MAGA hat wearing teens mock and harass Native American Vietnam vet

[ThatRobGuy]

At the end of the day we have punks who need a good paddling and a sermon series on Matthew chapters five through seven and the parable of the Good Samaritan. In fact if they really want to punish the youths, they would ask a pedagogue like me teach it.

Actually, based on their behavior...they were probably already punished in that way as kids.

There are numerous studies and peer-reviewed research showing that physical punishment actually makes kids more likely to act out.

What these kids needed was to not be heavily influenced by an emboldened far-right and the rhetoric that goes with it. Between their hat choice and their behavior, I'm assuming they're hearing far-right talking points at home and being guided in that direction.

There's a negative element of the far-right that's being emboldened and acting out in ways they previously wouldn't have thanks to them feeling a sense of superiority over the fact that "their guy" is in office and he says things that reinforce (whether directly or implied) that's reinforcing those questionable views.

 

[JackRT]

Amish proverb --- "Children are wonderful imitators. They will almost always turn out to be just like their parents in spite of our best efforts to teach them good manners."

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Like I touched on in my previous post, having "their guy" in office is emboldening those on the far-right and encouraging bad bad behavior.

It's not just kids... take a look at this lady:

"I hate you because you're Mexican"
"Why?"
"Because you're Rapists and Drugs dealers"

...Gee, I wonder where she may have gotten that idea.


I know the rebuttal is going to be "Well, Trump clarified that he only meant certain Mexicans". But as you can see from the behavior, that's not the takeaway for some of his staunch supporters.

Deep down, I think he knows that... He knows there's a sketchy racist support base that's largely responsible for helping him get elected, which is why he sort of indirectly says certain things could fall in the category of "saying it without saying it" and "imply then deny".

When he made the comment about how "some of these people coming across the Mexican border are rapists and drug dealers", he knew that statement was going to appeal to anyone who was racist against Mexicans, but worded it specifically to allow him to deny any sort of accusations of racism because "see, I said some".

That coupled with things like refusing to call the alt-right the bad guys at the unite the right rally, best we could get out of him is a "good & bad people on both sides", and pretending he didn't know who David Duke was (even though he was on record years back bashing Duke for being racist...so he knows of him and what he's about) so that he wouldn't be forced to say something like "I don't want that kind of support" and risk alienating any racist supporters he might have.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

>> Users on social media identified the teens as likely being students from Covington Catholic school in Kentucky because of the insignia on some of their clothing. Laura Keener, the communications director with the Roman Catholic Diocese of Covington, released a statement on Saturday saying they were looking into the incident. <<

Here's the video.

If these kids are the future of the MAGA movement, then we've got nothing to worry about.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Actually, based on their behavior...they were probably already punished in that way as kids.

There are numerous studies and peer-reviewed research showing that physical punishment actually makes kids more likely to act out.

What these kids needed was to not be heavily influenced by an emboldened far-right and the rhetoric that goes with it. Between their hat choice and their behavior, I'm assuming they're hearing far-right talking points at home and being guided in that direction.

There's a negative element of the far-right that's being emboldened and acting out in ways they previously wouldn't have thanks to them feeling a sense of superiority over the fact that "their guy" is in office and he says things that reinforce (whether directly or implied) that's reinforcing those questionable views.

While I imagine you're correct for most of the kids, the father of the boy seen saying "land gets stolen" responded in a way that I find encouraging:

https://www.owensborotimes.com/news...eoples-march-school-officials-father-respond/

The father said his son is a good kid who chose his words poorly.

“He said ‘land gets taken away’ and it does, but a 16-year-old boy doesn’t understand that there is pain there. It takes age to understand how harmful that is,” the father said. “Nothing in his life has been taken. It’s easy to be glib at 16. But as you get older and you deal with loss, you understand that empathy, you understand things being taken.”

“This is not a ‘boys will be boys’ situation,” the father said. “This is a 16-year-old who doesn’t have that empathy of loss. Words are important, whether on national news or what you say to a loved one.”

 

[ThatRobGuy]

While I imagine you're correct for most of the kids, the father of the boy seen saying "land gets stolen" responded in a way that I find encouraging:

https://www.owensborotimes.com/news...eoples-march-school-officials-father-respond/

Well, it's good that the father is speaking against certain things, but I don't know that I buy the answer...specifically, regarding this bit:

The father said his son is a good kid who chose his words poorly.

