WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

[LoveGodsWord]

No I don't have anything mixed up. You just make blind statements.

Not really brother. You have not provided scriptures for your claims or have you provided any credible outside sources to support what you are saying. Yet you have been provided both God's WORD and Jewish historical sources that disagree with what you are claiming in relation to NEW MOON seventh day Sabbaths. Who should we believe God's WORD or you because you say so?

Both God's WORD and JEWISH resources all disagree with you.

GOD'S WORD

God's SABBATH according to God's WORD is the SEVENTH DAY of the WEEK *GENESIS 2:1-3; EXODUS 20:8-11. End of story. Only God's WORD is true and we should beleve and follow it *ROMANS 3:4. The NEW MOON brings in a NEW MONTH and does not RE-SET the WEEK which is a 7 day continual weekly cycle. A NEW MOON can fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle.

Please brother by all means prove what you are claiming which is that EVERY SABBATH is a NEW MOON and EVERY NEW MOON resets the days of the week? You cannot can you.

God's WORD says that the SABBATH is the SEVENTH DAY of the WEEK *GENESIS 2:1-3; EXODUS 20:8-11. While the NEW MOON is once a month. The MOON was created on DAY 4 of the creation week and the SABBATH on day 7. Do the math.

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REFERENCES OUTSIDE OF GOD'S WORD.

*Luna Sabbath false teaching here click me; and here click me; and here click me; and here click me.

*Biblical Sabbath here click me (wiki)

* Hebrew Luna Calander and NEW MOON cycles from Wiki; Judaism 101 and Israel Scrience and Technology and elsewhere that all disagree with you.

So in essence your saying that all of Israel who have been keeping the SEVENTH DAY weekly Sabbath for 1000's of years have it wrong?

Only sent in love brother and only as a help.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You have been shown to deceive by your imaginations, and you EVEN reiterate the same error again in you post. There it is, you highlight "keep the commandments of God" but you do not highlight "and have the testimony of Jesus Christ".

Jesus is God, so here are some of His words explaining His commandments:

37 "'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'
38 "This is the great and foremost commandment.
39 "The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'
40 "On these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets."

Interesting word there, "hang", for that Greek word is assinged Strongs G2910. In Luke 23:39, Strongs G2910 is used again by Luke for the word "hanged", here's the quote "one of the criminals who were hanged [there] was hurling abuse at Him, saying, "Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!"

And, here is some of the testimony of Jesus Christ:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17)

"It is finished." (John 19:30 - Jesus on the cross)

The leaven of your words leavens your whole loaf.

We believers rest according to the will of God, and this rest is given by Jesus moment by moment. We are not bound to the 7th day sabbath in the manner which you prescribe which results in lawlessness because Jesus satisfies the law (see Matthew 5:17) and Jesus said it is His words that matter (Matthew 7:21-27), and anyone who says differently disagrees with Lord Jesus.

Nope. Not at all brother, all I am hearing from you is your words and claims over God's WORD .

As already posted in post # 1322; post # 1323; post # 1324; post # 1325; post # 1326 and post # 1327, everyone of your false claims have been adderssed with a detailed scripture reply showing your errors in the interpretation of the scriptures.

Your response to the linked posts above is to simply call names and ignore these posts and scriptures provided in these posts that disagree with you which were only sent in love as a help to you. Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness anywhere in the bible at all.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD? Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *ROMANS 3:4.

Only sent in love brother as a help to you. You are free to believe and dop as you wish. We all answer only to God come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48. According to God's WORD at this time many will be dissappointed who had the chance to hear the Word of God but decided to turn away from it *MATTHEW 7:22-23. No one is a BELIEVER if they do not FOLLOW God's WORD. The devils BELIEVE according to JAMES but will not be saved because they do not follow *JAMES 2:18-20; 26.

Sent only in love brother as a help to you.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It's amazing how you twist the Scripture into something it doesn't say.

