WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

[LoveGodsWord]

If the lunar calendar is 11 days shorter it also a week shorter.

It does not change the weekly cycle which is continuous it only changes the number of days in a year

 

[ace of hearts]

Because you glibly claimed:

"I don't keep any of the written law because I am under the perfect law, the law of Christ."

That is the result of your statement.You must be happily committing all the sins I mentioned and more.And if you claim you are not,then you are observing these laws even if you claim you don't.

Why do law promoters say this especially without evidence. I had a neighbor who would tell you where to take your religion and didn't do any of the above in the 10-15 years I knew him. I just can't follow your line o reasoning by personal experience.

It doesn't and was not meant to.It should not have been separated from the questions asked:

"Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be."(Romans 8:7)

"Which law is he referring to here?Are you carnal since you "don't keep any of the written law" ?"

You should answer the questions as this will illuminate your error about the term law as used in the writings of the apostles.

Agreed, you should. Why don't understand the law is about regulating the body of flesh. That is why the law is a failure. It doesn't change the heart. That's why one must be born again.

Where do you see me saying anything of the sort?Show me one statement by me which says anything like what you claim.

And if this is so it means they are obeying the commands which pertain to such behaviour.They are observing the law to not take the Lord's name in vain and the law to not kill.

No sir it doesn't.

Are you saying the wicked are obeying the laws of God and the righteous are not?Are you sure you understand what you are saying?But if the righteous are so,isn't because they are not identified by the law as sinners?ie. They do not kill,blaspheme etc?

I just can't grab your line of reasoning.

 

[ace of hearts]

Can you answer a question asking for a scripture when there is no scripture to answer the question being asked?

Maybe that's why you lack responses to the OP you complain about all the time.

 

[ace of hearts]

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?

No where in God's Word do you find the Christian obligated to keep the law (famous 10).

God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word of God).

Yes we do!

 

[ace of hearts]

It does not change the weekly cycle which is continuous it only changes the number of days in a year

I've never said days are missing in a period of 7 days we call a week. I've said the calendars are different.

 

[BobRyan]

I've never said days are missing in a period of 7 days we call a week. I've said the calendars are different.

Calendars "are different" is not the same as "week-days changed or there were no 7 day weeks" or "There was a 3 day week" ... I think we all know that.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No where in God's Word do you find the Christian obligated to keep the law (famous 10).Yes we do!

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. God's WORd does not teach lawlessness.

 

[Kermos]

I can understand why you like to snip out my posts

I quote scripture that refutes your words and your imaginations that you try to impose on scripture.

The "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" in this thread is God's Word. The Word of God stands! Your words of confusion are less than chaff. God's Word says:

"And in the same way [He took] the cup after they had eaten, saying, 'This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.'"
(Luke 22:20)

"When He said, 'A new [covenant],' He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear."
(Hebrews 8:13)

 

[Kermos]

Less creative writing... more Bible please.

You seem to be blind. Here are the passages from the Bible previously quoted that refute your words:

"And in the same way [He took] the cup after they had eaten, saying, 'This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.'"
(Luke 22:20)

"When He said, 'A new [covenant],' He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear."
(Hebrews 8:13)

This "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" in this thread is God's Word. The Word of God stands! Your words of confusion are less than chaff. The Lord Jesus instituted the New Coventant/New Testatment, and the words of Jesus stand forever!

 

[Kermos]

Hello Kermos,

Your only repeating yourself here without addressing the post and the scriptures in them
...snip...
Your claim is that I am saying that God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH is not written into LEVITICUS 23 correct?

You try to subtract the 7th day sabbath out of Leviticus 23 through your words expressing your imaginations. Your words are wrong. Your words are not God's Word. Here is God's Word:

1 YHVH spoke again to Moses, saying,
2 "Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, 'YHVH'S appointed times which you shall proclaim as holy convocations - My appointed times are these:
3 'For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation. You shall not do any work; it is a sabbat
h to YHVH in all your dwellings.
4 'These are the appointed times of YHVH, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at the times appointed for them.
(Leviticus 23:1-4)

Thus, Hosea 2:11 applies to "seventh day there is a sabbath" because Hosea 2:11 states:

"I will also put an end to all her gaiety, Her feasts, her new moons, her sabbaths and all her festal assemblies."

God's Word states "her sabbaths" in Hosea 2:11, then the word "and" which is a conjunction leading to "all her festal assemblies"!

The Word of God stands. Your words are nothing. God's Word is true!

 

[Kermos]

You however fail to understand what, "things which are written about Me"

You try to impose your imaginations on the very words of Jesus Christ. It sounds like you are saying that the 10 commandments were not written about Him! You live in a dangerous place.

