WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

[LoveGodsWord]

You haven't/can't answer my questions??

Hello brother I would not hold your breath for an answer to your questions. Here we are nearly 72 pages later and not a single question in the OP has been answered.

God bless.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Goodness I just noticed that after 72 pages seems no one is able to answer a single question from the OP here.....

The challenge I am putting up here in the OP is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Can anyone please show me where in all the bible does is say (SOLA SCRIPTURA; Scripture only please)...

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

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Something to think about here because we are all accountable to God come judgment day where we will all be judged by the Word of God (John 12:47-48).

God's Word makes it very clear that if we follow the teachings of men over the Word of God we are not following God...

MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3],
[3], But he answered and said unto them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift devoted to God, whatsoever you might have received from me;
[6], And honors not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God void by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
[8], These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

If we are KNOWINGLY breaking ANY of God's commandments we are not worshipping God.

Look forward to your thoughts...

 

[ace of hearts]

Goodness I just noticed that after 72 pages seems no one is able to answer a single question from the OP here.....

So why don't you answer them? The only response you'll accept as an answer is your specific words. What you're looking for is a religious unscriptural answer.

 

[BobRyan]

Goodness I just noticed that after 72 pages seems no one is able to answer a single question from the OP here.....

The challenge I am putting up here in the OP is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.
.

If you make an irrefutable point with scripture - the best you will get from some threads is the complaint that those scriptures don't vanish 'once ignored'.

 

[ace of hearts]

David, the HEBREW and GREEK words do not have single and specific word meanings like they do in the english. The HEBREW and GREEK words normally have multiple meanings and it is their application within the scriptures and chapter as to how they are used that determines what the word meanings are. For example;

GREEK
the law νόμος; nomos G3551 From a primary word νέμω nemō (to parcel out, especially food or grazing to animals); law (through the idea of prescriptive usage), generally (regulation), specifically (of Moses [including the volume]; also of the Gospel), or figuratively (a principle): - law.

Multiple meanings of nomos

1. Parcel out food to grazing animals
2. Law by application
3. Regulations from the book of the law of Moses also Gospel
4. Priciple law.

So how do we determine the correct application of the many meanings here for Nomos?

HEBREW
the law; תּורה תּרה; tôrâh tôrâh From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.

Multiple meanings of torah

1. Precept
2. Statute
3. The above as applied to either Decologue or the Pentateuch

So how do we determine the correct application of the meanings here for Torah if it is applied to God's 10 commandments (decologue) or Pentateuch (Book of the law of Moses)?

As shown earlier in the earlier posts using scripture examples, it is the within SCRIPTURE and CHAPTER CONTEXT that determines the correct meaning and application of the Greek or Hebrew word being used.

You cannot use and take a GREEK and HEBREW WORD in ISOLATION of the scripture and chapter context to determine what the WORD meaning is as there is multiple applications and it is the scripture and chapter context that determines meaning. This is why you were provided different scripture examples in the earlier posts that show your claims that every time the Greek word "the law" are used always means every law in the bible is a false claim.

It is the application of the HEBREW or GREEK words used within the scriptures and chapter context that determine the correct word meaning and application.

Can you see your error here brother?

Hope this helps.

You're just arguing for the sake of arguing here.

 

[ace of hearts]

If you make an irrefutable point with scripture - the best you will get from some threads is the complaint that those scriptures don't vanish 'once ignored'.

Yeah that's his response.

 

[BobRyan]

Goodness I just noticed that after 72 pages seems no one is able to answer a single question from the OP here.....

The challenge I am putting up here in the OP is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.
.

If you make an irrefutable point with scripture - the best you will get from some threads is the complaint that those scriptures don't vanish 'once ignored'.

Yeah that's his response.

As you continue to ignore the OP details.

 

[klutedavid]

You are welcome although I don't see why you would be happy to be an,Idolater,Image maker and worshiper, Blasphemer, Dishonourer of parents,Murderer,Adulterer, Thief,False witness,Coveter.

Why would I be happy if I was murdering people?

You say:
"See this phrase 'the law', in the New Testament that phrase always signifies the whole law."

This is patently false,and only a novice to the scriptures could say this.Just one example. When Paul says:

"Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be."(Romans 8:7)

How does your quotation (Romans 8:7) establish that 'the law' is not the Torah?

Which law is he referring to here?Are you carnal since you "don't keep any of the written law" ?

Paul states in verse one (Romans 8:1) that there is no condemnation for those in Christ.

Your under the impression that there is condemnation for those in Christ Jesus.