Really? Don't you mean I provide scripture that does not agree with your interpretation of it? If you do not then please by all means prove what you say. If you cannot then your only speaking your words over God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Your repeated explanation carefully deletes Jesus Christ the Righteous twisting the meaning of the passage you discuss.

Your words are not God's WORD. Your welcome to respond to the scriptures provided that disagree with your words.

Your claim is that 1 JOHN 2:3-4 is not talking about God's 10 commandments right? What does God's WORD says?

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.[4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS, IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM

Let's see if your claims have any truth to them by looking at the CONTEXT and the reason why JOHN has written 1 JOHN 2:3-4.

1 JOHN 2:1-2 [1], My little children, THESE THINGS I WRITE UNTO YOU THAT YOU SIN NOT. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:[2], And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

NOTE: The CONTEXT and reson why JOHN is writting this epistle is what? v1 THESE THINGS I WRITE UNTO YOU THAT YOU SIN NOT. It goes on to say if any man sin we have an advocate with the father. This leads us into v3-4

[3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.

[4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM .

NOTE: So the reason for JOHN'S epistle is that THAT WE SIN NOT v1. Then in v3-4 it says HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. Now notice carefully what Commandments in God's WORD are associated with sin if broken or another way of asking the same question would be what is sin because the reason why JOHN is writting his epistle is that we sin not.

As shown through the scriptures earlier it is God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

The CONTEXT of 1 JOHN 2:3-4 is that we SIN not and SIN is breaking any one of God's 10 commandments *JAMES 2:10-11. Therefore JOHN is talking about breaking any one of God's 10 commandments stating that;

[3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. [4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

Yep CONTEXT is sin (breaking God's ETERNAL LAW) JOHN is saying that those who practice SIN (breaking Gods commandments) do not KNOW GOD and if they claim to KNOW God they are lying.

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Goodness I just noticed that after 70 + pages seems no one is able to answer a single question from the OP here.....

The challenge I am putting up here in the OP is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Can anyone please show me where in all the bible does is say (SOLA SCRIPTURA; Scripture only please)...

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

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Something to think about here because we are all accountable to God come judgment day where we will all be judged by the Word of God (John 12:47-48).

God's Word makes it very clear that if we follow the teachings of men over the Word of God we are not following God...

MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3],
[3], But he answered and said unto them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift devoted to God, whatsoever you might have received from me;
[6], And honors not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God void by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
[8], These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

If we are KNOWINGLY breaking ANY of God's commandments we are not worshipping God.

Look forward to your thoughts...

 

[Neogaia777]

LGW, if you want a very simple answer to your title question, it would be that "absolutely no where in the Bible does it say that."

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

For very many people, Sunday is the seventh and last day of the week, it used to not be that way, but now it mainly is... And whether you go to church on Saturday and rest on Saturday, worship, ect, and say, do your work on Sunday, or whatever, or do the stuff you don't want to (have to) do, or won't do, or have chosen not to do, on Saturday, ect, (then the work week of course), and they do the reverse or opposite, what does it really matter...? Both are taking part are they not...? Having a Sabbath, that they observe, ect...

Times have changed, Sunday is now the seventh day of the week for a lot of people, and they could care less what the day is called, or it's name technically; and/or because "it is the seventh and last day of the week for them"... Back then they didn't have this problem, cause, well, for one thing they only got one day off, but/and for another, their equivalent of Saturday (or Sunday, whichever way you choose to view it) was the last day of their week, the seventh day... and they knew of, and almost no-one knew of anything different or anything other...

Let me ask you this one question... Did God command a "Saturday" Sabbath, or a "seventh and last day of the week" worship...? You think God is that concerned about days...? It is for us after all, not Him...