Disposing of your words of confusion, this "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" in this thread is God's Word. The Word of God stands! The Lord Jesus instituted the New Coventant/New Testatment, and the words of Jesus stand forever!

 

[Kermos]

"If just one jot of the law falls, then the whole law itself will also fall."

The law does not fail because Jesus satisfies the law - the whole law - the law including the 10 commandments. This is because Jesus said:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17)

You deceptively attempt to limit when Jesus said "the Law". You try to make Him say "the ceremonial Law", but He did not say that, no, Jesus said "the Law"; furthermore, He applied no limit. Your words are nothing. The Lord Jesus Christ's words are crucial.

Disposing of your words of confusion, this "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" in this thread is God's Word. The Word of God stands! The Lord Jesus instituted the New Coventant/New Testatment, and the words of Jesus stand forever!

 

[BobRyan]

Your words indicate that you are confused because this is addressed in this post.

Your words try to impose a different meaning on the words of Jesus because in your imaginations you try to split up the Law.

Sadly for that bit of speculation - Paul refutes your point.

"circumcision does not matter - what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

A distinction in LAW that you wildly perhaps rashly claim cannot exist.

A point the "Westminster Confession of Faith" and the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and almost all Bible scholars such as C.H. Spurgeon and many others freely admit. So it is not "just Paul"

The old testament is obsolete by the words of Jesus Christ

Less creative writing... more Bible please.

Mark 7:
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

"When He said, 'A new [covenant],' He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear." (Hebrews 8:13)

The old testament is obsolete by the words of Jesus Christ with "the new covenant

Hint: the New Testament in our use is "scripture" 27 books of the Bible and Old Testament is "scripture" - 39 books of the Bible.

My Bible has 66 books... and yours??

"ALL Scripture given by inspiration from God AND to be used for doctrine" 2 Tim 3:16

More Bible - less creative writing.

You seem to be blind.

On the contrary - we can all see in the example above - the Bible texts you are ignoring in your responses. Do you find them "inconvenient"??


"And in the same way [He took] the cup after they had eaten, saying, 'This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.'"
(Luke 22:20)

Is about ratifying the new covenant already identified by Jeremiah in Jer 31:31-33 just as it would also be affirmed by Paul in Hebrews 8:6-11

Gal 1:6-9 -- only ONE Gospel
Gal 3:8 -- THAT Gospel was "preached to Abraham"
And that Gospel is the NEW Covenant.

Were we "simply not supposed to notice"???

The Word of God stands.

 

[BobRyan]

You try to subtract the 7th day sabbath out of Leviticus 23

On the contrary the weekly Sabbath in Lev 23:2-3 is a "day of holy convocation" a day of "solemn assembly" but it is not one of the annual Sabbaths. And it is the only one "made for mankind" Mark 2:27 - the only one that is in the TEN Commandments where "the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2 is the 5th commandment.

A Bible detail freely admitted to by BOTH sides of the classic Sunday vs Bible-Sabbath debate.

Obviously.

It just does not "get" any easier than that.

 

[ace of hearts]

Calendars "are different" is not the same as "week-days changed or there were no 7 day weeks" or "There was a 3 day week" ... I think we all know that.

Depends on what calendar you go by what the days of the week are.

 

[ace of hearts]

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. God's WORd does not teach lawlessness.

I dan't relate anything in your post to what I said in your quote of me. I don't see anything from the NT that requires obligation to the famous 10 in your Scripture references. I do find fear mongering.

 

[ace of hearts]

Sadly for that bit of speculation - Paul refutes your point.

"circumcision does not matter - what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

A distinction in LAW that you wildly perhaps rashly claim cannot exist.

A point the "Westminster Confession of Faith" and the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and almost all Bible scholars such as C.H. Spurgeon and many others freely admit. So it is not "just Paul"



Less creative writing... more Bible please.

Mark 7:
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”



Hint: the New Testament in our use is "scripture" 27 books of the Bible and Old Testament is "scripture" - 39 books of the Bible.

My Bible has 66 books... and yours??

"ALL Scripture given by inspiration from God AND to be used for doctrine" 2 Tim 3:16

More Bible - less creative writing.



On the contrary - we can all see in the example above - the Bible texts you are ignoring in your responses. Do you find them "inconvenient"??


"And in the same way [He took] the cup after they had eaten, saying, 'This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.'"
(Luke 22:20)

Is about ratifying the new covenant already identified by Jeremiah in Jer 31:31-33 just as it would also be affirmed by Paul in Hebrews 8:6-11

Were we "simply not supposed to notice"???

