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Featured Who worships the same God?

Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by DamianWarS, Mar 16, 2019.

  1. more narrow

    7 vote(s)
    20.6%
  2. Nicene Christians worship the same God

    11 vote(s)
    32.4%
  3. all Christians worship the same God

    4 vote(s)
    11.8%
  4. Jews and Christians worship the same God

    1 vote(s)
    2.9%
  5. Jews, Muslims and Christians worship the same God

    2 vote(s)
    5.9%
  6. all Abrahamic religions worship the same God

    3 vote(s)
    8.8%
  7. all monotheistic religions worship the same God

    1 vote(s)
    2.9%
  8. All religions ultimately ascribe worship to the same referent of God

    3 vote(s)
    8.8%
  9. more broad

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. I don't know

    2 vote(s)
    5.9%
  1. DamianWarS

    DamianWarS Follower of Isa Al Masih Supporter

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    In a sense both. Perhaps for clarity of position does the modern day Jew worship the same God as the OT Jew?
     
  2. TuxAme

    TuxAme Quis ut Deus? Supporter

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    Jews and Christians worship the same God, as do Muslims. Muslims accept unapproved (false) revelation, however, while Jews today worship Him incompletely, as they don't accept God's full revelation. Any faith which doesn't worship the "God of Abraham" does not worship Him.
     
  3. Albion

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    Well, that is a question. However, the question asked by the title of this thread and also by the poll was in the present tense.

    It concerned Judaism (and Islam and Christianity) as they are now.

    So the answer is that only Christianity believes in a God who is triune, who incarnated as Jesus of Nazareth. The others believe in a god who is similar, or we may say that they share with Christianity a certain common background, but not that they all worship "the same God."
     
  4. DamianWarS

    DamianWarS Follower of Isa Al Masih Supporter

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    Would it be safe to say then that most heretical beliefs still worship the true God even if done so in error? When is something heretical and when is something just a different region all together?

    Nestorius beloved Christ had two natures and was ladled a heretic for this. Today it's widely accepted and although not identical to what Nestorius was saying it was closer that monophysitism such as what his rival Cyril believed. Did both Cyril and Nestorius worship the same God?
     
  5. RaymondG

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    There are a few to worship the true and living God. Who They are, cannot be determined by the denomination or religion they subscribe to on the out side.
     
  6. DamianWarS

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    Of course there is only one God and there is no such thing as a Jewish God, Muslim God or Christian God, there is only God and he is who he is and nothing we say will change that. If we are to say Jews do not worship the same referent as Christians then we need to say they worship a false god not a different god. Would you agree that Jews worship a false god?
     
  7. Daniel9v9

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    Basically, whoever worships Christ worships God in truth. Whoever don’t believe in Christ rejects God. Islam and Judaism both explicitly deny Christ as God and can therefore not be correctly be said to worship the same God as Christians.
     
  8. Albion

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    Yes.

    A heresy, meaning "to walk apart," is to profess a seriously wrong doctrinal POV. Obviously, what they might be varies with the denomination and it is impossible to say how many people have been labelled as heretics and for which offenses in history, but although denying the true nature of God is heretical, there are plenty of other beliefs that are heretical. It is also true that there are many disagreements that Christians quarrel over all the time that do not rise to the level of a heresy.

    Today, the surviving Nestorians and the Orthodox churches of the East have reconciled and it is agreed that the charge of heresy was over a misunderstanding. That's how I understand the matter, so beyond that you might need to consult just the right theologian. ;)
     
  9. Jonaitis

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    Judaism and Islam are almost practically universalists, if you get down to it. Many Jews don't even believe in (or even the necessity of) an afterlife, if at all the necessity of the concept of God as central to their lives. Rabbinical Judaism has evolved to completely apostatize what "classical" Judaism would have held to dogmatically in the first century (and before).

    Christianity is very distinct from other monotheistic faiths. Jesus is the determining factor, in which God is exclusive to those in Christ, something rejected by Islam and Judaism.
     
  10. AllDayFaith

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    I agree with you on this one, demons will also torment and threaten you to have you living in fear.
     