And then let me ask you another question...? And that would be...? "How much do you really think God cares about any of this insisting on a certain day, judging others who don't, ect, as if you are somehow more holy than they are, ect, you belong to God, and are chosen by Him and go to Heaven or Paradise and they will not, ect, because they do not worship on the right day, ect... And thinking the fact that you do, is the reason for all that said just a minute ago, formerly...? When; are they really wrong, or are you wrong...? Or, (and this is the one I like)", are none of us wrong" in this...? (in this)...

God Bless!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LGW, if you want a very simple answer to your title question, it would be that "absolutely no where in the Bible does it say that."

God Bless!

Thank you brother for being honest.

God bless

 

[LoveGodsWord]

For very many people, Sunday is the seventh and last day of the week, it used to not be that way, but now it mainly is... And whether you go to church on Saturday and rest on Saturday, worship, ect, and say, do your work on Sunday, or whatever, or do the stuff you don't want to (have to) do, or won't do, or have chosen not to do, on Saturday, ect, (then the work week of course), and they do the reverse or opposite, what does it really matter...? Both are taking part are they not...? Having a Sabbath, that they observe, ect...

Times have changed, Sunday is now the seventh day of the week for a lot of people, and they could care less what the day is called, or it's name technically; and/or because "it is the seventh and last day of the week for them"... Back then they didn't have this problem, cause, well, for one thing they only got one day off, but/and for another, their equivalent of Saturday (or Sunday, whichever way you choose to view it) was the last day of their week, the seventh day... and they knew of, and almost no-one knew of anything different or anything other...

Let me ask you this one question... Did God command a "Saturday" Sabbath, or a "seventh and last day of the week" worship...? You think God is that concerned about days...? It is for us after all, not Him...

And then let me ask you another question...? And that would be...? "How much do you really think God cares about any of this insisting on a certain day, judging others who don't, ect, as if you are somehow more holy than they are, ect, you belong to God, and are chosen by Him and go to Heaven or Paradise and they will not, ect, because they do not worship on the right day, ect... And thinking the fact that you do, is the reason for all that said just a minute ago, formerly...? When; are they really wrong, or are you wrong...? Or, (and this is the one I like)", are none of us wrong" in this...? (in this)...

God Bless!

Thanks for your thoughts brother Neogaia777,

If there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day as you have correctly pointed out, and JESUS says that all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *ROMANS 3:4. Who do you think we should believe and follow, God or man *ROMANS 3:4? What does God's 4th commandment say *EXODUS 20:8-11?

God bless brother, thanks for sharing.

 

[Neogaia777]

Thanks for your thoughts brother Neogaia777,

If there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day as you have correctly pointed out, and JESUS says that all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *ROMANS 3:4. Who do you think we should believe and follow, God or man *ROMANS 3:4? What does God's 4th commandment say *EXODUS 20:8-11?

God bless brother, thanks for sharing.

By your insistence on this issue, you are following the ways or traditions of man, or a man, because if anything, they are your own ways...

The letter of the law was to expose man's ways, or own ways, and beyond that, it has little to no purpose, like in a truly born again believers life... But, the Spirit of that same law, is superior, for/and because it goes beyond that and beyond the law, or letter of the law, I mean... And the totality of it, in time and gradually reveals God's (true) ways...

And if your going to insist on this, then you must keep the whole law, and you know you don't always, but anyway, I think it is you and those like you that are following the traditions and ways of man, and forsaking the Spirit, and not following the commandments, or the true commandments, of God...

And I do not say that to be mean, but just because that is the way I have come to see it, interpret it, perceive it, ect., to mean, who it applies to, ect..

God Bless!

 

[Kermos]

Let's examine your claims again and see if there is any truth in them. Your claim is that I am saying the God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH is not written into LEVITICUS 23 correct?

Your words are a composition, and your words state something. Your words state your imaginations that you try to impose on others when you intersperse scripture. Your words composited state that the 7th day sabbaths are not there in Leviticus 23 with all the other sabbaths listed in Leviticus 23 because you words say that the 7th day sabbath is excluded by way of your explanation of Hosea 2:11; on the other hand, God says the 7th day sabbaths are there.