We are not under that written law since we are under grace in Christ. Because we receive the Holy Spirit when we believe in Jesus we are granted the fruit of the Holy Spirit. It is this process of the Spirit at work within us, that generates the fruit of the spirit.

Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

See safsan, against such things as kindness and gentleness there is no law. There certainly is no condemnation for those in Jesus Christ.

A person that believes in Jesus cannot by default be a blasphemer. A gentle person by default cannot be a murderer, e.t.c.

The law is for the wicked and those that follow Jesus are the righteous.

 

[klutedavid]

David, the HEBREW and GREEK words do not have single and specific word meanings like they do in the english. The HEBREW and GREEK words normally have multiple meanings and it is their application within the scriptures and chapter as to how they are used that determines what the word meanings are. For example;

GREEK
the law νόμος; nomos G3551 From a primary word νέμω nemō (to parcel out, especially food or grazing to animals); law (through the idea of prescriptive usage), generally (regulation), specifically (of Moses [including the volume]; also of the Gospel), or figuratively (a principle): - law.

Multiple meanings of nomos

1. Parcel out food to grazing animals
2. Law by application
3. Regulations from the book of the law of Moses also Gospel
4. Priciple law.

So how do we determine the correct application of the many meanings here for Nomos?

HEBREW
the law; תּורה תּרה; tôrâh tôrâh From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.

Multiple meanings of torah

1. Precept
2. Statute
3. The above as applied to either Decologue or the Pentateuch

So how do we determine the correct application of the meanings here for Torah if it is applied to God's 10 commandments (decologue) or Pentateuch (Book of the law of Moses)?

As shown earlier in the earlier posts using scripture examples, it is the within SCRIPTURE and CHAPTER CONTEXT that determines the correct meaning and application of the Greek or Hebrew word being used.

You cannot use and take a GREEK and HEBREW WORD in ISOLATION of the scripture and chapter context to determine what the WORD meaning is as there is multiple applications and it is the scripture and chapter context that determines meaning. This is why you were provided different scripture examples in the earlier posts that show your claims that every time the Greek word "the law" are used always means every law in the bible is a false claim.

It is the application of the HEBREW or GREEK words used within the scriptures and chapter context that determine the correct word meaning and application.

Can you see your error here brother?

Hope this helps.

Your claiming that 'the law' varies in definition according to the context. I see 'the law' as always referring to the entire written expression of God in the Torah.

If Paul used the phrase 'the ten commandments', then I would agree with you.

Paul states that we walk by the Spirit and not by the flesh. We are governed not by the written law but by the Holy Spirit.

Galatians 5:16
But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.

Your vain attempts to rekindle the law as your master illustrates that you are lacking the Holy Spirit.

 

[safswan]

Why would I be happy if I was murdering people?

Because you glibly claimed:

"I don't keep any of the written law because I am under the perfect law, the law of Christ."

That is the result of your statement.You must be happily committing all the sins I mentioned and more.And if you claim you are not,then you are observing these laws even if you claim you don't.

How does your quotation (Romans 8:7) establish that 'the law' is not the Torah?

It doesn't and was not meant to.It should not have been separated from the questions asked:

"Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be."(Romans 8:7)

"Which law is he referring to here?Are you carnal since you "don't keep any of the written law" ?"

You should answer the questions as this will illuminate your error about the term law as used in the writings of the apostles.

Your under the impression that there is condemnation for those in Christ Jesus.

Where do you see me saying anything of the sort?Show me one statement by me which says anything like what you claim.

A person that believes in Jesus cannot by default be a blasphemer. A gentle person by default cannot be a murderer, e.t.c.

And if this is so it means they are obeying the commands which pertain to such behaviour.They are observing the law to not take the Lord's name in vain and the law to not kill.

The law is for the wicked and those that follow Jesus are the righteous.

Are you saying the wicked are obeying the laws of God and the righteous are not?Are you sure you understand what you are saying?But if the righteous are so,isn't because they are not identified by the law as sinners?ie. They do not kill,blaspheme etc?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Your claiming that 'the law' varies in definition according to the context. I see 'the law' as always referring to the entire written expression of God in the Torah.

Well that is not true brother David. You have been shown through both scripture and the GREEK and HEBREW word usage that it is both the within scripture and chapter CONTEXT that determines the HEBREW and GREEK word meanings. This is God's WORD and the rules of HEBREW and GREEK word interpretation which must be viewed in the context of the surrounding COTEXT within both scripture and chapter.

