Walk through if I have it wrong, Ezekiel 38-39

[Douggg]

You also don't say what precedes the G/M attack; the Day of the Lord's fiery wrath, that will enable the Christians to settle into all of the holy Land and live in peace and prosperity, undefended as per Ezekiel 38:11.

I did not say what precedes the Gog/Magog attack. But since you bring it up...

Ezekiel 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.
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So it is in the end times. The Jews brought out of the nations where they had been persecuted, back into the land of Israel.

They will be living with a sense of security. They will be prosperous.

Trump is supposed to introduce a peace plan for Israel, soon. That could be something that adds to their sense of security.

The seven years itself is not a peace plan, but the confirmation of the covenant for 7 years as required by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13. It will be a big speech from the temple mount, by the Antichrist, that the land of Israel is theirs forever, the promised land under the Mount Sinai covenant.

 

[Douggg]

How can I give you a walk through of events that dont exist in Ezekiel 38-39?

I am not asking you to explain what I believe reading the text.

I am asking for your walk through explanation of Ezekiel 38-39 of you think is going to happen. Just start in Ezekiel 38 then progress through the text explaining what is going to happen until the end of Ezekiel 39.

 

[shilohsfoal]

I am not asking you to explain what I believe reading the text.

I am asking for your walk through explanation of Ezekiel 38-39 of you think is going to happen. Just start in Ezekiel 38 then progress through the text explaining what is going to happen until the end of Ezekiel 39.

The war of Armeggedon and the coming of Christ is not in Ezekiel 38-39.
You cant teach something that is not there.

You have been,teaching that Gog will invade Israel before the war of Armeggedon.

Jesus teaches that the war of Armeggedon comes 1000 years before Gog invades Israel.

Why do you oppose the words of Jesus?

 

[Douggg]

That's a tall order, don't you think? That would be pretty tedious to have to do all of that. Why is it necessary to have to go to those lengths?

I am not asking for an essay, but for anyone who thinks I have wrong in my brief walk through in the opening post, then here's their opportunity to say what it should be.

Why not just keep things somewhat simple? For example, Ezekiel 39:4 yet again. God says what He is planning on doing----I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured. But if Ezekiel 39:17-20 have nothing to do with this, where else in Ezekiel 39 do we see anything about Gog and multitude being given to the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured?

"Fragmentation of Ezekiel 38-39" is similar to "taking out of context". Which is why I ask for a walk through explanation of Ezekiel 38:39.

 

[Douggg]

The war of Armeggedon and the coming of Christ is not in Ezekiel 38-39.
You cant teach something that is not there.

I am not asking you to agree with me - of what I think about Ezekiel 38-39. If you don't believe Armageddon is in Ezekiel 39, nor Jesus' Return - then don't include those in
your walk through explanation of Ezekiel 38-39.

 

[BABerean2]

Do you use the same logic for Revelation 19 as well, since it too depicts an ancient war scene, yet involves the 2nd coming? It mentions horses in Revelation 19. Do you think they are all going to be on horseback then, when Jesus and his armies confront the beast and it's armies? Of course you don't. And if those horses don't have to be literal horses, which we both agree they are not, why do you think the weapons in Ezekiel 39 have to actually be literal ancient weapons then?

Where should we draw the line between symbology and literalism?

Did soldiers still ride horses into battle during WWI, even though they did not use bows and arrows?

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[Douggg]

Where should we draw the line between symbology and literalism?

Did soldiers still ride horses into battle during WWI, even though they did not use bows and arrows?

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You are straining at a gnat, so to speak. The terms used in Ezekiel 38-39 are indicating weapons of war, not necessarily those specific articles.

 

[shilohsfoal]

I am not asking you to agree with me - of what I think about Ezekiel 38-39. If you don't believe Armageddon is in Ezekiel 39, nor Jesus' Return - then don't include those in
your walk through explanation of Ezekiel 38-39.

Ezekiel 38-39 is about the invasion of Israrl by Gog.Thats all it is.

No Armeggedon and no coming of Jesus.

 

[Douggg]

Ezekiel 38-39 is about the invasion of Israrl by Gog.Thats all it is.

No Armeggedon and no coming of Jesus.

That's not a walk through explanation. But I made another thread for you -

Psalms 110 + Psalms 2 + Ezekiel 39:17-29 = Jesus's Return.

 

[shilohsfoal]

That's not a walk through explanation. But I made another thread for you -

Psalms 110 + Psalms 2 + Ezekiel 39:17-29 = Jesus's Return.

Ezekiel didnt speak in riddles.
But you teach the opposite of Christ.

 

[Douggg]

Ezekiel didnt speak in riddles.
But you teach the opposite of Christ.

You disagree with my other thread too? Really? Did you read it?

 

[shilohsfoal]

You disagree with my other thread too? Really? Did you read it?

You never answerd my question.
Jesus teaches the war of Armeggedon is 1000 years before Gog invades Israel .
You teach God invades Israel before the war of Armeggedon.

Why do you teach the opposite of Jesus?What do you have against his order?

 

[Douggg]

Why do you teach the opposite of Jesus?What do you have against his order?

I am not teaching against what Jesus said. What I am teaching disagrees with your understanding of what Jesus said in Revelation 20:8-9.

Jesus teaches the war of Armeggedon is 1000 years before Gog invades Israel .
You teach God invades Israel before the war of Armeggedon.

Your understanding of Revelation 20:8-9 is wrong. But that is not what this thread is about.