  11. nonaeroterraqueous

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    It can be denied, just as much as it can be denied that New Testament Christians worship the same God. It is all very easy to claim that everyone believes in God until the Son of God appears. Some accepted him and some rejected him, and it was, if nothing else, the test of which Jew followed after the true God, and which followed after a god of his own making.

    He who accepts the Son of God accepts the Father. Ergo, he who accepts Jesus accepts the true God. Everyone else accepts something else.

    It is all very easy, now, to say we believe in Christ, but when he returns, I am sure that some of us, even here on this forum, will not recognize him. The second coming will divide the sheep from the goats just as the first coming did.

    Hence, I have to argue the "more narrow" vote, because not all who claim to be the Lord's are really his.
     
  12. HTacianas

    HTacianas Well-Known Member

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    I cannot answer your question directly, because I take a different approach to it. That approach is not so much "who worships the same god", but "who worships God". I believe the Orthodox Church worships God and worships God in accordance with the Christian faith. All of those other forms of worship I leave to the judgement of God. It's not to me to judge.

    "We know where the Church is but we cannot be sure where it is not" - Met. Kallistos Ware
     
  13. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    I answered all Christians worship the same God. Because a Christian is one who follows Christ, if they follow Christ they both worship God and Follow his commandments.
     
  14. Francis Drake

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    Here's that post again.-
    "To the OT men of God, Christ was completely hidden. Yet it cannot be denied they worshiped the same God as we do."

    As you see, it says "the OT men of God".
    That means they were OT.
    That means prior to the coming of Christ.

    Of course, the same is mostly true today for believing Jews.

    Just as Peter was utterly shocked to find a Gentile who worshiped and was accepted by the creator God (with no knowledge of what Jesus did), I suspect the reverse is true today. ie. Gentile Christians are shocked that there are Jews who worship the creator God (with no knowledge of what Jesus did),
     
  15. Francis Drake

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    What do you mean by worship?
     
  16. Tropical Wilds

    Tropical Wilds Lord, beer me strength...

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    Spend less time worrying about how others follow God and more time worrying about how you follow God.
     
  17. StrivingFollower

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    I would assume they are worshipping God some of the time, demons other times. But it's hard to say how often they're really worshipping God. Because look at how popular Christianity is. The shame God felt for those that rejected him despite fulfilling the prophecies was bad, and as time passed and it became more obvious Jesus was the messiah, it only would've made it worse. God makes it very clear that it's important to worship Jesus. The OT tells of how badly the people need the messiah, and there Jesus came with a great message, a perfect continuation to the Bible's story.

    I would think that the cornerstone is needed. But I can't say for sure.. some Jews will feel tied to their religion because they grew up with it, and maybe they can have many Godly qualities despite their faith's faults. Many Christians are imperfect as well, and God probably helps them. It's really strange. God said Jesus is the only way to Heaven. But perhaps if we indirectly followed Jesus.. by trying to be very faithful to the fine parts of his way as a Jew.. I guess he'd see it as righteousness. Because Jesus is called The Word, right?

    But they'd have to seek enough repentance and humility, and make a great effort to see the world as God sees the world. Otherwise God would feel the need to sway them away from that Judaism.

    Edit: By the way, I'm just speculating here. I ponder like this because human ignorance can be so blinding and we're such a victim to the trends that happen in our families or communities. Many times God says something in the Bible that sounds absolute, but when you analyze it you realize it's an ideal to aim for, but not one that's easy to accomplish. At one point in time, God only tried to heavily educate spiritually a tiny Jewish community in the world because the ignorance in the world was so thick.
     
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  18. HTacianas

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    Worship is participating in the liturgy. It is a worship service once described by an outsider as "the place where God dwells among men".
     
  19. Calvin_1985

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    Jesus is the only way to the Father. This means that nobody can come to him and know except through Jesus, by walking in the footsteps of Jesus meaning walking as he walked. Many Christians do indeed belong to the Father but do not worship him in Spirit and in Truth. They try to worship him through their various views and religious preferences but the bottom line is, nobody can see or know the Father unless they are walking as Christ walked. That is when the Father is revealed.
     
  20. devin553344

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    Some 12 steppers worship a rock as their god, so I guess how God is defined is important. I believe in the Nicene God.
     
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