David you have been shown scripture examples that disagree with your claims that every time the words "the law" is used it is in reference to every law in God's WORD is a false claim in post # 1410; post # 1412 and also the rules for HEBREW and GREEK word meanings of "the law" and the rules of biblical word interpretations in post # 1418 linked. These are God's WORD brother not my words. Your response to God's WORD is to ignore it and to simply state that you disagree with it. Only God's WORD is true brother and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4.

If Paul used the phrase 'the ten commandments', then I would agree with you.

Why does Paul need to use the phrase "the ten commandments" in order for you to BELIEVE that he is talking about God's ten commandments when PAUL is quoting the ten Commandments? You were shown in an earlier post that "the law"; νόμος; nomos G3551 has many applications and meanings and can mean law. Now if Paul is quoting the ten commandments what law is he referring to?

ROMANS 13:8-10 [8], Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. [9], For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

Sorry brother only sent in LOVE and has a help. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?

God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word of God).

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So why don't you answer them? The only response you'll accept as an answer is your specific words. What you're looking for is a religious unscriptural answer.

Can you answer a question asking for a scripture when there is no scripture to answer the question being asked?

 

[klutedavid]

Well that is not true brother David. You have been shown through both scripture and the GREEK and HEBREW word usage that it is both the within scripture and chapter CONTEXT that determines the HEBREW and GREEK word meanings. This is God's WORD and the rules of HEBREW and GREEK word interpretation which must be viewed in the context of the surrounding COTEXT within both scripture and chapter.

David you have been shown scripture examples that disagree with your claims that every time the words "the law" is used it is in reference to every law in God's WORD is a false claim in post # 1410; post # 1412 and also the rules for HEBREW and GREEK word meanings of "the law" and the rules of biblical word interpretations in post # 1418 linked. These are God's WORD brother not my words. Your response to God's WORD is to ignore it and to simply state that you disagree with it. Only God's WORD is true brother and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4.

Why does Paul need to use the phrase "the ten commandments" in order for you to BELIEVE that he is talking about God's ten commandments why PAUL is quoting the ten Commandments? You were shown in an earlier post that "the law"; νόμος; nomos G3551 has many applications and meaning and can means law. Now if Paul is quoting the ten commandments what law is he referring to?

ROMANS 13:8-10 [8], Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. [9], For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

Sorry brother only sent in LOVE and has a help. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?

God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word of God).

You make the same mistake over and over again. You assume that your interpretation represents what God is declaring to the world in Christ Jesus. Your interpretation is an old traditional interpretation, your interpretation carves the law into sections. Here read what an expert has to say about dividing the law into compartments.

Christians and the law

One method popularly espoused is to divide the Law into three categories: (1) civil laws pertaining to the life of Israel as a national entity in ancient times; (2) ceremonial laws pertaining to how Israel worshiped God at the tabernacle or temple; and (3) moral laws that indicate the ethical standards God desires of people.

Under this scheme, the civil and ceremonial laws are seen as no longer applicable to Christians, because they are fulfilled in Christ. The moral laws, though, do continue to have force, since God’s standards have not changed. It therefore takes Jesus fulfillment of the Old Testament and the high ethical standards of believers quite seriously.

There are a few problems with this approach, however.

First, the Law itself does not make this kind of threefold distinction. The laws together constitute a singular whole. While we are still permitted to divide it up for the purposes of analysis, it becomes easy to take these divisions as absolute features of the Law, rather than useful tools. It’s a bit like treating a three-room house like three distinct houses.

Second, the New Testament sees Jesus as the fulfillment of the Law in its entirety, not just two portions of it.

And third, the Law is an all-or-nothing proposition. Paul’s interaction with the Gentile believers in Galatia demonstrates this. When the Judaizers came to Galatia and urged the Gentile believers to undergo circumcision in order to be part of the people of God, Paul reacted strongly. He told the Galatians that if they wanted to be characterized by observing the Law, they had to keep all the laws, not just portions of them (Gal 5:3).

But this would be to no avail anyway, since no one can ultimately be justified through the Law (Gal 3:11). Nevertheless, Paul also affirms that when Christians walk in step with the Spirit who has been given to them (Gal 5:16, 25) and love their neighbors as themselves, they fulfill the entire Law—not just part of it (Gal 5:24).

Carving the Law up into applicable and non-applicable slices simply does not do it justice.

(Moore College. George Athas is Director of Postgraduate Studies at Moore College and lectures in Hebrew, Old Testament, and Early Church History.)

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You make the same mistake over and over again. You assume that your interpretation represents what God is declaring to the world in Christ Jesus. Your interpretation is an old traditional interpretation, your interpretation carves the law into sections. Here read what an expert has to say about dividing the law into compartments.