The Word of God stands.

If you don't believe the words of the Bible it doesn't matter what it contains. You're consistently asking and requiring disbelief of its contents.

 

[ace of hearts]

On the contrary the weekly Sabbath in Lev 23:2-3 is a "day of holy convocation" a day of "solemn assembly" but it is not one of the annual Sabbaths. And it is the only one "made for mankind" Mark 2:27 - the only one that is in the TEN Commandments where "the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2 is the 5th commandment.

A Bible detail freely admitted to by BOTH sides of the classic Sunday vs Bible-Sabbath debate.

Obviously.

It just does not "get" any easier than that.

Does Moses speak truth?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I quote scripture that refutes your words and your imaginations that you try to impose on scripture.

Well that is no true brother .

Every one of your posts have been responded to section by section and scripture by scripture showing the COTNEXT you leave out of your interpretation of the scriptures. Your response is to ignore these posts and the scriptures in them that disagree with you. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear. Where is the scriptures that says God's 4th commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

The "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" in this thread is God's Word. The Word of God stands!

Sooo how do any one of these scriptures you have posted show that God's 4th commandments of the 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? Yep they do not. The NEW COVENANT is not like the OLD COVENANT. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT was how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to? You mix up your SHADOW laws in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) in the NEW COVENANT that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4.

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You try to subtract the 7th day sabbath out of Leviticus 23 through your words expressing your imaginations. Your words are wrong. Your words are not God's Word. Here is God's Word:

1 YHVH spoke again to Moses, saying,
2 "Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, 'YHVH'S appointed times which you shall proclaim as holy convocations - My appointed times are these:
3 'For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation. You shall not do any work; it is a sabbat
h to YHVH in all your dwellings.
4 'These are the appointed times of YHVH, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at the times appointed for them.
(Leviticus 23:1-4)

Thus, Hosea 2:11 applies to "seventh day there is a sabbath" because Hosea 2:11 states:

"I will also put an end to all her gaiety, Her feasts, her new moons, her sabbaths and all her festal assemblies."

God's Word states "her sabbaths" in Hosea 2:11, then the word "and" which is a conjunction leading to "all her festal assemblies"!

The Word of God stands. Your words are nothing. God's Word is true!

Hello Kermos,

Your only repeating yourself here without addressing the post and the scriptures in them that disagree with you and your interpretation of God's WORD. Your words and accusations are not God's WORD they are only your words arguing against God's. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it ROMANS 3:4.

Let's examine your claims again and see if there is any truth in them. Your claim is that I am saying that God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH is not written into LEVITICUS 23 correct?

Now please post me a link where I have ever posted that LEVITICUS 23 does not include God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH when I have already posted on LEVITICUS 23:1-3 specifically discussing God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH in LEVITICUS 23?

Now if you cannot post any links showing that I have stated anywhere that God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH is not in LEVITICUS 23 then why do you pretend that I have when I have directly posted on this subject in post # 684 linked where I specifically discuss God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH in LEVITICUS 23?

Your false claims are proven to be so as shown when discussing LEVITICUS 23 in post # 684 linked.

This is where your argument falls to pieced. As proven above I have never made any claims that God's SABBATH is not in LEVITICUS 23 and stated they were a part of the HOLY CONVOCATIONS (public meetings) for the ANNUAL FEASTIVALS because an ANNUAL FESTIVAL also included God's 4th commandment because depending on the yearly cycles sometimes FEAST days would fall on the SABBATH, these days are call HIGH SABBATHS in God's WORD *JOHN 19:31 or some of the FEASTIVALS went longer then 7 DAYS so would include the weekly SABBATH. You have no excuse for not believing God's WORD as I have not made any of the claims you are making.

Your claims here have been addressed in detail in post # 684 linked, showing that you mix up God's SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of SHADOW laws in ORDINANCES from the OLD COVENANT *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26; EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGTEOUSNESS in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. Your response to this post and all the scriptures in them that disagree with you was to simply ignore it. Yet the linked post provided above show what PAUL is quoting from in COLOSSIANS 2:16 and show what the NEW TESTAMENT is referring to as the SHADOW laws in ORDINANCES. If you do not know what the OLD COVANANT was how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD points to? Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear. Please feel free to respond to the posts and all the scriptures provided that disagree with you. If you cannot why do you not believe God's WORD? Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. JESUS says that all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and tradtions of men are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

Once again Hosea 2:11 is in reference to the ending of the ANNUAL SABBATHS IN FEAST DAYS. God's 4th commandment is a weekly Sabbath. Can you see your error brother?

You mix up your SHADOW laws in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) in the NEW COVENANT that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word of God).