Two women indicted on hate crime charges over viral video showing attack on 7-year-old wearing MAGA hat

[Valletta]

Plenty of people are already in jail. There's been two in the last 90 days. 3 yrs. and 4 yrs. in prison.

Not a one ex-president has been criminally charged under the Presidential Records Act.

 

[Hank77]

Not a one ex-president has been criminally charged under the Presidential Records Act.

What are you talking about? Trump isn't charged with anything under the Presidential Records Act.

 

[Valletta]

What are you talking about? Trump isn't charged with anything under the Presidential Records Act.

The applicable law regarding the retention of presidential records is the Presidential Records Act. The charges are not supported by the law nor our Constitution. Trump is being attacked because he is the primary opponent of President Biden in the next election. Those who are involved in the fabricated charges should face prosecution.

 

[Truth7t7]

Not a one ex-president has been criminally charged under the Presidential Records Act.

You mean Biden and his 185 boxes of classified info, stored in his garage and a China town storage facility, and Biden gets off Scott Free?

It's not double standards, it's quadruple standards, we know well it's all about get Trump at any cost, stop his bid for the 2024 presedential election, no secret

One thing is a fact, they really hate Donald J. Trump with a passion

Trump 2024, Make America Great Again

 

[Pommer]

You mean Biden and his 185 boxes of classified info, stored in his garage and a China town storage facility, and Biden gets off Scott Free?

It's not double standards, it's quadruple standards, we know well it's all about get Trump at any cost, stop his bid for the 2024 presedential election, no secret

One thing is a fact, they really hate Donald J. Trump with a passion

Trump 2024, Make America Great Again

Art thou implying that Donald Trump is the victim of “the deep state”?

 

[Truth7t7]

Art thou implying that Donald Trump is the victim of “the deep state”?

The implication is that there is injustice, two sets of rules and standards

Yes Donald J. Trump isn't on the inside team, he's on the outside fighting for the common man

 

[A2SG]

The implication is that there is injustice, two sets of rules and standards

Yes Donald J. Trump isn't on the inside team, he's on the outside fighting for the common man

-- A2SG, nothing I can say here.....

 

[essentialsaltes]

The documents a president decides to keep are covered under the Presidential Records Act.

Bzzzt. The Presidential Records Act says that the records of a presidential administration belong to We The People and must be given to We The People. Trump's personal doodles (exempting non-personal things like his hurricane forecast) may be exempt, but classified documents do not belong to him, the belong to the American people.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Not a one ex-president has been criminally charged under the Presidential Records Act.

Maybe so, but that's why the example I shared involved the Espionage Act, the same law under which the ex-president has been charged.

Defendant Kept Hundreds of National Defense Documents at Her Home in Violation of the Espionage Act

 

[Truth7t7]

View attachment 333236
-- A2SG, nothing I can say here.....

ROFL on Joe Biden, the great American giveaway, China's pawn

A Few accomplishments of Donald J. Trump 2017-2020, while being drug through the mud on the false Russia Hoax

If that's ROFL below give me more!

1. lowest unemployment
2. highest family income
3. lowest taxes
4. Highest stock market and retirement portfolios
5. trade tariffs on China bringing jobs home
6. closed border stay in Mexico policy
7. Renegotiated NAFTA stopping the Mexico/Canada ripoff
8. Filled America's strategic oil reserves with basically free oil during the glut
9. Required NATO to pay their fair share, stopping the ripoff
10. Stopped USA foreign aid to hostile nations
11. Low gasoline prices at the pump
12. Lowest interest rates, prompted expansion and growth in the country

On and On

 

[Truth7t7]

Maybe so, but that's why the example I shared involved the Espionage Act, the same law under which the ex-president has been charged.

Defendant Kept Hundreds of National Defense Documents at Her Home in Violation of the Espionage Act

I Agree 100%

Hillary Clinton maintained "Top Secret" information at her home in violation of the espionage act

Hillary obstructed justice by destroying 5 of ger blackberry phones and bleach bit her home computer where classified info was stored, all this is in the congressional record as given by FBI director James Comey under sworn testimony

Where is Hillary today not charged or prosecuted for her multiple crimes, she's laughing at the common American that would have been buried under the prison cell if they had done the same

They spell Justice in a different way (Just4us) as they laugh behind the common man's back

 

[Hank77]

The applicable law regarding the retention of presidential records is the Presidential Records Act. The charges are not supported by the law nor our Constitution. Trump is being attacked because he is the primary opponent of President Biden in the next election. Those who are involved in the fabricated charges should face prosecution.