As written previously, your words composited build your statements. Both sentences are equally valid examples meant to point people to the post identifying where God's Word says something that you contradict. By the way, your post #766 to which you linked is an example of you trying to explain away that the 7th day sabbath included in Leviticus 23:3 as not being a part of the Hosea 2:11 reference according to you. You contradict God's Word as evidenced by the immediately preceding verses which are Leviticus 23:1-2 stating:

1 YHVH spoke again to Moses, saying,
2 "Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, 'YHVH'S appointed times which you shall proclaim as holy convocations - My appointed times are these:"

And, here is Leviticus 23:3:

"For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation. You shall not do any work; it is a sabbath to YHVH in all your dwellings."

It is a very simple matter for someone to look at the posting of yours to which I am replying (which is similar to your post number 766) to see that your words try to extricate the 7th day sabbath Leviticus 23:3 which according to you leaves Hosea 2:11 not talking about the 7th day sabbaths. Your words try to extricate the seventh day sabbaths from all the sabbaths listed in Leviticus 23. For your imaginations, Hosea 2:11 does not fit with Leviticus 23:1-3, and your words, many are your words, you try to break God's Word. God's Word is Truth, and I am thankful that God has shown me the Truth! Your word is not God's Word. You bear false witness against God! You bear false witness against me, but I forgive you.

There it is, again, an explanation of your words, your compositions which are your statements.

Now, see Jesus in action:

8 Jesus said to him, "Get up, pick up your pallet and walk."
9 Immediately the man became well, and picked up his pallet and [began] to walk. Now it was the Sabbath on that day.
10 So the Jews were saying to the man who was cured, "It is the Sabbath, and it is not permissible for you to carry your pallet."
(John 5:8-10).

Now, listen to Jesus:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy" (Matthew 5:17).

"Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and are innocent?" (Matthew 12:5)

"But if you had known what this means, 'I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT A SACRIFICE,' you would not have condemned the innocent." (Matthew 12:7)

"For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath." (Matthew 12:8)

"It is finished" (John 19:30).

"All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth" (Matthew 28:18)

 

[Kermos]

True.

Jesus fulfills moral law by complying with it.
Jesus fulfills ceremonial law by accomplishing what it predicts.

...snip...
Can we agree that Christ perfectly fulfilled (complied with) the Law to "Not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7 and to "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18
...snip

First, you wrongly divide the words of Jesus, and that is a very dangerous place to be. Here are the words of the High Priest named Jesus:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to consumate." (Matthew 5:17)

Notice how your words try to impose your imaginations on the point where Jesus Who is God says "the Law".

Now, the Lord Jesus had something to say about blasphemy, and here are the words of Jesus:

"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the [age] to come." (Matther 12:31-32)

 

[Kermos]

And in the same way [He took] the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood." (Luke 22:20)

When He said, "A new [covenant]," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear. (Hebrews 8:13)

 

[BobRyan]

Can we agree that Christ perfectly fulfilled (complied with) the Law to "Not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7 and to "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18

1. Moral Law can be perfectly fulfilled (complied with) and doing so does not give others the open door to be immoral and not be guilty of sin.

(Where Matthew 5 confines itself to the moral law -- perfectly complied with (fulfilled) in the case of Christ and the "examples" the text gives. "Obviously"

2. Predictive Law in ceremonies can be fulfilled (fulfilling a promise, as predicted) - and does not obligate anyone else to fulfill that prediction.

So then "perfectly fulfilled" has two contexts.

... I claim Christ fulfilled both moral law and predictive ceremonial law...

hence - it is "still a sin to take God's name in vain"

In your own reasoning, you try to redefine the words of Jesus. The definition you show for G1437 carries the words consummate and complete of every particular.

G1437 carries the words consummate and complete of every particular.

Which I keep affirming...

