come and join my church and pay me your tithe and additional offerings. Where is the "youtube channel" for you to add your name to my list of subscribers so I can get advertiser's money. Oh, wait, I forgot one, where is the book listing, so you can buy my recently released book?

    Clearly, if I'm about self-promotion, there must be something there????

    Maybe you are dead wrong. But, you are entitled to your false judgments and where that leads when you stand before the one I work for. I would suggest you repent before Him, while you still have the chance. But, you can reject my suggestion to your own peril, if you so choose.
     
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  12. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    God is NOT a genie. Your assumption that I am making such a statement is invalid. I am saying that God already decreed it and the church is supposed to be enforcing that decree according to "the Mystery" that God revealed.

    So what if you are wrong?

    What if the church has lost something that it once had? What happens if when Peter, Paul, Philip, and Stephen were around, we wouldn't have even been having such a discussion. Back then, the expectation was that signs followed those who truly believed, because that is what Jesus said and they valued what He said enough to act on it--as though what He said would happen would. What does James say happens when you ask with doubt? (James 1:5-8) What does Jesus say is required to get what you ask for? (belief and no doubt--Mar 11:22-24)

    I can't speak for a situation that I wasn't part of. But, I would be really saddened for the loss and pain being suffered by those hurt by the loss and privately excited for the little one who got to go see Jesus sooner than me. The size of the group praying doesn't matter. What matters is what they really believe relative to God and the situation, not what they are hoping for.

    When, in Scripture, does Jesus give any other stand-alone reason for lack of efficacy of prayers, other than unbelief and doubt on the part of the person praying?

    So, once again we are stuck with do we believe The Word of God or the traditions of men and their justifications for why lives don't match up with what God, in His Word, says they should look like?
     
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    So you are saying that in this case the parents and people praying for that child did not have enough belief and that they had doubt in their hearts and that is in fact why the child was not healed by God?
     
  14. A Realist

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    Self-promotion isn't always about money or having renown.....many times it's about ego. ;)
     
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    I think you missed the whole point of what I said.

    One of the fruits of the Spirit is humility BTW.
     
  16. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    Fair enough. Getting off right away wouldn't allow me to be shamed. I can appreciate that. The naysayers should have their day. That is fair.

    The challenge is that I won't admit that God doesn't want to see everyone healed nor will I admit that the person isn't going to be healed. That would require me to take a step back from my faith--a faith that drives me to pray for people out of compassion for them, so they don't have to continue to walk with the illnesses/diseases they do (because if it were me, I would want someone to do the same for me).

    So, I will be humble enough to read their rants, but I won't respond--because I still won't accept the unbelief they are selling. I've seen too many people touched, too many lives changed, too many people who go to "believing" churches actually surprised by what God has done that they really didn't think was possible, let alone the honest unbelievers who were desperate, because they no longer have another option.

    Healing may not always happen instantaneously (Sometimes I think it takes persistence in prayer and limited time available of one or both parties can get in the way); but I don't believe God would give an unlimited command, if He only planned to give limited results. God doesn't have a switch where He only honors His Word in certain situations and doesn't in others. Jesus could have given us or exemplified a whole lot more excuses, but He didn't. He limited the outs to the disbelief of the person doing the prayer. And interestingly, that was before they got the Holy Spirit.

    I was guilty of disbelief until very recently. As a result, the efficacy of my prayers was limited, because I didn't accept that God wanted to heal everyone. My best results were when I simply prayed in the Spirit for them (probably because my spirit is in tune with God and the rest of me wasn't, so I was compromising what I was expecting by what I was praying without belief that my good God wanted everyone healed. But, like I said to another, if you believe that, how can you pray in faith?

    You have a right to be skeptical, given where the visible church stands and how few who claim to believe and are willing to endure the persecution to talk about stuff like this.
     
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    Have you been reading the posts, including your own? Clearly, if it was about ego, I wouldn't waste my time posting. The posts certainly aren't trying to build me up. I think we can agree on that, right? So, I'm not sure how you see me putting this out there as an ego-builder.

    But, when God backs me up, because He already decreed this, it still isn't an ego-booster for me. Because I didn't do it. He did.
     
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    And, how are you demonstrating what you are saying I'm not? I believe that agreeing with what God says, even when I don't feel comfortable with it, is humility. Agreeing with man over God's Word is not humility, contrary to what is often claimed.
     
  19. A Realist

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    For the record, I'm not saying that God does not heal. I firmly believe He does; however, I believe true healings are under-the-radar and done in privacy (as Jesus stated). Not blasted out over the internet in forums, YouTube videos, and social media by those who were supposedly the "instrument" used for the healing.
     
  20. Johnny4ChristJesus

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    What I said is what God said. I didn't deviate. Where, in the New Testament, does God give another reason for failed prayer--other than unbelief, doubt, and selfish requests?

    Now, I certainly wouldn't say that to them in the moment. That wouldn't help them, nor would it help me while I was grieving such a terrible and sad loss. Love doesn't use that for a teaching moment. But, if they had another child who got cancer and I was aware of their previous loss, you can bet compassion would stir me to do everything I could to keep it from happening to them again--just like I would want someone to do for me.
     
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