That's what I thought you were going to say. Even under the Presidential Records Act he couldn't legally take and keep the documents that he did. They belong to the people, not the President, no matter who he is.

 

[SimplyMe]

The documents a president decides to keep are covered under the Presidential Records Act.

No, they aren't. The Presidential Records Act (PRA) requires a president to turn all Presidential Records into the National Archives when he leaves the White House (not a week later and not 2 years later) -- it does not allow a former President to keep any. What you are confused about is that it allows him to keep personal documents. Yes, President Clinton did go to court to keep the "sock" tapes -- notice he went to court and got a court order to get them recognized as personal documents.

With former Pres. Trump, he clearly kept Presidential records -- NARA had a list of the documents they wanted to return. Now, as you also might try to tell me is that the PRA does not have any penalties for breaking the law, and that is true. However, it does say that it can use the DoJ to enforce the law; which when they couldn't get Trump to turn over documents that should have been sent to them prior to Trump leaving the White House, is what NARA did.

The DoJ, after trying to work with Trump and his lawyers for a few months, went to court to require Pres. Trump to return the documents. He didn't go to court, as former Pres. Clinton did, to claim they were personal records -- Trump has never claimed they are "personal," only that they are "his" and never in court. Allegedly, Pres. Trump actively worked to hide the documents from his own lawyers (so they would report all documents had been returned) as well as from the FBI (by moving them to New Jersey). As such, he was in violation of a court order (a crime) and, by keeping many of the documents he appears guilty of other crimes, such as the Espionage act. We'll see what the court ends up ruling.

So, yes, the documents are covered under the Presidential Records Act but that law merely states that former Pres. Trump was required to turn in the documents to NARA when he left office -- it does not give him the right to keep him. Even Trump doesn't believe it does, which is why he has never used that argument in court, particularly in response to a court order to turn the documents over to the government.

 

[SimplyMe]

You mean Biden and his 185 boxes of classified info,

No, Biden had about a dozen actual classified documents.

stored in his garage and a China town storage facility,

A Chinatown storage facility? Trump is the only one I know where Classified Records were found in a storage facility (about a month after the FBI executed the search warrant). I suspect you meant Penn University, where President Biden was closing out an office.

and Biden gets off Scott Free?

It's not double standards, it's quadruple standards, we know well it's all about get Trump at any cost, stop his bid for the 2024 presedential election, no secret

One thing is a fact, they really hate Donald J. Trump with a passion

Trump 2024, Make America Great Again

You'd have to show that Biden was guilty of breaking the law -- in this case, that he knew that the dozen documents were included in boxes in his Penn office and in a storage room/library in his garage. We'll see what the Special Prosecutor finds (so Biden isn't off "scot-free."

The implication is that there is injustice, two sets of rules and standards

Yes Donald J. Trump isn't on the inside team, he's on the outside fighting for the common man

Nope, just Trump convincing people how "persecuted" he is, after he attempted actions that would have landed me in Leavenworth (or a similar military prison) for years.

 

[Truth7t7]

No, they aren't. The Presidential Records Act (PRA) requires a president to turn all Presidential Records into the National Archives when he leaves the White House (not a week later and not 2 years later) -- it does not allow a former President to keep any.

Where does that put Joe Biden with 185 boxes of classified records stored in his garage and "Top Secret" in his private office?

BBC​

Top secret documents reportedly found in Biden cache​

Jan 14, 2023

Classified files recovered from US President Joe Biden's former private office reportedly include some material marked top secret.

Papers with the highest classification level were among about 10 files at a think tank bearing his name, according to the BBC's US partner CBS News.
Fewer than 10 classified documents were found at one of his Delaware homes, but none were top secret, says CBS.
A leak of top secret information could cause "exceptionally grave damage".

In total, roughly 20 classified files were recovered between the two locations, reports CBS, citing a federal law enforcement official familiar with the investigation.

The papers only began to come to light in news reports last Monday, but the first batch was found at Mr Biden's former institute, the Penn Biden Center in Washington DC, back in November.
That was days before the midterm elections, which saw Republicans narrowly win control of the US House of Representatives.

On Thursday it emerged that a second cache of files had been found on 20 December by Biden aides in a garage and adjacent room at his private home in Wilmington, Delaware.