“He said ‘land gets taken away’ and it does, but a 16-year-old boy doesn’t understand that there is pain there. It takes age to understand how harmful that is,” the father said.


...I just don't know that I would accept that. We're not talking about a really really young kid. 16 is plenty old enough to understand certain concepts.

The fact that he was part of a group that thought it was funny to taunt someone in that regard, "So what, land gets stolen all the time" seems more like a snarky comeback than it does any sort of sincere view with regards to historical land stealing.

It'd be one thing if the kid said that in a debate class focusing on the topic, but that's not what this was. These were high school students who specifically wanted to go mock a particular cause/event to be funny, and then when called out for it, this kid made a snarky comeback to try to dismiss someone who was calling him out for it.


I would equate this with someone specifically going out of their way to go mock a public display for Rosa Parks to be funny, and then when someone said "that's not cool, she had to fight for certain rights due to racism", replying back with "who cares, racism has been there all throughout history"

 

[Nithavela]

While I imagine you're correct for most of the kids, the father of the boy seen saying "land gets stolen" responded in a way that I find encouraging:

https://www.owensborotimes.com/news...eoples-march-school-officials-father-respond/

Empathy doesnt just grow with age. Many old people lack empathy as much as the kids in this video.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Well, it's good that the father is speaking against certain things, but I don't know that I buy the answer...specifically, regarding this bit:

The father said his son is a good kid who chose his words poorly.

“He said ‘land gets taken away’ and it does, but a 16-year-old boy doesn’t understand that there is pain there. It takes age to understand how harmful that is,” the father said.


...I just don't know that I would accept that. We're not talking about a really really young kid. 16 is plenty old enough to understand certain concepts.

The fact that he was part of a group that thought it was funny to taunt someone in that regard, "So what, land gets stolen all the time" seems more like a snarky comeback than it does any sort of sincere view with regards to historical land stealing.

It'd be one thing if the kid said that in a debate class focusing on the topic, but that's not what this was. These were high school students who specifically wanted to go mock a particular cause/event to be funny, and then when called out for it, this kid made a snarky comeback to try to dismiss someone who was calling him out for it.


I would equate this with someone specifically going out of their way to go mock a public display for Rosa Parks to be funny, and then when someone said "that's not cool, she had to fight for certain rights due to racism", replying back with "who cares, racism has been there all throughout history"

I think there's a difference between being capable of understanding something and actually understanding it on a meaningful level. I've always had a pretty sarcastic and irreverent sense of humor, as well as an elevated sense of my own understanding of things, and I can totally see myself having said something flippant like that when I was 16. I probably said a lot worse.

Of course, if I came across 16yo me now, I'd give him a solid junk punch.

I was encouraged because at least that one dad seems to get what the problem is. Now that I think about it, IME, that sort of sensitivity seems to be somewhat more common among practicing catholics than it is evangelicals, so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.

Empathy doesnt just grow with age. Many old people lack empathy as much as the kids in this video.

Empathy doesn't automatically grow with age, but it certainly can. I know it has for me.

 

[Nithavela]

Empathy doesn't automatically grow with age, but it certainly can. I know it has for me.

It didnt grow with age, it grew with the experiences you had during that time. Experiences require time, but time itself doesnt change people. If people are filled with hatefilled experiences and thoughts for 60 years they arent getting any wiser, just more bitter and set in their hatred.

 

[archer75]

A little follow-up:

MAGA hat boy's mother blames 'black Muslims' after son harasses Native American man

 

[iluvatar5150]

A little follow-up:

MAGA hat boy's mother blames 'black Muslims' after son harasses Native American man

ah, you beat me to it. The heavy.com piece has about an hour of video on either side of the start of the events in question.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/01/ky-catholic-teens-maga-taunts-native-american/

 

[wing2000]

Amish proverb --- "Children are wonderful imitators. They will almost always turn out to be just like their parents in spite of our best efforts to teach them good manners."

... who they were modeling then they made the decision to mock Native Americans - or act like self-entitled jerks.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

If you have adults mimicking the rhetoric and alt-right talking points, why wouldn't we expect their kids to not do it?