Christians and the law

One method popularly espoused is to divide the Law into three categories: (1) civil laws pertaining to the life of Israel as a national entity in ancient times; (2) ceremonial laws pertaining to how Israel worshiped God at the tabernacle or temple; and (3) moral laws that indicate the ethical standards God desires of people.

Under this scheme, the civil and ceremonial laws are seen as no longer applicable to Christians, because they are fulfilled in Christ. The moral laws, though, do continue to have force, since God’s standards have not changed. It therefore takes Jesus fulfillment of the Old Testament and the high ethical standards of believers quite seriously.

There are a few problems with this approach, however.

First, the Law itself does not make this kind of threefold distinction. The laws together constitute a singular whole. While we are still permitted to divide it up for the purposes of analysis, it becomes easy to take these divisions as absolute features of the Law, rather than useful tools. It’s a bit like treating a three-room house like three distinct houses.

Second, the New Testament sees Jesus as the fulfillment of the Law in its entirety, not just two portions of it.

And third, the Law is an all-or-nothing proposition. Paul’s interaction with the Gentile believers in Galatia demonstrates this. When the Judaizers came to Galatia and urged the Gentile believers to undergo circumcision in order to be part of the people of God, Paul reacted strongly. He told the Galatians that if they wanted to be characterized by observing the Law, they had to keep all the laws, not just portions of them (Gal 5:3).

But this would be to no avail anyway, since no one can ultimately be justified through the Law (Gal 3:11). Nevertheless, Paul also affirms that when Christians walk in step with the Spirit who has been given to them (Gal 5:16, 25) and love their neighbors as themselves, they fulfill the entire Law—not just part of it (Gal 5:24).

Carving the Law up into applicable and non-applicable slices simply does not do it justice.

(Moore College. George Athas is Director of Postgraduate Studies at Moore College and lectures in Hebrew, Old Testament, and Early Church History.)

Hello David, you have simply provided your own words over God's WORD do you have any scriptures to share? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it *ROMANS 3:4

Only God's WORD is true brother and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

Sorry brother, God's Words does not teach lawlessness.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word of God).

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You make the same mistake over and over again. You assume that your interpretation represents what God is declaring to the world in Christ Jesus.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?

God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word of God).

 

[klutedavid]

Hello David, you have simply provided your own words over God's WORD do you have any scriptures to share? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it *ROMANS 3:4

Well what you just said is not true.

That last post that you quoted states that the author is described below.

Moore College.

George Athas is Director of Postgraduate Studies at Moore College and lectures in Hebrew, Old Testament, and Early Church History.

So LGW considers that he understands the Old Testament better than the director of Postgraduate studies at Moore College.

You know LGW, I really do believe that you are out of your depth when it comes to the scripture.

 

[klutedavid]

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?

God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word of God).

Who said the Sabbath was abolished?

I still don't know where you got that red herring from?

Who said anything about holy days or that Sunday is a holy day?

Sheep that don't read the scripture properly are really hairy goats.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Well what you just said is not true.

That last post that you quoted states that the author is described below.

Moore College.

George Athas is Director of Postgraduate Studies at Moore College and lectures in Hebrew, Old Testament, and Early Church History.

So LGW considers that he understands the Old Testament better than the director of Postgraduate studies at Moore College.

You know LGW, I really do believe that you are out of your depth when it comes to the scripture.

Well that is not true David.

You have been provided God's WORD and scripture to show that the statement and claim that you made; every time the words "the law" is used in the GREEK and HEBREW it is referring to every law in the bible is not true. This was shown through the scriptures alone and God's WORD that this is a false statement.

You have been shown this with both scripture examples and the HEBREW and GREEK word meanings of torah and nomos that it is the application of the scripture and chapter CONTEXT that determines the word meanings due to application.

Your response to God's WORD is to quote someone outside of God's WORD that does not even support what you were claiming. Who should we BELIEVE God's WORD of the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. Your putting the words of men over the Word of God. Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Hope this helps

 

[ace of hearts]

Nope. No it does not. It only effects the number of days in the year and month as the seven day week is a continual cycle.

If the lunar calendar is 11 days shorter it also a week shorter.

 

[ace of hearts]

Well what you just said is not true.

That last post that you quoted states that the author is described below.

Moore College.

George Athas is Director of Postgraduate Studies at Moore College and lectures in Hebrew, Old Testament, and Early Church History.

So LGW considers that he understands the Old Testament better than the director of Postgraduate studies at Moore College.

You know LGW, I really do believe that you are out of your depth when it comes to the scripture.

That's not what he's arguing about.