In a sense both. Perhaps for clarity of position does the modern day Jew worship the same God as the OT Jew?Was the question about Judaism as it was prior to the coming of Christ?? I don't believe so.
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In a sense both. Perhaps for clarity of position does the modern day Jew worship the same God as the OT Jew?Was the question about Judaism as it was prior to the coming of Christ?? I don't believe so.
Well, that is a question. However, the question asked by the title of this thread and also by the poll was in the present tense.In a sense both. Perhaps for clarity of position does the modern day Jew worship the same God as the OT Jew?
Would it be safe to say then that most heretical beliefs still worship the true God even if done so in error? When is something heretical and when is something just a different region all together?Re the OP:
Very few heresies deal with the question of who is the true God.
Of course there is only one God and there is no such thing as a Jewish God, Muslim God or Christian God, there is only God and he is who he is and nothing we say will change that. If we are to say Jews do not worship the same referent as Christians then we need to say they worship a false god not a different god. Would you agree that Jews worship a false god?Well, that is a question. However, the question asked by the title of this thread and also by the poll was in the present tense.
It concerned Judaism (and Islam and Christianity) as they are now.
So the answer is that only Christianity believes in a God who is triune, who incarnated as Jesus of Nazareth. The others believe in a god who is similar, or we may say that they share with Christianity a certain common background, but not that they all worship "the same God."
Would it be safe to say then that most heretical beliefs still worship the true God even if done so in error?
When is something heretical and when is something just a different region all together?
Today, the surviving Nestorians and the Orthodox churches of the East have reconciled and it is agreed that the charge of heresy was over a misunderstanding. That's how I understand the matter, so beyond that you might need to consult just the right theologian.Nestorius beloved Christ had two natures and was ladled a heretic for this. Today it's widely accepted and although not identical to what Nestorius was saying it was closer that monophysitism such as what his rival Cyril believed. Did both Cyril and Nestorius worship the same God?
They're not trying to destroy us, they're very satisfied with making us foolish and wasting our time.
To the OT men of God, Christ was completely hidden. Yet it cannot be denied they worshiped the same God as we do.
There are many sects of Christianity, some at opposite ends and call each other heretical. Do all worship the same God or do some worship a false god? Can we say all Nicene Christians worship the same God? Can we say all Christians worship the same God? Who gets to decide?
Does this work outside of Christianity? Do Jews, for example, worship the same God as Christian do, despite their errant views of God? If not, surely at one time they did, so, at what time did this change?
How about Muslims? do they worship the same God despite their errant views of God and that Islam is insufficient for salvation?
This, of course, can go further. All religions will have a creator deity and so when someone says I worship the creator this could be many different answers in different religions and although their understanding may be errant and insufficient for salvation is it the same referent?
At which point is an understanding of God so different that it can no longer be said to be the same referent as the God of Christianity? To be clear I'm not advocating pluralism as salvation remains through Christ alone. What I am talking about is if worship from other religions can be said to be directed to the same referent of the Christian worship to God even if salvation is incompatible with it?
Here's that post again.-Was the question about Judaism as it was prior to the coming of Christ?? I don't believe so.
What do you mean by worship?I cannot answer your question directly, because I take a different approach to it. That approach is not so much "who worships the same god", but "who worships God". I believe the Orthodox Church worships God and worships God in accordance with the Christian faith. All of those other forms of worship I leave to the judgement of God. It's not to me to judge.
There are many sects of Christianity, some at opposite ends and call each other heretical. Do all worship the same God or do some worship a false god? Can we say all Nicene Christians worship the same God? Can we say all Christians worship the same God? Who gets to decide?
Does this work outside of Christianity? Do Jews, for example, worship the same God as Christian do, despite their errant views of God? If not, surely at one time they did, so, at what time did this change?
How about Muslims? do they worship the same God despite their errant views of God and that Islam is insufficient for salvation?
This, of course, can go further. All religions will have a creator deity and so when someone says I worship the creator this could be many different answers in different religions and although their understanding may be errant and insufficient for salvation is it the same referent?
At which point is an understanding of God so different that it can no longer be said to be the same referent as the God of Christianity? To be clear I'm not advocating pluralism as salvation remains through Christ alone. What I am talking about is if worship from other religions can be said to be directed to the same referent of the Christian worship to God even if salvation is incompatible with it?
I would assume they are worshipping God some of the time, demons other times. But it's hard to say how often they're really worshipping God. Because look at how popular Christianity is. The shame God felt for those that rejected him despite fulfilling the prophecies was bad, and as time passed and it became more obvious Jesus was the messiah, it only would've made it worse. God makes it very clear that it's important to worship Jesus. The OT tells of how badly the people need the messiah, and there Jesus came with a great message, a perfect continuation to the Bible's story.I'm not so sure if i follow you... is your position that outside of Christianity the named God, however similar or close in relation to a Christian perspective, is worshiping a referent of a demon and not God at all? For example, do Jews worship a demon or various demons?
Jesus is the only way to the Father. This means that nobody can come to him and know except through Jesus, by walking in the footsteps of Jesus meaning walking as he walked. Many Christians do indeed belong to the Father but do not worship him in Spirit and in Truth. They try to worship him through their various views and religious preferences but the bottom line is, nobody can see or know the Father unless they are walking as Christ walked. That is when the Father is revealed.There are many sects of Christianity, some at opposite ends and call each other heretical. Do all worship the same God or do some worship a false god? Can we say all Nicene Christians worship the same God? Can we say all Christians worship the same God? Who gets to decide?
Does this work outside of Christianity? Do Jews, for example, worship the same God as Christian do, despite their errant views of God? If not, surely at one time they did, so, at what time did this change?
How about Muslims? do they worship the same God despite their errant views of God and that Islam is insufficient for salvation?
This, of course, can go further. All religions will have a creator deity and so when someone says I worship the creator this could be many different answers in different religions and although their understanding may be errant and insufficient for salvation is it the same referent?
At which point is an understanding of God so different that it can no longer be said to be the same referent as the God of Christianity? To be clear I'm not advocating pluralism as salvation remains through Christ alone. What I am talking about is if worship from other religions can be said to be directed to the same referent of the Christian worship to God even if salvation is incompatible with it?
There are many sects of Christianity, some at opposite ends and call each other heretical. Do all worship the same God or do some worship a false god? Can we say all Nicene Christians worship the same God? Can we say all Christians worship the same God? Who gets to decide?
Does this work outside of Christianity? Do Jews, for example, worship the same God as Christian do, despite their errant views of God? If not, surely at one time they did, so, at what time did this change?
How about Muslims? do they worship the same God despite their errant views of God and that Islam is insufficient for salvation?
This, of course, can go further. All religions will have a creator deity and so when someone says I worship the creator this could be many different answers in different religions and although their understanding may be errant and insufficient for salvation is it the same referent?
At which point is an understanding of God so different that it can no longer be said to be the same referent as the God of Christianity? To be clear I'm not advocating pluralism as salvation remains through Christ alone. What I am talking about is if worship from other religions can be said to be directed to the same referent of the Christian worship to God even if salvation is incompatible with it?