Flat earth beliefs are totally in error.

[Dirk1540]

I must say, any of you that think you would be able to attend a FE conference and even hold a candle to these people... your just not understanding... they were in your shoes once... They laughed and milk came out their noses when they heard of the FE too.

No my laughter was in reverse of how you’re thinking, if FE people were as weird as some people thought they were I would wanna attend one of these FE conventions just for the entertainment value lol. The description I quoted had me thinking of that Quantum Leap episode where the two ‘Time travelers’ were arguing with each other.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Ladies and gentleman this thread is not about the movement of the earth, the Sun, Moon and the stars: it is simply about the earth being flat or not period, nothing else.

That being said I have kindly posed a challenge for those following this thread to examine the passages I cited in post #62 of this thread which show that the earth is not circular nor a globe of any shape or kind. Does anyone have scripture which says otherwise?

 

[JacksBratt]

Not sure what you mean by "already risen". Risen where?

Like risen.. fully observable in the sky... while the moon is still being shadowed...

I will not settle for "refraction".. this would be the "go to" answer.. for those without one...

If it were refraction, then sometimes the sun would rise, early, do to refraction.. what a site.. Sunrise scheduled for 6:45 but it rises at 6:30 and nobody notices...

OH.. .I got it... it only happens when there is a lunar eclipse... nope.... not refraction.

 

[JacksBratt]

No my laughter was in reverse of how you’re thinking, if FE people were as weird as some people thought they were I would wanna attend one of these FE conventions just for the entertainment value lol. The description I quoted had me thinking of that Quantum Leap episode where the two ‘Time travelers’ were arguing with each other.

Well you should check out the line up of the key note speakers at these conferences... I think your stereotype my be fractured.

 

[trophy33]

Like risen.. fully observable in the sky... while the moon is still being shadowed...

I will not settle for "refraction".. this would be the "go to" answer.. for those without one...

If it were refraction, then sometimes the sun would rise, early, do to refraction.. what a site.. Sunrise scheduled for 6:45 but it rises at 6:30 and nobody notices...

OH.. .I got it... it only happens when there is a lunar eclipse... nope.... not refraction.

Do you have a photo? Still not sure what you have in mind.

Also, shadowed moon is not a lunar eclipse.

 

[Lost4words]

Oh.. ya, I forgot, you just post jibes and emoticons.. but no data, no substance of any argument..no contribution of scripture or evidence of any observation.... just armchair cheers and/or boos.

Jack, my old friend. You ALWAYS say the same old stuff! You keep shooting yourself down on these threads about flat earth. Its so funny my friend. Plus, you actually believe the earth is flat! You dismiss all the scientific evidence we have got. Everything that has been taught to millions of people.

 

[Dirk1540]

Well you should check out the line up of the key note speakers at these conferences... I think your stereotype my be fractured.

I think you’re misunderstanding me, I don’t have that over the top stereotype, I was laughing at the over the top stereotype, and saying that if the stereotype was really that bad then I would go to a convention just for the entertainment factor.

I just think one side is wrong and they are buying into bad arguments that’s all.

 

[JacksBratt]

Do you have a photo? Still not sure what you have in mind.

Also, shadowed moon is not a lunar eclipse.

Saturday's Lunar Eclipse Will Include 'Impossible' Sight



For most places in the United States and Canada, there will be a chance to observe an unusual effect, one that celestial geometry seems to dictate can't happen. The little-used name for this effect is a "selenelion" (or "selenehelion") and occurs when both the sun and the eclipsed moon can be seen at the same time.

 

[Lost4words]

Ladies and gentleman this thread is not about the movement of the earth, the Sun, Moon and the stars: it is simply about the earth being flat or not period, nothing else.

That being said I have kindly posed a challenge for those following this thread to examine the passages I cited in post #62 of this thread which show that the earth is not circular nor a globe of any shape or kind. Does anyone have scripture which says otherwise?

INTERPRETATION

 

[JacksBratt]

I think you’re misunderstanding me, I don’t have that over the top stereotype, I was laughing at the over the top stereotype, and saying that if the stereotype was really that bad then I would go to a convention just for the entertainment factor.

I just think one side is wrong and they are buying into bad arguments that’s all.

Gotcha....

 

[JacksBratt]

Jack, my old friend. You ALWAYS say the same old stuff! You keep shooting yourself down on these threads about flat earth. Its so funny my friend. Plus, you actually believe the earth is flat! You dismiss all the scientific evidence we have got. Everything that has been taught to millions of people.

It would be very beneficial to our banter if you posted even one item of this "evidence" which you seem to rely on so dearly but never post..

You just laugh... However, If I'm entertaining to you.. at least it is an accomplishment on my part.

 

[Lost4words]

Saturday's Lunar Eclipse Will Include 'Impossible' Sight



For most places in the United States and Canada, there will be a chance to observe an unusual effect, one that celestial geometry seems to dictate can't happen. The little-used name for this effect is a "selenelion" (or "selenehelion") and occurs when both the sun and the eclipsed moon can be seen at the same time.