That is how moral law works complying with "do not take God's name in vain" in every particular does not leave the next person free to "take God's name in vain"... obviously.


"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to consummate." (Matthew 5:17)

His "not taking God's name in vain" does not "abolish" that command of the moral law -- it completely fulfills and so then complies. But does not leave others free to take God's name in vain.

I notice that you carefully snip out this detail in all your responses


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First, you wrongly divide the words of Jesus, and that is a very dangerous place to be. Here are the words of the High Priest named Jesus:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to consumate." (Matthew 5:17)

Nice... but you failed to sustain your accusation. In fact you did not allow yourself to post even one actual fact in my post to sustain your false accusation.
Surely you have at least "some interest" in your own accusations.

Your enthusiasm to snip out all the details leaves your post loaded with accusations for which you show no proof at all.

Would you like another try at it??

Remember that if you want to go beyond "false accusation" you need to pay attention to the actual details IN the post (which I have included here "again" for you - as noted above that line.)

Notice how your words try to impose your imaginations on the point where Jesus Who is God says "the Law".

You seem to have imagined that.

Now, the Lord Jesus had something to say about blasphemy, and here are the words of Jesus:

"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.

Not the same thing as full scope of "do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7. My point was that the command is not "quoted". The point remains.

My point was NOT that the command is not valid. It is that even though it is never quoted - it is still valid.

Details matter.

 

[Kermos]

Nope. Not at all brother, all I am hearing from you is your words and claims over God's WORD
...snip

Behold, God's Word in the succeeding paragraphs. This addresses the 10 commandments which are part of the old covenant, the old covenant/old testament, the new covenant/new testament, and last but not least the Blood of Jesus!

God the Son, Jesus commanded (Matthew 22:37-40):

"'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.' This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' On these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets."

Interesting word there, "hang", for that Greek word is assinged Strongs G2910. In Luke 23:39, Strongs G2910 is used again by Luke for the word "hanged", here's the quote "one of the criminals who were hanged [there] was hurling abuse at Him, saying, "Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!"

God the Father commanded (Mathew 17:5):

"This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!"

God said (Isaiah 9:6):

"For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace."

Luke records Jesus' actions and words about the new covenant (Luke 22:20):

And in the same way [He took] the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood."

In Hebrews it is written about the new covenant (Hebrews 8:13):

"When He said, 'A new [covenant],' He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear."

The Apostle John records Jesus commanding a man to work on the Sabbath (John 5:8-10):

Jesus said to him, "Get up, pick up your pallet and walk."
Immediately the man became well, and picked up his pallet and [began] to walk. Now it was the Sabbath on that day.
So the Jews were saying to the man who was cured, "It is the Sabbath, and it is not permissible for you to carry your pallet."

The Apostle Matthew records the Lord Jesus explaining the meaning of lawlessness (in verse 23, the Greek word is anomian Strongs G458 similar to 1 John 2:1-4), and here is what Jesus said (Matthew 7:21-27):

21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven [will enter].
22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
24 "Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.
25 "And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and [yet] it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock.
26 "Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
27 "The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell - and great was its fall."

This should terrify anyone who does not keep the words of Jesus. In verse 24, the Lord Jesus said "everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them" then He explains about the person, but in verse 26 the Lord Jesus said "Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them" then He explains about that person.

Here are seven more quotations of the Lord Jesus Christ with citations:

"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments." (John 14:15)

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy" (Matthew 5:17).

"Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and are innocent?" (Matthew 12:5)

"But if you had known what this means, 'I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT A SACRIFICE,' you would not have condemned the innocent." (Matthew 12:7)

"For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath." (Matthew 12:8)

"It is finished" (John 19:30).