A little follow-up:

MAGA hat boy's mother blames 'black Muslims' after son harasses Native American man

Not surprising...like I touched on before, this stuff starts at home.

This new sense of quasi-bigoted entitlement "Trump's (our guy) is president, this country is "ours" again like the good ol days" is becoming more pervasive - There were a sizable number of Americans who equated equality measures with "attacks on us", and didn't take kindly to the idea that, "White Christians aren't going to get to remain on the top of the social pecking order and dictate the rules to everyone else"

In a nutshell, some people don't deal well with the loss of preferential treatment.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

... who they were modeling then they made the decision to mock Native Americans - or act like self-entitled jerks.

I'd guess the same person/people this lady was modeling when she said she hates people because they're Mexican, and that it's because she thinks "Mexicans are rapists and drug dealers"

 

[archer75]

If you have adults mimicking the rhetoric and alt-right talking points, why wouldn't we expect their kids to not do it?


Not surprising...like I touched on before, this stuff starts at home.

This new sense of quasi-bigoted entitlement "Trump's (our guy) is president, this country is "ours" again like the good ol days" is becoming more pervasive - There were a sizable number of Americans who equated equality measures with "attacks on us", and didn't take kindly to the idea that, "White Christians aren't going to get to remain on the top of the social pecking order and dictate the rules to everyone else"

In a nutshell, some people don't deal well with the loss of preferential treatment.

And they are not getting preferential treatment under Trump - they are being treated as so much nothing. But they do get this opportunity to act out.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

A little follow-up:

MAGA hat boy's mother blames 'black Muslims' after son harasses Native American man

The mother can blame whoever she wants to, but racism is taught at home. Children aren't born racist. They are taught to be racist and they will demonstrate that behavior themselves.

 

[archer75]

The mother can blame whoever she wants to, but racism is taught at home. Children aren't born racist. They are taught to be racist and they will demonstrate that behavior themselves.

Maybe black Muslims taught her the racism?

 

[Kenny'sID]

Sure, disregard any documented evidence that Trump has exhibited racist behavior toward Native Americans and other minorities to continue such unwavering support of him. It's not like he has repeatedly used the name of a Native American girl to slander a political opponent or that he used a horrific massacre where an estimated 300 hundred Lakota were slaughtered in cold blood to slander the same political opponent or that he and his father were sued by the U.S. government for housing discrimination against black people. And hey, look at Trump's African-American standing over there!

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Pretty sure I made my point clear. and it remains the same.

If you choose not to address this particular point, and instead attempt to confuse the issue with more of what the OP just did, as in basically stating trump condoned this action without validating the fact, that's completely up to you.

Just curious, did you look into a single one of those accusations you brought up, or did you simply search them out, grab them, and post them without giving it a second thought? I'd guess the latter, at least for the most part, which would be par for the course on a thread like this..

Newsflash... people lie about Trump...a lot.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Pretty sure I made my point clear. and it remains the same.

If you choose not to address this particular point, and instead attempt to confuse the issue with more of what the OP just did, as in basically stating trump condoned this action without validating the fact, that's completely up to you.

Just curious, did you look into a single one of those accusations you brought up, or did you simply search them out, grab them, and post them without giving it a second thought? I'd guess the latter, at least for the most part, which would be par for the course on a thread like this..

Newsflash... people lie about Trump...a lot.

I reviewed the articles because that's what an informed person does. I also provided specific examples of Trump's behavior, as well as several articles of substantiated documented history of his behavior.

(1) He has repeatedly used the name of Pocahontas to insult and slander Elizabeth Warren.

(2) He recently used the Wounded Knee Massacre, where an estimated 300 hundred Lakota Sioux were slaughtered in cold blood to continue his verbal attacks against Elizabeth Warren.

(3) He and his father were sued by the government for housing discrimination against black people.

(4) He pointed to an African-American man at a rally and said, "Look at my African-African over here!"

All of the examples I provided of his behavior isn't made up to slander him and to lie about him.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Of course, I reviewed the articles I posted. That's what an informed person does.

Looked into them as in, did you verify them all fact? That's what a truthful/informed person does before they post them as such. Especially when we all know perfectly well people have a great tendency to lie about Trump.