And indeed, during a lunar eclipse, the sun and moon are exactly 180 degrees apart in the sky. In a perfect alignment like this (called a "syzygy"), such an observation would seem impossible. But thanks to Earth's atmosphere, the images of both the sun and moon are apparently lifted above the horizon by atmospheric refraction. This allows people on Earth to see the sun for several extra minutes before it actually has risen and the moon for several extra minutes after it has actually set.

Source: Total Lunar Eclipse On Wednesday Will Be a Rare 'Selenelion'

 

[trophy33]

Saturday's Lunar Eclipse Will Include 'Impossible' Sight



For most places in the United States and Canada, there will be a chance to observe an unusual effect, one that celestial geometry seems to dictate can't happen. The little-used name for this effect is a "selenelion" (or "selenehelion") and occurs when both the sun and the eclipsed moon can be seen at the same time.

The article does not have any photos, sadly...
I have never experienced the eclipsed moon together with sun in the sky, so I would like to see how it looks like.

 

[JacksBratt]

And indeed, during a lunar eclipse, the sun and moon are exactly 180 degrees apart in the sky. In a perfect alignment like this (called a "syzygy"), such an observation would seem impossible. But thanks to Earth's atmosphere, the images of both the sun and moon are apparently lifted above the horizon by atmospheric refraction. This allows people on Earth to see the sun for several extra minutes before it actually has risen and the moon for several extra minutes after it has actually set.

Source: Total Lunar Eclipse On Wednesday Will Be a Rare 'Selenelion'

Again, as I suggested, this would mean that from time to time the sun would be observed to rise before it's scheduled time.. If this is your argument, maybe you can show proof that the sun, which is supposed to rise at, say, 6:45, actually rose at 6:30.. which would be necessary to happen on occasion, in order to have the said effect...

Otherwise, the sun rises, on time and sets on time.... Oh.. unless it's a lunar eclipse.. then it rises early to dispel an impossibility.

Even the article that I posted states that this should be impossible...

 

[JacksBratt]

The article does not have any photos, sadly...
I have never experienced the eclipsed moon together with sun in the sky, so I would like to see how it looks like.

Ya.... I have not seen many Lunar eclipses either... never thought to bring a camera and never once have seen this event..

But, there it is, described in black and white and deemed "impossible" until you spin it with "refraction".

The word today boys and girls.... is "refraction".. use this to maintain that something that is impossible.. is not impossible.. That way...you don't have to figure out what is really going on.

 

[trophy33]

Ya.... I have not seen many Lunar eclipses either... never thought to bring a camera and never once have seen this event..

But, there it is, described in black and white and deemed "impossible" until you spin it with "refraction".

The word today boys and girls.... is "refraction".. use this to maintain that something that is impossible.. is not impossible.. That way...you don't have to figure out what is really going on.

I have seen both lunar and sun eclipses, but never in my life what the article is saying. Thats why some exceptional refraction seems to be the case.

And I could not found any such photo on google, so we do not even know what we are talking about...

 

[Strathos]

What is even harder to believe is that those most vocal in opposition to their view have the least evidence needed to prove them wrong.

It's easy to ignore evidence if you claim it's all part of a big conspiracy.

 

[Toro]

My interest is in the interface between science and religion. For me there is no differentiation, science is one of God's gifts and we need to use it wisely. I wanted to join in on a thread on this subject, but there are so many that I am starting my own.
To begin, there is no way in the reality of our physical observation of the earth it cannot be a sphere. Anyone who argues against that are ignorant. No disrespect there, we are all ignorant when we do not know about something.
God gave us the gift of science, and science is telling us that the earth is a sphere.
This argument must be shelved,, unless God encourages us to continue it.

Oh yeah?

Well if flat Earth is so unbelievable and foolish....


How is it that you can have a pizza with everything on it but.... the Earth... NOOOOOO.

Science even talks about the "Earths crust"...

The earth is flat... like a thin crust.

You unbelieving people!!

Now I'm hungry.

 

[Strathos]

It also seems like a very odd hill to choose to die on. To any flat earther: Say that it was proven to your satisfaction that the earth was round (of course this is impossible as you will deny any kind of proof no matter what, but just hypothetically), would you then conclude that your faith was false too? There are billions of Christians who know that the earth is round and understand that it doesn't have anything to do with the truth of Christianity.

 

[JacksBratt]

I have seen both lunar and sun eclipses, but never in my life what the article is saying. Thats why some exceptional refraction seems to be the case.

And I could not found any such photo on google, so we do not even know what we are talking about...

We do know what we are talking about. A lunar eclipse where the earths shadow is supposed to move across the moon.... which is impossible to observe when the light source..the sun... is fully visible in the sky... It breaks the laws of light...

But,,... "it's refraction so you can all go back to sleep".