You give your walk through explanation of Ezekiel 38-39, fitting it to your understanding of Revelation 20:8-9.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Okay, then please give me a walk through explanation of what took place in the Ezekiel 38-39 text.

Really, no one can clearly understand Ezekiel that is why there are so many interpretations. There are hints though that this for sure is not future and already fulfilled. For example , something simple like, the condition of Israel today compared to how scripture describes her in these passages. This is not the Israel of today, without walls.

Ezekiel 38
10 ‘Thus says the Lord God: “On that day it shall come to pass that thoughts will arise in your mind, and you will make an evil plan: 11 You will say, ‘I will go up against a land of un-walled villages; I will go to a peaceful people, who dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates’— 12 to take plunder and to take booty, to stretch out your hand against the waste places that are again inhabited, and against a people gathered from the nations, who have acquired livestock and goods, who dwell in the midst of the land.

 

[Douggg]

Really, no one can clearly understand Ezekiel that is why there are so many interpretations. There are hints though that this for sure is not future and already fulfilled. For example , something simple like, the condition of Israel today compared to how scripture describes her in these passages. This is not the Israel of today, without walls.

Maria, if the events have already happened, a person should be able to walk right through Ezekiel 38-39 and say this happened and this happened and point to the historic events.

If it can't be done, then the events haven't happened yet.
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Although the country does have a security wall between them and Palestinians, the cities themselves are without walls in Israel. A person can freely drive from city to city. They have security, and have a daily routine that they go shopping, kids go to school, tourists line the shops, farming, trade and export, etc.

 

[BABerean2]

That's not a walk through explanation. But I made another thread for you -

Psalms 110 + Psalms 2 + Ezekiel 39:17-29 = Jesus's Return.

Step #1, You ask us what we think, and then tell us that we are wrong.

Step #2, Then you give us your viewpoint.

Thanks.

Start with step 2 next time.

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[Douggg]

Step #1, You ask us what we think, and then tell us that we are wrong.

Step #2, Then you give us your viewpoint.

Thanks.

Start with step 2 next time.

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I gave my viewpoint in the opening post of this thread of my walk through of Ezekiel 38-39.

Nothing in my other thread Psalms 110 + Psalms 2 + Ezekiel 39:17-29 = Jesus's Return. alters that viewpoint. But do you also disagree with my other thread?

I made two threads because these threads can get bogged down, otherwise.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

HI I think you need to back up and include Isaiah 36 and 37 in this same discussion. If you look at 36 we see God talking to the mountains of Israel and declaring many future things. In this passage God makes clear this is Israel the nation and that they are going to be coming back from all the nations where they have been scattered. God says they profaned His name everywhere they were scattered and promises that they will be given a new spirit and He will remove the reproach Israel has had among the nations and also Israel will no longer bereave anyone nor be bereaved themselves. In that day they will know that I am the LORD. The nations will know that I am the LORD too. This reproach is not lifted until the 2nd coming and this is when no more bereavement will take place and all the nations will know that Jesus is the LORD. This people who profaned the name of the LORD everywhere they have been have been Torah keeping Jews and the name they profaned is that of Jesus. In ZEch 14 when the LORD is king over all the earth it is a day when Jerusalem is being overrun and women ravished and all. The LORD comes with His saints and His feet touch the mount of Olives and it splits in two; a new river and valley are formed. In that day they will say the LORD is one and it is Jesus who has trampled the winepress of the day of vengeance. This declaration the LORD is one is like Joseph being revealed to His brothers. Jesus is revealed to Israel. See Isaiah 61 63 Rev 14 19 also related to the day this is accomplished.

 

[Douggg]

HI I think you need to back up and include Isaiah 36 and 37 in this same discussion. If you look at 36 we see God talking to the mountains of Israel and declaring many future things. In this passage God makes clear this is Israel the nation and that they are going to be coming back from all the nations where they have been scattered. God says they profaned His name everywhere they were scattered and promises that they will be given a new spirit and He will remove the reproach Israel has had among the nations and also Israel will no longer bereave anyone nor be bereaved themselves. In that day they will know that I am the LORD. The nations will know that I am the LORD too. This reproach is not lifted until the 2nd coming and this is when no more bereavement will take place and all the nations will know that Jesus is the LORD. This people who profaned the name of the LORD everywhere they have been have been Torah keeping Jews and the name they profaned is that of Jesus. In ZEch 14 when the LORD is king over all the earth it is a day when Jerusalem is being overrun and women ravished and all. The LORD comes with His saints and His feet touch the mount of Olives and it splits in two; a new river and valley are formed. In that day they will say the LORD is one and it is Jesus who has trampled the winepress of the day of vengeance. This declaration the LORD is one is like Joseph being revealed to His brothers. Jesus is revealed to Israel. See Isaiah 61 63 Rev 14 19 also related to the day this is accomplished.

Hi Brian, many good points. Why don't you start a new thread on Isaiah 36 and 37. And if you want, refer back to the appropriate verses in Ezekiel 38-39. These threads can get so complex if we try to put the entire end times picture into each of them... that the threads start to get bogged down.

 

[DavidPT]

That's not a walk through explanation. But I made another thread for you -

Psalms 110 + Psalms 2 + Ezekiel 39:17-29 = Jesus's Return.

I just looked at your other thread. Nothing I disagree with in the OP of that thread. I think where we are not on the same page is this. I fully agree Ezekiel 39:17-29 = Jesus' Return. Except I think Ezekiel 39:17-20 is meaning what is to happen to Gog and his multitude, but that you don't. You apparently think it's connected to an entirely different event altogether. I don't.