On Friday, as he hosted Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida at the White House, Mr Biden ignored questions from journalists about the growing controversy.
A day earlier, Mr Biden - who has previously described his predecessor Donald Trump's alleged mishandling of classified material as "totally irresponsible" - told reporters the documents were found locked in a garage next to his 1960s Chevrolet Corvette sports car.

 

[SimplyMe]

I Agree 100%

Hillary Clinton maintained "Top Secret" information at her home in violation of the espionage act

What made it a violation of the espionage act? She was the Secretary of State and, as such, was allowed to have classified information (to include Top Secret) in her home. It only would have violated the espionage act if she had kept it after she left office -- which, as you point out, she did not.

Hillary obstructed justice by destroying 5 of ger blackberry phones

Not according to what was reported, not to mention the fact that information is typically not "stored" (long term storage) on phones, but rather accessed from databases and servers. Additionally, if you look it up, when a phone would "break" (quit working well) she would replace it and, as regulations tend to require for phones that can access Classified information, she destroyed the old phone once the new one was working. To the best of my knowledge, from the evidence that has been shown, none of the phone were destroyed when there was a subpoena, meaning there could be no obstruction.

and bleach bit her home computer where classified info was stored, all this is in the congressional record as given by FBI director James Comey under sworn testimony

No, it was not her home computer -- not to mention the fact you are conflating two issues. First, 30,000 emails were deleted off of her email server after Congress (not law enforcement) had subpoenaed her emails. Per Congressional testimony, the administrator that ran her email server had been ordered, months before, to delete those emails (as they were personal in nature) -- months before the emails had been subpoenaed. The issue is, the administrator had not deleted them when requested and, around the time the subpoena was issued, he finally remembered to delete them -- this is per Congressional testimony. So any "obstruction of justice" for deleting the emails, per the testimony available, would only convict the system admin. If you have evidence that Hillary ordered it and obstructed justice, you should give it to Congress and the FBI; I'm sure they'd be interested in that evidence.

The "bleach bit" was done when Hillary left office, as regulations require; but a copy was made before they were destroyed that was given to the State Department, as an archive copy (again, as required). If she had not "bleached" her computer, then you'd have an argument about her breaking the Espionage Act. Instead, she did what she was supposed to do under State Department regulations and ensuring she did not keep any information she was no longer authorized to have (again, what could get her charged with Espionage Act violations).

Where is Hillary today not charged or prosecuted for her multiple crimes, she's laughing at the common American that would have been buried under the prison cell if they had done the same

They spell Justice in a different way (Just4us) as they laugh behind the common man's back

So, no, there were no "multiple crimes" to charge Hillary. You can argue that there was the one charge that could have been brought but, as was pointed out by FBI director Comey, it would have been difficult to get a conviction as the "intent" would have been impossible to prove.

 

[SimplyMe]

Where does that put Joe Biden with 185 boxes of classified records stored in his garage and "Top Secret" in his private office?

BBC​

Top secret documents reportedly found in Biden cache​

Jan 14, 2023

Classified files recovered from US President Joe Biden's former private office reportedly include some material marked top secret.

Papers with the highest classification level were among about 10 files at a think tank bearing his name, according to the BBC's US partner CBS News.
Fewer than 10 classified documents were found at one of his Delaware homes, but none were top secret, says CBS.
A leak of top secret information could cause "exceptionally grave damage".

In total, roughly 20 classified files were recovered between the two locations, reports CBS, citing a federal law enforcement official familiar with the investigation.

The papers only began to come to light in news reports last Monday, but the first batch was found at Mr Biden's former institute, the Penn Biden Center in Washington DC, back in November.
That was days before the midterm elections, which saw Republicans narrowly win control of the US House of Representatives.

On Thursday it emerged that a second cache of files had been found on 20 December by Biden aides in a garage and adjacent room at his private home in Wilmington, Delaware.

On Friday, as he hosted Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida at the White House, Mr Biden ignored questions from journalists about the growing controversy.
A day earlier, Mr Biden - who has previously described his predecessor Donald Trump's alleged mishandling of classified material as "totally irresponsible" - told reporters the documents were found locked in a garage next to his 1960s Chevrolet Corvette sports car.

I've corrected you once but, since you appear to not believe me, please provide your evidence that Biden had 185 boxes of Classified documents. Per Wikipedia (and sourced from the New York Times, AP, and CTV news), Biden had 25 to 30 classified documents -- less than a box worth (and likely less than a tenth of a box) and far less than 185 boxes of them.