"All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth" (Matthew 28:18)

You are bound by your imaginations. You insterperse scripture among your words, and your words are frequently contrary to God's Word as demonstrated again and again and again. Your teaching about keeping the 7th day sabbath with those not keeping it as practicing sin by the people of the new covenant is your imaginations; furthermore, your imaginations are not God's Word. You falsely accuse me, again, but I forgive you. The leaven of your words leavens your whole loaf.

We believers rest according to the will of God, and this rest is given by, in, and through Jesus moment by moment. We are not bound to the 7th day sabbath in the manner which you prescribe which results in lawlessness because Jesus satisfies the law (see Matthew 5:17) and Jesus said it is His words that matter (Matthew 7:21-27), and anyone who says differently disagrees with Lord Jesus.

 

[BobRyan]

Can we agree that Christ perfectly fulfilled (complied with) the Law to "Not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7 and to "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18

1. Moral Law can be perfectly fulfilled (complied with) and doing so does not give others the open door to be immoral and not be guilty of sin.

(Where Matthew 5 confines itself to the moral law -- perfectly complied with (fulfilled) in the case of Christ and the "examples" the text gives. "Obviously"

2. Predictive Law in ceremonies can be fulfilled (fulfilling a promise, as predicted) - and does not obligate anyone else to fulfill that prediction.

So then "perfectly fulfilled" has two contexts.

... I claim Christ fulfilled both moral law and predictive ceremonial law...

hence - it is "still a sin to take God's name in vain"

First, you wrongly divide the words of Jesus, and that is a very dangerous place to be. Here are the words of the High Priest named Jesus:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to consumate." (Matthew 5:17)

While we can enjoy creative writing and the "kermos" translation.. we still have this

17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. NASB

17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. NKJV

17 `Do not suppose that I came to throw down the law or the prophets -- I did not come to throw down, but to fulfill; (YLT)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. (KJV)

Greek and Hebrew are high "context" languages so just finding any ol option for a given word (as suits preference) is not the same thing as an accurate rendering.

(I think we all knew that)

Your habit of strong false accusation against anyone not using the Kermos version -- is over the top. Pick another solution

 

[Kermos]

snip...
Nice... but you failed to sustain your accusation. Your enthusiasm to snip out all the details leaves your post loaded with accusations for which you show no proof at all.

Would you like another try at it??
...snip

Your words indicate that you are confused because this is addressed in this post.

Your words try to impose a different meaning on the words of Jesus because in your imaginations you try to split up the Law.

Jesus said:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy" (Matthew 5:17).

"It is finished" (John 19:30 - Jesus words at the cross).

Luke records Jesus' actions and words about the new covenant:

And in the same way [He took] the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood." (Luke 22:20)

In Hebrews it is written about the new covenant:

"When He said, 'A new [covenant],' He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear." (Hebrews 8:13)

The old testament is obsolete by the words of Jesus Christ with "the new covenant in My blood" as recorded in Luke 22:20. Anyone who says otherwise is contradicting scripture!

 

[BobRyan]

Your words indicate that you are confused because this is addressed in this post.

Your words try to impose a different meaning on the words of Jesus because in your imaginations you try to split up the Law.

Sadly for that bit of speculation - Paul refutes your point.

"circumcision does not matter - what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

A distinction in LAW that you wildly perhaps rashly claim cannot exist.

A point the "Westminster Confession of Faith" and the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and almost all Bible scholars such as C.H. Spurgeon and many others freely admit. So it is not "just Paul"

 

[BobRyan]

The old testament is obsolete by the words of Jesus Christ

Less creative writing... more Bible please.

Mark 7:
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

 

[BobRyan]

"When He said, 'A new [covenant],' He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear." (Hebrews 8:13)

The old testament is obsolete by the words of Jesus Christ with "the new covenant

Hint: the New Testament in our use is "scripture" 27 books of the Bible and Old Testament is "scripture" - 39 books of the Bible.

My Bible has 66 books... and yours??

"ALL Scripture given by inspiration from God AND to be used for doctrine" 2 Tim 3:16

More Bible - less creative writing.