And, since the President and Vice President's offices are packed by staffers while (typically, though not Trump) they are attending the inauguration of the new President, you need evidence that Biden knew he had the documents in his storage and that he did not think they were personal records he had every right to keep.

 

[Truth7t7]

What made it a violation of the espionage act? She was the Secretary of State and, as such, was allowed to have classified information (to include Top Secret) in her home. It only would have violated the espionage act if she had kept it after she left office -- which, as you point out, she did not.



Not according to what was reported, not to mention the fact that information is typically not "stored" (long term storage) on phones, but rather accessed from databases and servers. Additionally, if you look it up, when a phone would "break" (quit working well) she would replace it and, as regulations tend to require for phones that can access Classified information, she destroyed the old phone once the new one was working. To the best of my knowledge, from the evidence that has been shown, none of the phone were destroyed when there was a subpoena, meaning there could be no obstruction.



No, it was not her home computer -- not to mention the fact you are conflating two issues. First, 30,000 emails were deleted off of her email server after Congress (not law enforcement) had subpoenaed her emails. Per Congressional testimony, the administrator that ran her email server had been ordered, months before, to delete those emails (as they were personal in nature) -- months before the emails had been subpoenaed. The issue is, the administrator had not deleted them when requested and, around the time the subpoena was issued, he finally remembered to delete them -- this is per Congressional testimony. So any "obstruction of justice" for deleting the emails, per the testimony available, would only convict the system admin. If you have evidence that Hillary ordered it and obstructed justice, you should give it to Congress and the FBI; I'm sure they'd be interested in that evidence.

The "bleach bit" was done when Hillary left office, as regulations require; but a copy was made before they were destroyed that was given to the State Department, as an archive copy (again, as required). If she had not "bleached" her computer, then you'd have an argument about her breaking the Espionage Act. Instead, she did what she was supposed to do under State Department regulations and ensuring she did not keep any information she was no longer authorized to have (again, what could get her charged with Espionage Act violations).



So, no, there were no "multiple crimes" to charge Hillary. You can argue that there was the one charge that could have been brought but, as was pointed out by FBI director Comey, it would have been difficult to get a conviction as the "intent" would have been impossible to prove.

FBI.GOV NEWS​

Statement by FBI Director James B. Comey on the Investigation of Secretary Hillary Clinton’s Use of a Personal E-Mail System​

From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification.

For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. In addition to this highly sensitive information, we also found information that was properly classified as Secret by the U.S. Intelligence Community at the time it was discussed on e-mail (that is, excluding the later “up-classified” e-mails).

None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at Departments and Agencies of the U.S. Government—or even with a commercial service like Gmail.

We also assess that Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail account.

 

[Truth7t7]

you need evidence that Biden knew he had the documents in his storage and that he did not think they were personal records he had every right to keep.

Joe Biden doesn't know what day it is or where he's at half the time, he's even quoted Obama as being the president after his own inaguration, your asking for a whole bunch there

A Biden defense of "Mental Incompetence" is a guaranteed get out of jail free ticket!

"Biden Knew" Real Big Smiles!

 

[SimplyMe]

FBI.GOV NEWS​

Statement by FBI Director James B. Comey on the Investigation of Secretary Hillary Clinton’s Use of a Personal E-Mail System​

From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification.

For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. In addition to this highly sensitive information, we also found information that was properly classified as Secret by the U.S. Intelligence Community at the time it was discussed on e-mail (that is, excluding the later “up-classified” e-mails).

None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at Departments and Agencies of the U.S. Government—or even with a commercial service like Gmail.

We also assess that Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail account.

Not sure what this wall of text is supposed to be claiming. Yes, she had Classified Information while she was Secretary of State. I'll agree that she should not have kept a personal email server, as her predecessors also did. Which makes it even odder why Republicans keep claiming Hillary should be prosecuted, and it is some type of double standard that she wasn't -- and yet the State Department also found that Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell both also had classified (including Top Secret) information on their personal servers but no one is saying they should be locked up.

What this does not show is that she broke the Espionage Act, since the Classified information listed was a part of her job and not illegally retained. In fact, the fact that the FBI had to get the emails from the State Department reinforces what I stated -- that Hillary (as you have pointed out) destroyed her server when she left office but only after she provided a copy (for archive purposes) to the State Department.